Blakes7 February 2001

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Re: [B7L] Redemption travel plans
by Harriet Monkhouse 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Morrigan asked: >Does Victoria Station have lockers or a place > where one can check bags? Yes. There's a bank of lockers off one of the big foyer areas. If you're coming on the Gatwick Express, let's think, that will arrive at a platform off the bigger foyer. You make your way forwards across this, moving diagonally to your right, through to the other sort of foyer, and turn sharp right to see the locker area, which is up a ramp. I think there are signs to it. There's some complicated system with tickets and codes, but I've always managed to get it to open eventually. They have several sizes of locker. They might close it if there's a bomb scare. With luck, someone else will explain this in a more coherent manner. Harriet (Powder Puff fancier)

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/15/01 3:33:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << We might be talking at cross-purposes here. The forces of attraction and repulsion that I was blithering on are not those between characters in the show, but between the viewer and the show itself. For instance, I am attracted to B7 by the setting and general ethos and (yes) the characters, but repelled by the cheap sets and costumes and special effects. Pulled one way, pushed the other, I find myself caught in the middle and thus have to resolve the tension by seizing control of B7 and turning it into the series I think it should have been.<< Nah. I just think viewers who come to love a show choose to ignore the stuff they don't like about it. You can tell; when you're first trying to introduce someone to this show you've been raving about, you squirm uncomfortably at the bad special effects and other things that you don't want them to notice. >>Of course, a viewer might be attracted by some on-screen relationships that work in the way s/he appreciates, but repelled by others that are considered mishandled, and this too would generate the tension that generates fannishness.<< Fans don't write fanfic about characters and plot elements they feel were 'mishandled'. You seldom see much of that. Again, I feel it's simply ignored. Leah

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character' (of ftopic)
by Tavia Chalcraft 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Morrigan wrote: >That's a pretty convincing MS. Probably why I prefer P.D. James' >Adam Dalgleish. He comes with lots of annoying and human traits >and doesn't have a social life. I can identify with that. PD James is a massively better writer, she has a great sense for place (eg The Black Tower, Devices & Desires). It's a shame she gave up writing her female detective Cordelia Gray (eg An Unsuitable Job for a Woman) as she was rather fun. Scarpetta, well let's put it this way, I've packed up all my Scarpetta novels to go to Oxfam (in fact, ObB7, will probably give them to Richard at Redemption if anyone's intrigued to know how bad they are). I tried to do the same with my PD James and they cried at me from the box to read them... Tavia PS In fact, on the male--female debate, I've been surprised how many men enjoy PD James' Dalgliesh novels.

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Re: Deliverance, Gender and Technology
by Harriet Monkhouse 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Natasa wrote: >Psychologically they are the offspring of Athene, >who was conceived in her father's head. The best Mary Sue EVER! Harriet

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Harriet Monkhouse 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Only six days behind now... Neil teased me briefly with the idea he might go for the trousers: >Nothing wrong with red, though I prefer black, >brown or grey. Everything wrong with leather, >since it comes from dead animals and is bloody > heavy and uncomfortable. Quite, that's why I wear PVC trousers at conventions - they can get a bit sweaty but are quite comfortable apart from that. Also good for watching cricket on a showery day (you can wipe the rain off, instead of getting soaked with no means of changing into something dry). Wish I could find some good non-leather winter shoes. In the early 20th century my great-aunt Lily, the original vegetarian Monkhouse, wore shoes made of vegetable fibres, but they fell apart. I have seen fake leather shoes, but they were hideous. And it's tricky enough to find shoes I can stand in any material given that my feet are size three and a half (that's something like 36 or 37 European). So, Neil, can we look forward to you in red PVC trousers? ObB7 - we've discussed before, haven't we, whether it was really leather or a fake (I'm talking the real, Platonic version of the clothes, not the ones the actors wore to represent them). Harriet

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Redemption Roll Call (American Style)
by Sestina94＠aol.com 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Hello All, I've been seriously lurking for the last several months. But, I'm getting ready to travel across the pond to Redemption with Morrigan and wanted to know how many other Americans will be flying over to attend the Con. Can you all make yourselves known? Would be cool for us Yanks to meet up at the hotel and compare jetlag. So Who else is going? I'm going and I've got one of those electric current converter thingies, so if you wanted to bring your hair dryer from home, let me know. Looking forward to the Con! Pat C.

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Re: [B7L] Space Fall
by Marian de Haan 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Jacqui wrote re Space Fall: >Vila when introduced does not come across as a regular news broadcast viewer/listener - but he is more aware of Avon's crime than who Blake is (or was). While his knowledge of what Avon did might be partially professional - they are both thieves of a sort - his remarks to Blake imply that Avon's embezzlement was 'big news.'< Not necessarily. Possibly the Federation wanted to keep the crime secret and gave no publicity to his trial and conviction. Vila could have heard about it on the prisoners grapevine. >(Avon is probably thinking along the lines of 'I'm cooped up with another door to door political salesman - and I can't foist him on another of his ilk and amuse myself by seeing them tie each other in knots.')< This theme was used by Judith Proctor in her very amusing story "Rebel Quartet". (IIRC it's in her website library.) Marian

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Re: [B7L] liking 'character'
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

In a message dated 2/17/01 2:11:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net writes: << From: <Bizarro7(a)aol.com> > Fans don't write fanfic about characters and plot elements they feel were > 'mishandled'. You seldom see much of that. Again, I feel it's simply ignored. >Like, say, the Orbit shuttle?< The fans aren't fans of the mishandling. The number one attraction of ORBIT is the horrible situation of Avon, trying to survive by hunting down someone who was supposed to be his friend, with an eye toward murdering him. Not the science or mechanics, faulty or otherwise, of the shuttle. >>Or the cellar scene in Rumours? Or Avon's final showdown with Blake?<< I think maybe we are misinterpreting the word 'mishandled'. The terrible events you cite aren't mishandling. They are high drama, melodrama, script choices. We may or may not agree with them, but they were deliberate. In "Blake", the final scene was deliberately done to be upsetting and ambivelant, in hopes of generating a cliffhanger that would make a 5th season possible. The fact that the 5th season never happened created the frustration that makes so many B7 fan writers seek closure. It wasn't planned that way, but it wasn't mishandling. Similarly, the end of "Rumors" was high tragedy. I never saw it as any sort of mishandling. I don't see fanfic generated by these scenes as 'corrections' so much as necessary elaborations, because the show didn't have the time or will to carry the story elements forward themselves. I thought the moments you cited were highly *original*, something hard to achieve in a script, nowadays. Maybe originality is one of those extra ingredients we need to add to your list of the previous post, Neil.

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Re: Redemption Travel Plans
by Steve Rogerson 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

I've checked on this and was told that Victoria has a left luggage facility that is open 7am to 10.15pm, Monday to Saturday. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Fanfic -- a slightly different question
by B7Morrigan＠aol.com 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

> Tavia Chalcraft wrote: > > > > Someone (Neil?) raised the question of description in fanfic. Do people > > prefer people and backgrounds to be described, and in how much detail? How > > overt does this have to be before it gets annoying? Does anyone have any > > useful hints? I agree with Mistral that it varies widely by reader. I think it's an larger issue in fanfic because some of us may assume that the reader is familiar enough with the show that background detail is unnecessary. We don't need to introduce the characters, the ships, the environment, etc. The readers know what the characters look like, how each generally behaves, etc. Personally, I think the test for sufficient description of people or background is whether or not that description is necessary for the story. Does it enhance the reader's understanding of the plot or the character interaction? Does the environment affect the outcome or even the state of mind of the characters? Does it say something that X is wearing red instead of black, etc. Morrigan "Auron may be different, Cally, but on Earth it is considered ill-mannered to kill your friends while committing suicide."

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