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Re: [B7L] fanfic etiquette query...
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 11 Nov '01

11 Nov '01

<< I still think paper fanzines will go extinct as soon as some e-book reader gets widely accepted. >> Nah. Leah

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] fanfic etiquette query...
by Sally Manton 10 Nov '01

10 Nov '01

Kathryn wrote: <Did you ever notice the licences that go with E-books? You aren't even allowed to *lend* them to people! You aren't even allowed to assert your Fair Use rights and quote them! People have been threatened and jailed over the DCMA already. This is dire, dire, dire.> Well, until they sort that out, I can't see electronic books taking the place of the old-fashioned variety, can you? Half the joy of owning them in sharing them in one way or another ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Aristo
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 10 Nov '01

10 Nov '01

Zen says the seas of Aristo are acidic, but the cliffs 'appear to be' chalky - an interesting 'geological problem' (g). Or had the seas become acidified? As for Avon's and Blake's various comments about the date when the Ensors disappeared - Servalan said that rumours of Orac had been circulating for years. Perhaps Ensor the elder started constructing Orac some two twenty years before and 'surfaced in the relevant circles' then. Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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How Green Was My Valley--Gareth Thomas
by JEB31538＠cs.com 10 Nov '01

10 Nov '01

The good news is that my new PAL copy of How Green Was My Valley (Baker/Phillips/Thomas) is a good copy. There are slight little static lines in part 2 but nothing that ruins the watching. My first copy was bad so I returned it. The replacement copy was bad so I returned it. And now this second replacement copy is okay. Whew! I really do urge all Gareth Thomas fans to buy How Green Was My Valley ( labeled as 1975 mini-series --- or the Stanley Baker/Sian Phillips twinpack) because it really is a wonderful show and Gareth is simply great in it. However, whenever you get your PAL copy do be sure to check both tapes immediately to make sure that they are okay. There have been several people who have gotten bad tapes. How Green Was My Valley is available only in PAL currently and many major online UK sources carry it---such as Blackstar, Amazon.co.uk, and Choices Direct. Price should be in the 15 pounds range plus postage. I am hoping that the NTSC version will be available in 2002. I am planning on buying it because I have no clue how long my multi-standard VCR is going to last. Joyce

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Re:ebooks vs. paper
by Helen Krummenacker 09 Nov '01

09 Nov '01

I agree with Mistral. Giles of BtVS put it well when asked what he didn't like about computers "Their smell" "Computers don't smell." "Exactly" There's something about the crisp tactile sensation of paper in the hand, the smell of paper and ink. I can focus more deeply on a book than on a screen.

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RE: Re: [B7L] re: Dorian's room
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 09 Nov '01

09 Nov '01

"J MacQueen" <j_macqueen(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >>From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> >>This week, on Changing Rooms, Avon and Dorian.... > ><yelp> > ><hasty placement of virtual hands over mind's eye> > ><yelp again> > >Regards >Joanne >(scared now...) > > > Dorian wanted 'the group' to act as a gestalt - now what would happen if 'the group' decided to make use of Dorian's room as a joint property? And who would they put in it? Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: [B7L] re: Dorian's room
by Ellynne G. 09 Nov '01

09 Nov '01

On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 17:16:31 -0500 jacquispeel(a)netscape.net writes: > > Dorian wanted 'the group' to act as a gestalt - now what would > happen if 'the group' decided to make use of Dorian's room as a > joint property? > > And who would they put in it? > This is probably just me being warm and fuzzy and all, but I thought the mineral in the room was some kind of psychic amplifier or conductor (notice one of the two local civilizations-in-decay does have some psionic technology) and that the way Dorian used it was the result of both some minor (and possibly completely unnoticeable outside the cave) psionic ability and natural temperment - that he was already pretty heavily into using others (ran off with the money and framed his partners, never tipped, etc). After all, he's the kind of guy who goes spelunking, finds out his spelunking partner's in trouble, that this trouble benefits him, and essentially cuts the rope. Then, when those benefits stop coming, he lures somebody else in. This didn't seem so much going down the slippery slope as already having arrived. So, maybe if some of our merry band had tried, they would have found it worked in unexpected ways, assuming they had the talent to trigger it. Perhaps Vila would have suddenly learned the location of every bar anyone he brought in there knew about, that sort of thing. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: [B7L] fanfic etiquette query...
by Susan Beth 09 Nov '01

09 Nov '01

At 02:04 AM 11/9/2001 +0000, you wrote: >You can get e book readers now. The downside is that they are still >expensive (several hundred dollars Australian, so probably 100-200 pounds >sterling) and they aren't waterproof. I just hope everyone is saving >their stories when their zines go out of print (preferably to put in >Judith's library) so we have something to read when they're cheap and >bath-proof. I meant, you have to get a significant percentage of the potential readers to have bought ebooks (with compatible formats for the texts) before it's really practical for ebooks to supplant paper copies. At least 75%, maybe not until 90% have them. So long as a big part of your 'audience' needs paper, publishers will have to put out paper versions. Actually, there's a really cheap way to read ebooks already: PDAs. It doesn't take the latest and greatest -- if you just want to read text, then you don't need wireless internet connectivity, the 'expandibility' to also use the pda as a camera or telephone or music player or whatever, and you certainly don't need color or the added expense of WindowCE palmtop. Any old bottom-of-the line, even years obsolete PDA will do. (They aren't water-proof, though. Today the pits, tomorrow the wrinkles.) For example, I recently bought a refurbished PalmIIIxe from Palm for this very purpose. I installed several freeware text readers (so far I like CSpotRun best), got another freeware program that inputs text files and outputs the palm format 'doc' files that the readers want (not the same as MSWord .doc, btw) and Bingo! I have an ebook reader for a total investment of less than $80. (I chose the xe because it gave me four times the memory of the next step down for only about $10 more. Since the text files are so small, though, the 2meg memory one would actually have been fine.) Okay, the screen is less than spacious (Understatement alert going off madly) but the type is sharp enough to be easy to read (even in the dark, there's a screen backlight you can turn on when needed), and 'turning the page' takes just a tap on the screen, so who cares how many 'pages' there are in a story? What's really wonderful is just how many files you can haul around. I've got 73 story files waiting to be read, easily the equivalent of five or six zines worth of text since it includes two novels and a handful of stories that are novella-sized, and I still have almost half the memory space free and waiting for more. Am I in the mood for a Buffy/Spike romance? BUARA? Muncle gen? A murder mystery? A SF classic? I have several of each -- and lots, lots more --instantly available whenever and where ever I have spare moment to indulge. And all this on a gadget that weighs less (and is more easily stuffed in a purse) than a single zine. Than an ordinary paperback! Bliss. :-) (73? Yup. I've been going wild in various archives. It's just so easy: 1) use your browser to open a story 2) do a 'save as text'. Repeat these two steps for as many stories as you want. After you've done 'harvesting' for the day 3) open the converter and feed it the .txt files and then 4) hotsynch your PDA. The only 'problem' is finding enough time to read all the great stories I've collected. Oops. Speaking of time, I've got to get off the computer and start packing if I plan to get to ECon tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing many Lysters/Citizens there!

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A different bit of fanfic etiquette
by Susan Beth 09 Nov '01

09 Nov '01

I've just been updating my 'zines owned' list in anticipation of Eclecticon (and, really, I should have done this right from the beginning -- I have duplicate copies of several zines, and THREE copies of one) and it reminded me that the 'legality' of some of my collection is questionable. Not that I stole them or anything, just that after I actually saw what I'd bought from various 'second hand' sales and charitable fund raisers I wondered if they were created by/with the permission of the original publisher. Five types in particular I wonder about: 1) Two digest-sized zines (standalone novellas, one called 'Between Black and White', I forget the other title) that I think might be the 'bootlegged' stories from Horizon zines that Steve referred to. 2) I have a handful of zines that are clearly xerox copies. (Er, I mean second generation copies, since most zines these days *start* with xeroxed production.) Now, I know when zines used to be mainly offset printed some publishers would let fans make their own copies of a friend's copy, or even produce copies that way themselves, when the original printrun had sold out but there wasn't the demand to justify printing another lot of 100 copies. OTOH, with today's xeroxed zines, publishers can produce copies a handful at a time, and so the zine doesn't have to go out of print. Some of these copies say 'copied with permission' or have a rubber-stamped 'Authorized copy' on the title page -- but anyone can get rubber stamps made, right? 3) I have a few 'compilation' zines: someone xeroxed their favorite stories from multiple sources and bound them. A personal 'Greatest Hits' collection. 4) Related type: individual stories just stapled in a corner. Some of them clearly xeroxed from zines (with header or footer lines with titles & page numbers), others could just be printed fresh, from a web page for example. 5) Related type: masses of articles cut from/xeroxed from various SF/TV magazines. So. What should be done with these zines/stories if I decide I don't want to keep them any longer? Should they all be destroyed, since I can't know for sure they are 'authorized' copies? Can I say, I bought them, therefore it's okay to sell them? Would giving them away be okay, but selling not? Are the answers the same for all five types? Opinions? Susan Beth susanbeth33(a)mindspring.com

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re: Dorian's room
by J MacQueen 09 Nov '01

09 Nov '01

>From: "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> >And somewhere down that slope they 'need' someone when they have only each >other to chose from ..? I think we've gone quite neatly from Changing Rooms to The Weakest Link now... Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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