Blakes7 October 2001

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RE: [B7L] Character Change & Development - mostly Vila
by Sally Manton 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

After I wrote: <Can't say I recall how many times Vila got hit on the head. Anyone done an actual head-count?> Nico answered: <Up to the end of season 3, 11 times.> Hell, I *really* wasn't watching :-) I knew he got injured a fair few times (they all did, of course) but I can't even *place* many times he was actually hit on the head :-) It really must come down to who looks nicer (sorry to the anti-Beautiful-Suffering contingent, and sorry to the Vila lovers :-)) I know Avon gets knocked unconscious 10 times that I recall (Breakdown, Terminal, Aftermath, Powerplay, Assassin, Headhunter, Warlord, and - as stated - three times in Power), and is injured in other ways in The Web, Hostage, Volcano, Rumours and Moloch (and Ultraworld, if you add in having his brain removed, which I'm pretty sure he would). And - as also mentioned - most of this all happens in S3-4. No wonder the poor man wants Blake back :-) <Avon has become much colder and withdrawn (poss. due to the loss of Cally and the Liberator).> And Anna, and being told Blake was really dead. And getting stuck on a hole in the galaxy (Terminal) with no way out till the first 4th series McGuffin turns up (Dorian). His actions towards Dorian is the first sign that our already cold hero is heading into deep freeze. <His put-downs are now real insults rather than banter> Agreed - Assassin, "try using your fingers" - though just occasionally he seems to ease up - also Assassin, "my hero" and that grin. Actually, I think Vila is one of the most tragic characters in the series - basically such a nice, likeable, guy, but eventually abused to the point of misery, loneliness, and possible alcoholism.> Yes, but do be fair, Vila *is* nice and likeable and fun to listen to ... but just because Avon's self-centred streak is more visible, that doesn't make it worse than Vila's. Remember his criticising Jenna for not 'being nice' to Raiker, because it would make the latter more unpleasant to deal with? Vila is IMO the most selfish of the lot, there is *no one* he would put ahead of himself if push came to crunch (with Avon, there are IMO at least two people we know about, maybe three with Del Grant) and genuinely cowardly: he does, several times and quite sincerely, argue for deserting one or more of the others in a crisis. He was genuinely ready to ditch Blake - whom he likes - in Trial, and then there's "Jenna ... let's run for it," in Star One. He's nice, *but* ... Vila is one of life's losers - even machinery like the teleport seems to be against him (Sarcophagus, Power). Maybe his real tragedy is that, like Blake, he doesn't really belong or fit in this time and place at all ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Sand and the Girl Next Door
by Jean Komatsu 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

>On 26 Oct 2001, Tanja Kinkel wrote: > > If Servie's Catwoman (though truly, Dayna would look better in the >costume), > >From: Iain Coleman <ijc(a)bas.ac.uk> >Heresy! > Oh, I don't know about that. Many people don't remember that there were two actresses who played TV's Catwoman villain. Everyone recalls Julie Newmar, who at six feet tall and voluptuous made quite an impression in a black catsuit, one that was only eclipsed twenty five years later by the incomparable Michelle Pfeiffer in the movie. However, the very first Catwoman was Eartha Kitt, the diminutive Afro-American jazz singer who was, from her yoga studies, one hell of a contortionist (she played one on the old Mission Impossible TV series as a guest star - yes, I am showing my age here). She was a feisty and independent woman who got quickly kicked out of Hollywood for not "fitting in" properly. She had considerable talent, but was very abrasive and had little patience with people she considered to be idiots. So Dayna actually makes a nice fit, a combination of the two TV actresses in both appearance and personality. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Sand and the Girl Next Door
by tony nolan 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

What about the tall Blonde suelen ? or Jena ? ( i know i spelt it wrong ) I wonder what Villa would look like in Drag ? tony At 10:00 PM 26/10/2001 +0000, you wrote: >After I wrote: ><If Servie's Catwoman (though truly, Dayna would look better in the costume),> > >Iain yelled ><Heresy!> > >No truly (I was only talking about the costume, really). I don't care for >either of them much, but one has to admit Dayna does have the most >beautiful figure of the actresses in the series. > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Sand and the Girl Next Door
by tony nolan 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

I think Dana was there for more reasons than to just make up the number of crew to 7. She was after a killing machine, and if i remember right, Avon and Dana - were the only two crew members to have sex ? tony

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Re: [B7L] Suipernovae tourism
by tony nolan 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

Hey What about hitch hikers guide - where on the end of the universe part, there was a resturant, where you could watch it tony At 11:19 PM 26/10/2001 +0100, you wrote: >From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> >Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit, Vila and Avon > > > > Had a background idea for a story - would supernovae become tourist events? > > They are, after all, visible over considerable distances, hundreds if not > > thousands of light years. The one that created the Crab Nebula - 5000 ly > > away - was visible from Earth for three months. The event itself could be > > under continuous observation, with a series of observation platforms > > progressively further away from the star in question. 400 ly from Earth, > > the 1604 supernova has yet to become visible. > > >It sounds like something that was mentioned in the first "Red Dwarf" novel >- the >ship on which Kryten was found was a "Star Destroyer" - it travelled through >space triggering supernovae; the stars were precisely selected so that the >explosions would be simultaneously visible from Earth and spell out the most >expensive advertising slogan ever. > >Wildean

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Sand and the Girl Next Door
by Sally Manton 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

Ian wrote: <Does one?> Well, this one did. Give me a break, I'm trying to find reasons for Dayna to exist at all, and she doesn't make it easy. Of course, I am more than willing to cede, however, hirsute alpha male that you are and I definitely ain't :-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Orbit, Vila and Avon
by Betty Ragan 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

Responding to me, Jacqui wrote: > >If you have a faster-than-light spaceship, it's no problem at all, as > >the radiation and debris from the supernova can't travel outward faster > >than the speed of light. (That's assuming you know the supernova is > >coming, of course...) > > Would make an 'interesting' story (of any SF flavour) (g). Hey, it would be "interesting" to see this kind of science done right by any SF TV show *ever*. (Though, I must say, _Andromeda_ at least makes a decent attempt at it much of the time.) -- Betty Ragan ** ragan(a)sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ "Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." -- an "anti-inspirational" poster

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Fwd: RE: Re: [B7L] Sand and the Girl Next Door (frivolousness warning)
by Sally Manton 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

Joanne: Oh no. I am not adding tights with undies worn over them to Tarrant's wardrobe, let alone to Avon's. No. No way.> and Jacqui: <Does it depend what sort of tights(g)?> Well if Joanne's imagining fishnet, the Other List is that-a-way -> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: Re: [B7L] Sand and the Girl Next Door (frivolousness warning)
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

"J MacQueen" <j_macqueen(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >>From: Angria(a)t-online.de (Tanja Kinkel) >>Come to think of it, Tarrant does have some similarity to Robin (I can just >>hear Avon refer to him as The Boy Wonder), while the jury is still out on >>Avon as Bruce Wayne... > >Oh no. I am not adding tights with undies worn over them to Tarrant's >wardrobe, let alone to Avon's. No. No way. > >Regards >Joanne >(off to wash her brain out with soap) > Does it depend what sort of tights(g)? Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Poor Vila - (Was Character Change and Development) - Long
by Leia Fee 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

Well is it any wonder the poor dab is a wreck by the end of the series? His luck all the way through is absolutely dismal. He's apparently been in and out of various types of penal institution his whole life and had his head fiddled with by the Federation all to try and stop him stealing. But what we see of him is that he's very very good at stealing - why did he keep getting caught? His luck has obviously always been just as bad as it is during the series. He's clearly not cut out to be a rebel, his reaction to killing the priest on CA and his reluctance to get involved with the attempted takeover of the London show that. But he finds himself caught up in it anyway. And of course once he's caught up in it he can't simply leave as the Federation would be after him instantly without the protection of the Liberator and they'd be unlikely to accept "But I didn't really want to" as an excuse. In general his bad luck shows up in his unfortunate teleport accidents... landing in puddles, halfway up rocks with his arm jammed, the wrong side of doors, in mid air. He's incredibly accident prone - He manages to smack himself in the head with a door, get thumped by Avon by mistake and get his fingers trodden on when he's hiding. That's without even considering all the times he gets deliberately roughed up and terrorized. *Everyone* on the crew has a go at him verbally right from the begining, even those who aren't usually too hard on him. And in s4 they all treat him with utter comtempt almost all the time. Tarrant's bullying in _City_ and _Moloch_ make me want to thump him, though in fairness Avon didn't exactly set a glowing example when Tarrant and Dayna joined the crew - with at least two snarky remarks at Vila's expense within minutes of them meeting him. And of course it's Vila who get packed off in a spacsuit in _Dawn of the Gods_ and sent down to fix the glycolene ballast thingaymy-whatsits in _Animals_ He complains about it of course but is just ignored or laughed at and ends up doing as he's told anyway. The just to make his life complete, Avon tries to shove him out an airlock. I think I'd probably want to go and get drunk too. Leia

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Blakes7 October 2001