Blakes7 November 2001

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Eclecticon pix
by Steve Rogerson 17 Nov '01

17 Nov '01

Some picture from Eclecticon are now up on my site (hit the link below my name and then hit convention pictures on the menu) The B7 Wobblevision pictures will be up as soon as we agree the captions. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: Why wasn't Sleer recognised? - Theme of Unknowingness.
by seven＠gaudaprime.com 17 Nov '01

17 Nov '01

Nicola wrote > I'm new to this list, so this has probably been covered before. If > so, please humour me. > I think one of the worst mistakes in B7 was to bring back Servalan in > the guise of Sleer (much as I enjoy Jacqueline Pearce's acting). (snipped portraits, viscasts, long hair) > And even if it had become the fashion to resemble > her (like the Diana craze years ago), it would be stupid to continue > to do so after she had fallen so far from favour that all her > colleagues were ruthlessly purged. David Here is a theory / hypothesis you might like to consider. There is a divide between those at the top and the group just below them. Reeve brings it out. from Sand Reeve: We never actually met but I was at one of those official receptions for good and faithful servants that you occasionally graced with your presence. Shrinker mentions a similar divide. from Rumours of Death Shrinker: The elite from Central didn't mix much with members of the interrogation division. When she fell from favour, those that did know her were purged. Tarrant: If the new boys don't spot you first. Servalan: I am dead, and anyone who was ever directly involved with me has been purged. Many of those who knew her by sight were included in the purges. She did some of the purging herself. from Traitor Leitz: After all, how many people have you killed to conceal your secret? Servalan: You mean now? Twenty-six. So far. There is also a convincing story explaining her fate, which story would go a long way to disarming potential embarassments. Leitz: Servalan? Is Your Excellency certain? Proctor: Of course. I knew her well; killed in the rear-guard action at Gedden. Leitz: I knew she was reported dead, sir. I never heard any details. Servalan would know how to spread such a cover-story because she has done it before. from Hostage Travis: Are you and I still enemies? Servalan: Officially, yes. Unofficially, you lead me to Blake whenever you can. If you help me get him I will see you officially listed as dead. There is no one as free as a dead man. Sleer, after this campaign, would not be recognised by anyone in the Upper Echelon. It would be in the group immediately below that she would be recognised, and so she was. In Warlord, Zukan would know of her twinness in his own eyes. He calls her simply Commissioner. The name Sleer is not mentioned but studiously avoided. Servalan's name is conspicuous by its absence. The motiff is rather well done in the episode, what with the confusion when Soolin claims to be another woman (ie. Zeeona). At the slave auction, Avon mentions Sleer's original identity but Verlis, the one in charge of the auction, doesn't even flinch at the name. from Assassin Avon: Servalan. Servalan: I think, if you don't mind, I would prefer my slave to address me as "mistress". When they teleport away from the auction, however, then she drops a glass. She already knew Servalan was Sleer. The blind Ardus is on thin ice when he encounters the Commissioner. from Animals Ardus: I am sorry. Why should you have known of it? Only six War Intelligence Officers and Servalan, our president, knew of it, if ever she was told. Servalan: Servalan? why do you mention Servalan? Ardus: No reason particularly. Servalan: No? Ardus: Simply she came into my mind. Servalan: Why did she come into your mind? Ardus: I, I cannot say, Commissioner. Later on he regrets saying this and compounds the problem. Academician Gerren recognises her, but whether Avon told him beforehand or not is not known. from Games Gerren: Belkov has milked this planet for twelve good years. Now he knows the game is up, he wants to use the crystals to buy survival. Avon: So he will do a deal. Tarrant: With Servalan? Gerren: He will certainly try. A member of the staff of one of the earlier presidents recognised her. from Gold Servalan: Load the gold and watch him. Keiller: I don't suppose I will get paid now, will I, Servalan? Egrorian recognised her. from Orbit Servalan: When I regain power, you will be well rewarded. I shall appoint you my Chief Minister for Science. Egrorian: Servalan, my steel queen, my empress, the only reward I crave is a place in your affections. Reeve recognised her. from Sand Servalan: Reeve, you apparently think this is a new, exciting experience for me. It isn't. I have confronted several maniacs with guns. Reeve: Oh, I am sure you have, Madam President. I am right aren't I, Servalan? Leitz recognised her. from Traitor Leitz: After all, somebody has to take Practor's place. You could use your influence, I am sure. And, of course, you would know that your secret would be safe with me, Servalan. Servalan: I am sure it would but I don't submit to blackmail. That leaves Rescue, Power, StarDrive, HeadHunter and Blake. Servalan was not present in these episodes (at least, the actress was not). > Anyone have any explanations? Apart from poor script-writing? David Blake doesn't know who he is anymore ("I can't really tell anymore"). Avon doesn't know who he is ("Of all things ... fool" - Rumours; "Psychopaths are as welcome as farmers were." - Blake). The victims of the Pylene Programme don't know who they are. The Federation doesn't know who it is (because Servalan doesn't know who she is). The Sleer theme is a key theme in the fourth series. Nicola > And why didn't Avon blow her cover? David As another poster said, he tried. Or perhaps he wants a definite enemy. DC

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RE: [B7L] Survivors
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

"Ellynne G." <rilliara(a)juno.com> wrote: >Let's see, silly ideas. > >Silly Idea #1 > >Slowly, as if in a dream, Avon looked up from Blake's blank, staring >eyes. He saw his . . . friends. Yes, he could admit that, now it was >too late. He saw his friends, lying dead around him. He saw the >Federation guards, their weapons pointed at him in a moment that seemed >to stretch on forever. > >So, it ended as he had always known it would from the very begining. He >smiled, raising his gun, and - > >"Barkley, turn off the holo-deck and get over to engineering." > >Silly Idea #2 > >Same as above only it's the Red Dwarf "Back to Reality" episode. They >wake up and find they've spent the last four years making a hash of the >most popular virtual reality computer game around. Avon discovers he's >really Dwayne Dibbly, etc. Finally, before they all get suicidal, Orac >and Slave get through to them. Pylene-50 is really a despair drug and >they're back in the first episode where it showed up. The rest of S4 was >an hallucination meant to make them suicidal. > >Silly Idea #3 > >All this time, they really were minor characters on the edge of a bigger >story. Just when all seems lost, Gollum falls into the pit of doom with >the one ring. Gandalf comes flying in to pick up Frodo and Sam and grabs >the other characters who happened to be lying around for the heck of it >(the Federation soldiers, being low level Sauron minions, turn tail and >run when the ring is destroyed). Avon is revealed as Boromir and >Faramir's geeky brother, Avomir (who was left out of the tales for a good >reason). Vila's a Hobbit. Orac's a palantir. Cally, despite having >evidently died in the pits of Moira (Terminal in some lower tongue or >other), shows up alive and well. Blake has difficulty adjusting to this >view of reality. > >Silly Idea #4 > >Avon ducked. The guards shot each other. > >Ellynne Silly idea no 5 - there is another, totally unrelated rebel by the name of Blake - #not# a clone, who set it all up. Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: [B7L] Re: *Happy* Anniversary?
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

Lisa Williams <lisa(a)eroicafans.org> wrote: >Kathryn Andersen wrote: > >>Oh, you mean "Afterlife" has already won the "most unlikely PGP" >>competition? > >Well, you must admit it'll take some beating. (Preferably with a heavy, >spiked instrument, but I digress.) > > - Lisa > A 'morning star' might be the most appropriate (Is this the book with the pseudo-Orac - from what I remember of the story it was 'slightly dire') Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #724 - 7 msgs
by M 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

Blake - a silly idea How about in Warlord they are all captured and placed in a VR machine. Ditto Blake is there, they are forced to relive the last scene again and again until they wake up 10 years later. The men with beards, very incongrous because the nails are the right length. And hey presto Blake: The Later Years M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Fwd: [B7L] Survivors
by Jean Komatsu 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

>From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara(a)juno.com> >Subject: [B7L] Survivors >Let's see, silly ideas. > >Silly Idea #4 >Avon ducked. The guards shot each other. > The best ideas are always the simplest. I vote for #4! After all, it's well known in sci-fi that people are always shooting big blaster-type guns at one another, and hardly any of the bolts/charges ever hit. When really, if you think about it, targeting should be computer-augmented and pretty darn automatic that if there's a large warm target anywhere in front of you, it's going to get hit. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Pressure Point
by Steve Rogerson 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

Just been watching Pressure Point and it occurred to me the title was rather odd. Anyone know why it was called that? Given their tendency to one-word titles, maybe "Control" would have been better; at least it would have related to the episode. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] *Happy* Anniversary?
by Ellynne G. 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:42:27 +1100 Tony Nolan <t.nolan(a)uts.edu.au> writes: > In the book, avon, villa & Tarrent survice, and play roles in the > book. Just a question I've had about this book since I read a summary. We all know Avon's supposed to have a brother of some sort out there, but the book (I understand) gave him a sister. Was there an explanation or do I want to know . . . ? > we know that Slave and Blake diffently died. Slave, being a machine, could always have a few new spark plugs added. As for Blake, while it is extremely difficult to be shot four times in the main body and not have anything vital hit, I understand there are precedents (and that's just namby-pamby, our era type medicine). As for Dayna, same argument on vital material and/or recovery. Also, it has been pointed out that Blake, not being nearly so trusting, might not have been letting Arlen run around his base with a real gun. Then, there's the favorite argument about this all being a set up by Avon and Blake to make a convincing show for the Federation (or others, I suppose) that they're dead. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Survivors
by Ellynne G. 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

Let's see, silly ideas. Silly Idea #1 Slowly, as if in a dream, Avon looked up from Blake's blank, staring eyes. He saw his . . . friends. Yes, he could admit that, now it was too late. He saw his friends, lying dead around him. He saw the Federation guards, their weapons pointed at him in a moment that seemed to stretch on forever. So, it ended as he had always known it would from the very begining. He smiled, raising his gun, and - "Barkley, turn off the holo-deck and get over to engineering." Silly Idea #2 Same as above only it's the Red Dwarf "Back to Reality" episode. They wake up and find they've spent the last four years making a hash of the most popular virtual reality computer game around. Avon discovers he's really Dwayne Dibbly, etc. Finally, before they all get suicidal, Orac and Slave get through to them. Pylene-50 is really a despair drug and they're back in the first episode where it showed up. The rest of S4 was an hallucination meant to make them suicidal. Silly Idea #3 All this time, they really were minor characters on the edge of a bigger story. Just when all seems lost, Gollum falls into the pit of doom with the one ring. Gandalf comes flying in to pick up Frodo and Sam and grabs the other characters who happened to be lying around for the heck of it (the Federation soldiers, being low level Sauron minions, turn tail and run when the ring is destroyed). Avon is revealed as Boromir and Faramir's geeky brother, Avomir (who was left out of the tales for a good reason). Vila's a Hobbit. Orac's a palantir. Cally, despite having evidently died in the pits of Moira (Terminal in some lower tongue or other), shows up alive and well. Blake has difficulty adjusting to this view of reality. Silly Idea #4 Avon ducked. The guards shot each other. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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RE: [B7L] *Happy* Anniversary?
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

Sally Manton wrote: > > ...on 21 > December, it will be the anniversary of the most vividly remembered, > endlessly argued over and utterly memorable episode of > Blake's 7: 'Blake'. > > Shouldn't we do something in memory? Hold a wake? Work out > once and for all > <veg> who made it through the shooting party? Have a 'most > creative or > unlikely PGP' competition? Or just weep into our virtual > glasses in salute? According to Paul Darrow, only Avon survived. Pity, as Michael Keating has been involved in cons and the two radio plays, and I'm sure he'd be pleased to do at least a guest spot in the film... I'd prefer to believe more survived than Avon. Dayna's probably dead; she looked it, and was the only one shot with Arlen's gun. The others all went down, but there was no blood; perhaps they were stunned. Or as Chris Boucher said in the Tony Attwood guide book, they went down in slow motion so it could always have been regarded as a drug-induced dream. He also said that he could have brought back any character whose actor wanted to be in a 5th season. Michael Keating also said in the same book that he thought Vila would have survived and got away, probably by stowing away on a ship and going to ground somewhere. Sorry, the book's at home so I'm quoting from memory. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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