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Fwd: [B7L] Vila and Bilbo
by Sally Manton 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

Andrew Williams wrote: <The continuity in B7 is masterful compared with the Holmes canon.> and the Holmes canon was only from one writer ... hmmm, maybe we *wouldn't* have been better off glitch-wise had there been less authorial fingers in the pot :-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Sherlock Holmes
by Andrew Williams 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

Betty wrote: >Except that Holmes, poor guy, really only functions >properly in his own time and place. Take him out of Victorian London >and stick him on the Liberator, and his encyclopedic knowledge of >tobacco ashes has just become useless. There was a reasonably good movie (Return of S.H?) in which Holmes is revived by Watson's grand daughter after he had cryogenically frozen himself to avoid dying from the bubonic plague. Various adventures follow, but the point is made that Holmes' powers are limited - in one scene he deduces that the murder note must have been brought from nearby as the paper had not been folded (as you would if putting it in a pocket); it turns out that he is scrutinising a fax copy. To bring it back to B7... Sir Arthur Conan Doyle attended a dinner with the editor of Lippincotts magazine, and Oscar Wilde was also there, and was commissioned to write The Picture of Dorian Gray. So when I wrote a B7-Sherlock Holmes crossover many years ago, I had Avon attending the dinner with Watson and narrating the events of 'Rescue' (in a veiled manner) to Wilde. Thus Wilde borrowed the story from B7 and not the other way around. To further confound matters, Avon had arrived in London in the 1890s by using a mysterious macguffin found at Xenon base - which Dorian had preset to that era in order to find out why Wilde was writing stories about him. You will be relieved to know that this story (Previous Recursions) has been hidden in a box for about 9 years and has never been published!

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RE: [B7L] Sherlock Holmes on the Liberator
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

sjk3(a)cornell.edu wrote: >On Tue, 9 Oct 2001 jacquispeel(a)netscape.net wrote: > >> I was taking the B7 character 'most like' Sherlock Holmes. >> Imagine 'half a dozen detectives on the Liberator' crossover - Holmes, >> Poirot, Miss Marples, Columbo etc (I know that 'several skits' have been >> done about the detectives, but this might be amusing) >> >> Jacqui > > > "Murder by Death" in space! > >Sandra Kisner >sjk3(a)cornell.edu > And what would Orac say about the Poirot's 'little grey cells' as compared to Tarriell Cells? Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: Re: Fwd: [B7L] Vila and Bilbo
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 11 Oct '01

11 Oct '01

Betty Ragan <ragan(a)sdc.org> wrote: >jacquispeel(a)netscape.net wrote: > >> I was taking the B7 character [Avon] 'most like' Sherlock Holmes. > >I suppose he is, but both Holmes and Avon are unique enough people that >that's not saying a whole lot... Their main point of similarity seems >to be that they're both intellectual types who tend to mistrust messy >emotional stuff. And there's the arrogance, of course. But beyond >that, I don't think their personalities are all that similar. For one >thing, Holmes has a strong sense of social justice, and Avon, well, >doesn't. In fact, he's just the sort of person Holmes would be trying >to put behind bars... Plus, I can't see Avon carving Servalan's >intitials into his cabin wall with a Liberator handgun, or Holmes trying >to throw Watson off an, um, sinking ship... > >> Imagine Holmes, Poirot et al ending up on the Liberator.... > >Could be fun! Except that Holmes, poor guy, really only functions >properly in his own time and place. Take him out of Victorian London >and stick him on the Liberator, and his encyclopedic knowledge of >tobacco ashes has just become useless. > >-- >Betty Ragan ** ragan(a)sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ >"Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always >pays off now." -- an "anti-inspirational" poster > Considering some of the things the Liberator/Scorpio crew come across - and what about the Sarcophagus-egg-dust? Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: [B7L] Vargas and Meegat
by Ellynne G. 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 16:44:16 -0400 jacquispeel(a)netscape.net writes: > As my recent 'compare and contrast' question was read in a different > (& amusing) way to that which I presented it - any other 'role > reversals' on offer? How about Jarriere instead of Shrinker? Jarriere enters Jarriere: They tell me you haven't been cooperating [pulls out small, pen sized device] Avon: No, I haven't [eyes device]. Let me guess, that's a small laser probe. You're going to threaten to burn my eyes out if I don't tell you what I want to know. Jarriere: What, this? It's my emergency flashlight. I don't know if you've noticed, but the lighting is terrible in here. Avon: And you like to see your victim's face clearly? Jarriere: No, I like to be able to read from this little book, here. You see, I'm the morale officer. They send me in when people are feeling down. A happy prisoner is a cooperative prisoner, that's my motto. Avon [beginning to look worried]: I'm not sure I understand. Jarriere: Oh, it's simple, really. We can just chat. For example, you look like an intelligent fellow. You can explain any basic scientific concepts you want to, and I'll try to follow along. Although I warn you, you may need to explain them several times. Even dozens. I'm still trying to understand this one about motion, for example. I've got the part about 'every action' but I'm still trying to make sense of this 'equal and opposite reaction' part. How equal are they? Did the Ratings Testing Center know about this? And opposite to what? And how can opposite be equal? I mean, a Delta's the opposite of an Alpha, and they're not equal, are they? And how can a reaction be opposite? Isn't that redundant? Or is that a double negative? Then it would just mean that for every action there's another action just like it happening the same way, and we know that isn't the way it works. Imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery, but Servalan would shoot anyone who tried to do things just like her. Have you noticed she never wears the same dress twice? Avon [beginning to look panicked at all this cheery chatter and trying to change the subject]: What did you say that book was? Jarriere: This? It's an epic work of poetry I've been translating - I'm a linguistic genius, don't you know - Here, let me read you some. "There was a young sailor from Ithaca Who found leaving Troy was quite trickia He sailed for ten years In very slow gears Till his whining made Olympus quite sickia. "Let me read you the next three thousand verses- Avon: AAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!! Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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RE: Fwd: RE: Fwd: [B7L] Vila and Bilbo
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

"Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Jacqui wrote: ><Would Avon be Sherlock Holmes (minus the seven percent solution)?> > >He might like to think he was (Mission to Destiny - one of the things I like >about that one is he's clearly having so much fun *right* up until the >moment they find the homing device and realise that this Cluedo game can get >them killed) but he really isn't *that* logical and reasonable, poor dear. > I was taking the B7 character 'most like' Sherlock Holmes. Imagine 'half a dozen detectives on the Liberator' crossover - Holmes, Poirot, Miss Marples, Columbo etc (I know that 'several skits' have been done about the detectives, but this might be amusing) Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: [B7L] Blakes 7 and Sherlock Holmes
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

sjk3(a)cornell.edu wrote: >> Actually, I think the Holmes/ Watson analogy breaks >> down given that it is not, at any point, recorded that >> Holmes snogged Moriarty or flung Watson off the >> Reichenbach Falls. >> >> Stephen > > Aside from the fact that it was Moriarty who went over the Falls, >remember that little bit in Orbit.... Would that make Vila the Watson >character? > >Sandra Kisner >sjk3(a)cornell.edu Would Moriarty be Travis then? And Servalan Irene Adler (or whatever her name was - the one with the compromising picture)? > __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: Fwd: [B7L] Vila and Bilbo
by Betty Ragan 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

jacquispeel(a)netscape.net wrote: > I was taking the B7 character [Avon] 'most like' Sherlock Holmes. I suppose he is, but both Holmes and Avon are unique enough people that that's not saying a whole lot... Their main point of similarity seems to be that they're both intellectual types who tend to mistrust messy emotional stuff. And there's the arrogance, of course. But beyond that, I don't think their personalities are all that similar. For one thing, Holmes has a strong sense of social justice, and Avon, well, doesn't. In fact, he's just the sort of person Holmes would be trying to put behind bars... Plus, I can't see Avon carving Servalan's intitials into his cabin wall with a Liberator handgun, or Holmes trying to throw Watson off an, um, sinking ship... > Imagine Holmes, Poirot et al ending up on the Liberator.... Could be fun! Except that Holmes, poor guy, really only functions properly in his own time and place. Take him out of Victorian London and stick him on the Liberator, and his encyclopedic knowledge of tobacco ashes has just become useless. -- Betty Ragan ** ragan(a)sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ "Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." -- an "anti-inspirational" poster

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Vila and Bilbo
by Andrew Williams 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

Dana: >Actually, I think the difference is that Watson catalogues >large areas that Holmes knows absolutely nothing about, But the list Watson makes in 'A Study in Scarlet' is frequently contradicted by later stories. The continuity in B7 is masterful compared with the Holmes canon.

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avatars
by Julia Jones 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

The list on Judith's site is at http://hermit.org/blakes7/Merchant/Books/Avatars.html -- Julia Jones "Science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. It is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - The Science of Discworld

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