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Light Bulb Joke
by Betty Ragan 23 Mar '01

23 Mar '01

Calle found the previously-mentioned lightbulb joke for me. You may now all feel entirely free to wish he hadn't. :) > How many B7 characters does it take to change a lightbulb? > > The answer seems to be at least eight... > > BLAKE: "Don't you see, the lightbulb must be given the freedom to > change itself. That's why we're fighting!" > > AVON: "It's not my field." > > VILA: "I would change it, you see, only I've pulled a muscle. You > really ought to give me something for that, Cally, the pain is > terrible! Plus, I'd have to stand on a chair, and I'm really not good > with heights." > > ZEN: "This unit is not permitted to interfere with lightbulb-changing > activities." > > GAN: "I'm trying to change it, but my limiter keeps kicking in. > Probably some Federation technician's idea of a joke." > > ORAC: "That task is far too trivial to be worth engaging my circuits. > Besides which, if you hadn't noticed, I do not have any hands!" > > CALLY: "There is an old Auron proverb: 'A man who refuses to change a > lightbulb is not in the dark, merely unilluminated.'" > > JENNA: "All right, I'll do it, if you'll all just SHUT UP!" -- Betty Ragan ** ragan(a)sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/ "Indecision is the key to flexibility." -- anonymous

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Re: Lyst Culture Guide
by Steve Rogerson 23 Mar '01

23 Mar '01

Still like a pro Og group. How about BOG (believe Og is great)? -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent The 25th Anniversary Blake's 7 Convention The 10th Anniversary Babylon 5 Convention http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] Re: Unlikely lust objects
by Shane Little 22 Mar '01

22 Mar '01

Jenny wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> > >> From: Marian de Haan <maya(a)multiweb.nl> > >> >> >> > Cheryl asked: >> > >How many B7 fans are actually interested in the original concept of the >> > show and it's characters?< >> > >> > I am. After all, it's the show as broadcast that gripped me. Had it been >> a >> > soppy soap with lots of kinky sex (for example), I would never have kept >> on >> > watching, let alone become a fan. >> >> This is my 'Me too' post for the year. >> >> Sometimes you just gotta stand up and be counted. >> >>Oh, what the hell. >> >>If Neil's me-toing, then: Me three. >> >> >>Me four :) !!! >> >>Jenny Me five. Shane "Next, please." -- Avon _________________________________________________________________________ Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015

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Re: [B7L] Biology, culture and the crush
by Shane Little 22 Mar '01

22 Mar '01

Leah wrote: > Falling in love, either with an actor or a person in your life, is a > biological condition triggered by chemicals. As coldly scientific as that > sounds, the condition of leverance has been proven in the lab. It can have > many different degrees, but it follows a prescribed biological pattern, and > has perpetuated in the genes of our species (and probably in other species) > as a means of continuing the species. One can fall into the emotional > condition known now as 'leverance' under a host of circumstances, including > weekly exposure to an attractive television character we have come to feel > close to and care about. This displacement is a modern phenomenon, but > chemically, it's every bit as real as meeting someone you come to regard as > 'the one' (someone you wish to mate with). So the reason you've been a fan for 20+ years is because you, Leah, are in love with Avon and want to perpetuate the species with him? We are rational, thinking > creatures--but only recently. We still dwell in a biological engine that > can't rely on rational thought for survival, and isn't taking any chances. A > few thousand years of self-awareness and civilization structure isn't going > to change that. You're kidding yourself if you think human beings are rational. Shane "Spare me the amateur psychology." --Avon Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015

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Re: [B7L] Re: Unlikely lust objects
by Jenny Kaye 22 Mar '01

22 Mar '01

Fiona wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> > > > From: Marian de Haan <maya(a)multiweb.nl> > > > > > > > > Cheryl asked: > > > >How many B7 fans are actually interested in the original concept of >the > > > show and it's characters?< > > > > > > I am. After all, it's the show as broadcast that gripped me. Had it >been > > a > > > soppy soap with lots of kinky sex (for example), I would never have >kept > > on > > > watching, let alone become a fan. > > > > This is my 'Me too' post for the year. > > > > Sometimes you just gotta stand up and be counted. > >Oh, what the hell. > >If Neil's me-toing, then: Me three. Me four :) !!! Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Biology, culture and the crush
by Fiona Moore 22 Mar '01

22 Mar '01

----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> > Huh? Whassat? I wasn't aware that sweating your bollocks off in a hot, > noisy factory counted as any kind of academic discipline. You're well better up on the biological lit than I am, as you've just demonstrated, which is why I asked you. I'm no academic elitist :). Anyway, at the risk of winding up in one of those discussions in which the biological and the social scientist lock horns over nature/nurture and gets absolutely nowhere, here's a few of my thoughts: > Mate selection in human beings seems far too complicated for me to want to > bother with, but one of the more interesting takes on it that I've read > comes out of meme theory. If we think of ourselves psychologically as a > collection of memes, just as we are physically a collection of genes, then > partner-seeking will operate to at least some degree on the basis of memetic > selection. I'm not up on meme theory so perhaps I'm setting myself up for a fall here-- but I'd bring in as a counterargument Norbert Walter in "Cybernetics" (backed up by Barbara Smuts' primate studies) who argues that partner-seeking exists as much for reasons of social bonding as for producing offspring, if not more. Arguing that we go for the person with the most attractive genes (as Leah says) or memes (as Dawkins says, and which is the more interesting theory, as it explains why the girl prefers the nerd), still excludes the recreational and social aspects of sexual bonding. > etc, all displaying the trendiest memes for their particular subcoterie. I > don't think anyone would argue that conforming to prevailing fashion gives > you a head start if you want to get laid. Actually I would, being someone who tends to go for the nonconformist type :). > Actors are, by profession, imitators. Although we all perform to some > extent in most of our social interactions, (I'd argue in most of them-- but that's another discussion) >Actors, at least the good > ones, are the best imitators, and by inference capable of imitating those > 'trendiest memes' that one looks for in a partner. Um, well, debatable. I'm not sure, for instance, that anybody particularly expected Patrick Stewart to become a sex symbol, and frankly I consider Bela Lugosi a very good actor, but I think very few people would choose him as a sex partner even if he weren't forty years in the grave :). Furthermore, actors' desirability and their acting ability are not fixed factors: Peter Cushing started out playing young hunky heroes, but is better known for the sinister villains he played in his fifties onwards, and the actors who seem to inspire the biggest crushes are not always the ones with the best acting/imitating abilities (witness Leonardo DiCaprio). Additionally, I think Tavia's point about the crush often being either totally or partially a form of identification with the character the actor plays is a good one, and again suggests that the crush is more than a biological phenomenon. > You could say that we are genetically programmed to develop crushes on > actors! I would rather say that we are socially conditioned :)-- and repeat that I'm not entirely sure that the function of the crush is purely one related to the propagation of genes.... > Successful actors tend to appear in the most successful films and shows (a > complex interaction of star and vehicle that I can't be arsed to analyse in > greater depth), and box-office success might be gauged as a rough barometer > of memetic success - stars of big hits are trendy, so their memes become > trendy, and hence the stars become desirable partners. On top of that, stars > tend to be sexually attractive in the physical sense (though this too is at > least partly memetic, since tastes vary from culture to culture and over > time). Which again makes fandom a rather interesting phenomenon. B7, for instance, has a cult following, but I would hardly describe it as a big international hit-- and it's been off the air since 1981, other than the occasional rerun. Which makes the trendiness of its actors' memes a bit questionable, even though we do seem to be sunk in the morass of an early-eighties revival right now (I have nightmares at the thought of the return of the poodle perm). >This is particularly true for actresses, unfortunately. They pass > their sell-by date all too quickly. Agreed, though I think that has more to do with social factors-- it seems to be more socially acceptable to view an older man as a sex symbol than an older woman. > So there are several factors directing us towards developing crushes on > actors: their imitative ability, their physical desirability, and their > professional success. Is it ever more than a crush? In the overwhelming > majority of cases, probably not. Nevertheless, there does seem to be a > small percentage of fans that seem to stake an unreasonable (and quite > unrealistic) claim on particular actors. True, and I'd add that this doesn't always have to be sexual, as witness your remark about people expecting actors to read their scripts or whatever. > That emphatic 'No' should be self-evident to virtually everyone, yet to a > few it would seem not to be. However, two points that strike me as valid: > > 1) it's not unique to media fandom, as the well documented phenomenon of > stalking celebrities (or indeed non-celebrities) attests. This is also true, which is why I tend to think it has roots in wider cultural trends. > 2) stalking is a manifestation of social dysfunctionality that resides > within the stalker, not his or her society or subculture. Subculture, perhaps not-- but society, I'd take mild issue with. In some ways one can argue that Western culture perversely encourages celebrity obsession-- stalking cases tend to make the front pages, and in some ways seem to be presented as a measure of a star's success (witness the Doonesbury cartoon in which a fan says to Zonker something along the lines of: "You really made the big time. I heard you even had your own stalker!" and Zonker modestly replies "Well, I had to share one with Ryan O'Neil..."). It is possible to argue that this is just due to the media's fondness for sensationalistic reporting, but on the other hand the media doesn't always act this way: it seems, for instance, that last summer's "News of the World" vigilante attacks were deliberately underreported in order to lessen the chance of the attacks spreading. Exactly *why* this obsession is as much lauded as condemned is a debatable one-- I tend to think it comes down to capitalism, myself (publicity sells more movies, and encouraging obsessive behaviour sells more photographs of Gillian Anderson, etc.), but then I'm aware that not everyone takes the neo-Marxist view. > Paul Darrow has been sent, quite unsolicited, explicit fan material that he > personally found upsetting, but I don't think fandom or any particular > aspect of fandom - including slash fic or slash art - can be held > responsible for that. Nor do I, but I would argue that such behaviour does not emerge in a vacuum, and it can be interesting to investigate its roots. The same holds for your analogy of your schoolmate mailing top shelf magazines to a woman he fancies-- in a culture with no top-shelf magazines or postal service he wouldn't fancy her less, but he might find another way of expressing his interest (or, in a culture in which displaying outward signs of sexual attraction is seen as unacceptable, not). However, the top-shelf-mag boy example may not be the most analogous to the actor/slash example which you cited above. For a bloke to send top-shelf mags to a woman is sad, annoying and IMO constitutes sexual harrassment. However, for the bloke to draw nude pictures of that same woman and to send them to her... well, if I was that woman I'd be ringing the police and looking into restraining orders. And if he continues to do this, and to show (even sell!) the pictures to his mates despite her protests... I agree that in both cases these are the actions of a disturbed minority-- but I think that sending slash to Paul Darrow is in a more extreme category than sending girlie mags to a workmate. >Where such > dysfunctionality originates, and to what extent the rest of us collude in > promulgating and/or perpetuating it, is another question. (And not an > unimportant one.) Indeed. > Of course, if you don't believe in memes and think that Dawkins, Blackmore, > Dennett etc are a wunch of bankers, you're not going to believe any of that. And likewise, if you think that social scientists are all barking up the wrong tree (or all barking, anyway), I don't expect you to believe a word I've said either. Fiona The Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane Available for public perusal at http://nyder.r67.net ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re: [B7L] Re: Unlikely lust objects
by Marian de Haan 22 Mar '01

22 Mar '01

Cheryl asked: >How many B7 fans are actually interested in the original concept of the show and it's characters?< I am. After all, it's the show as broadcast that gripped me. Had it been a soppy soap with lots of kinky sex (for example), I would never have kept on watching, let alone become a fan. Marian

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AutoPost: Lyst Culture Guide
by kat＠welkin.apana.org.au 22 Mar '01

22 Mar '01

Guide to Lyst Culture ********************** (written for the B7 mailing list at <http://lists.lysator.liu.se/mailman/listinfo/blakes7>) composed by Kathryn Andersen version 1.0 Considering the number of newbies who have admitted to being nearly frightened away by the manner of folks on this list, and wondering how much larger the number who *were* frightened away, I figured it was a good idea to write a Gentle Introduction which will lift confusion and humanise the apparently terrifying denizens of these electronic halls. Me saw need, me wrote. If me make mistakes, please tell, so corrections entered. This is by no means meant to replace the actual Lyst FAQ (at <http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/FAQ.html>) but serve as an adjunct to it. This is *not* a rule-set of customs. It is *descriptive* not proscriptive. The actuality, not the ideal. The distillation of our understanding of what the Lyst is like, so that folks don't have to read a year's worth of posts in order to get an idea of what the heck is going on here... Also, if you're new to the net, you might find the following helpful - common E-Mail abbreviations <http://www.zeusprod.com/glossary/mailterm.html> - Netiquette (net etiquette) <http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Internet/Beginner_s_Guides/Neti…> - The Google Search Engine <http://www.google.com> which I used to find the above URLs... Lyst Culture In A Bottle ************************* What's this "Lyst" business? ============================= The mailing list <blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se> was, so far as I know, the first Blake's 7 (electronic) mailing list to be created (and it also predates the newsgroup). Note the "lysator" in the address. Since there are other lists (most notably, the Other List), presumably to save having to say "the lysator List", a shorthand for that is simply "the Lyst". Our Esteemed Listowner, Calle, is not a woman. This doesn't stop people calling him "Cally", indeed, it would be almost irresistible not to, considering the subject of this List. Nobody outside his native country can actually pronounce his name correctly, but it may help those who want to try, to keep in mind that "Calle" comes from the same root as "Carl". Not only that, it's a common short form of Carl, in the same way that Dick is for Richard. Contrary to rumour, "lysator" does not mean "liberator" in Calle's native tongue. It apparently doesn't mean anything in particular. Posting Style ============== Unlike many other lists, we don't tend to be chatty, and off-topic posts are (after a while) encouraged to go to the Spin-off list, so that we can get down to the serious business of discussing the political systems in B7 or the nature of terrorism or how teleportation works; or the lighthearted business of Avon's red leather trousers or what kind of ice cream the particular characters would prefer, or how to recast the series. It isn't a required custom on this list to introduce yourself, though a few people like to. People also don't tend to issue a formal welcome to newbies -- we just get on with the discussion and expect folks to join in (or not). Please don't consider this unfriendly; it's simply... focused. We're always interested in fresh ideas. If someone doesn't respond to your posting it could simply be because they agreed with it -- and didn't want to write a "me too" post. On the other hand, feel free to consider this unfriendly... but if you do, then it behooves you to go and welcome people, don't it? If the Lyst seems particularly busy and snarky, it's probably February. Odd Acronyms and Other Collections ================================== If you are confused by people referring to "the wrath of FINALACT" or suchlike, be confused no longer. As with many online fandoms, groups of like-minded fans often declare allegiance to their particular favourite characters, and form groups. Generally in order to be part of such a group... one simply declares oneself to be part of it. One doesn't have to be part of any group at all, and these groups are not meant to be taken deadly seriously either. Though some are more tongue-in-cheek than others. Often they are formed of those who consider their view to be a minority one. The Tarrant Nostra ------------------ Yes, this one doesn't have odd acronyms but with such a cool name, who needs them? The first known reference to the Tarrant Nostra by that name is apparently in 1995, though the core group was around for longer than that. The name sprung from the mind of Brooke Barker. This group, is, obviously, those who favour Tarrant. Carol McCoy is "The Godmother" of the Tarrant Nostra; other members may not be so clearly identified. See Also <http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/TarrantNostra/tarrant.htm> F.I.N.A.L.A.C.T. ---------------- This stands for "Foundation Invalidating Numerous Accusations Levelled At Croucher's Travis". These are the fans who prefer Brian Croucher's Travis, aka Travis II. They have a tendency to threaten detractors with The Comfy Chair, Karaoke music and Teletubby torture. Jacqueline Thijsen is the Chief Inquisitor. Penny Dreadful is their Queen, hopeful of being elevated to godhood, so that Iain Coleman can be Pope. See also <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=26736> G.I.T.H.O.G. ------------ This stands for "Greif Is Travis, House Of Greif". Byline -- 'In Time, We All Come to Greif'. These are the fans who prefer Stephen Grief's Travis, aka Travis I. They appear to be less active than FINALACT, probably because they don't perceive themselves to be in the minority. See also <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=33344> A.S.K.S. -------- Avon's Sympathetic Kindred Spirits go against the flow of Avon fans because they don't give a fig whether he looks sexy in black leather, they just identify with him. Kathryn Andersen made up this acronym, so she is presumably the founding member. Gareth's Gorillas ----------------- Fans who are into Gareth Thomas and his work, as distinct from just being interested in Blake (though they are interested in Blake too). Chief Gorilla is Judith Proctor. One may see them at cons wearing "Gareth's Gorilla" badges. The Gan Defence League ---------------------- Those who appreciate the unsung and oft under-appreciated Olag Gan. Judith Proctor goes around distributing oak leaves to those who stand up for Gan and say nice things about him. S.C.A.M. -------- Society for Crushing Animals Maligners, given a name by Una McCormack, the (almost) sole person who not only liked the episode "Animals", but strives to defend it. Dedicated to the art of Justinification (justifying Justin). Followers of the Goddess ------------------------ The concept of the Golden Goddess Soolin, her Acolyte Dayna, and the Chief Hairdresser Vila was the invention of Ophelia (aka Kanna-Ophelia, aka (name suppressed on request))... not quite as gone as we thought. J.A.D.E. -------- Jarriere's Always Discriminating Enthusiasts don't actually tend to use this acronym a lot, but their influence has been far-reaching; not only did they get this minor character who only appeared in one episode (Gambit... Travis called him a powder-puff) into the top 20 of an online poll of favourite SF characters.... but they actually persuaded a fannish model-maker to include Jarriere into their line of die-cast models (after Avon, Blake, Travis and Vila). They are led by Harriet Monkhouse, who, after another Harriet joined the Lyst in 2001, decided to style herself Jarriet (or Harriere) to cut down on possibilities of mistaken identity. Avon Without Guilt ------------------ Not a terribly active group these days, but Pat Nussman founded "AWG" -- Avon Without Guilt. As in, yes, we *know* it's terribly common; we *know* that more discerning tastes move on from their first attraction to the Dark and Snarly One in favor of the more arcane delights of, oh, The Thane and Bruce; we *know* he has a less than stellar character. So what? We still love him, and we refuse to be guilty about it. It is worthwhile noting that Barbara Paul dedicated one of her novels to the Avon Without Guilt group. See <http://www.lit-arts.com/bpaul/holland.htm> Sickly Equines =============== Certain topics have a habit of coming up over and over again. I'm reluctant to call them dead horses, because it can be the case that a newbie can actually offer new insight that nobody's thought of before, and pass the hand of healing over what was once assumed to be a corpse. - Hey, Maybe Avon Shot Blake's Clone! - Was Blake a Freedom Fighter Or A Terrorist? Should Blake Have Destroyed Star One? - Avon Was Mad (No He Wasn't) Hot Topics ========== One topic which is pretty much guaranteed to start the fires burning no matter how nicely and calmly people may start the discussion, is slash. If you don't know what slash is, don't worry, since you probably don't want to argue about it either. An oldish summary of the pro-slash position from Susan Beth can be found at <ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/misc/slash.defense> A summary of the anti-slash position is at <http://www.katspace.com/b7/slashsum.html> Another topic which tends to set the sparks flying is Horizon, the biggest and oldest B7 fan club. Or, more specifically, its Coodinator/Treasurer/etc, Diane Gies. I'm not going to reiterate it here, that would just stir people up again. Any topic can raise the temperature if it is pursued obnoxiously enough. There has been steam coming out of ears over - whether Deliverance is Sexist - posting style - con reports - religion just to name a few. But don't let that scare you off, we're generally quite calm and rational... Signs that a thread has gone on too long at too high a temperature are - posters start repeating themselves (worst case, reposting earlier posts of their own) - postings degenerate into a "he said, she said" dissection of why what so-and-so said was insulting. INTJ? MBTI? Huh? ================== Once upon a time, someone first brought up the idea of figuring out the Myers-Briggs (personality) Type Indicator for each of the characters. It was mentioned briefly once before, but the topic truly exploded in February 1998 when Adam Fuller posted this -- <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=21161> Much discussion ensued, and many people went off to <http://www.keirsey.com> to take the personality tests there to figure out their own type. Of those who took the tests and actually reported back, the majority appeared to be either INTJ or INTP types (and, oddly enough, the consensus was that Avon was either an INTJ or an INTP). This probably explains why the posting style of the list appears so unfriendly -- half of us are closet Avons. Some people are sick of this topic. Others remain fascinated by it. Penguins? What's that got to do with B7? ========================================= The connection between penguins and B7 can only be explained by the one who discovered the sinister conspiracy in the first place. For some reason, Calle seems to think it was Una McCormack, but the rest of the world blames it on Neil Faulkner. <http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/blakes7/darkheart/darkheart.htm> Except for Neil, who blames it on Alison Page. Acknowledgements ================ Thanks (in no particular order) to Penny Dreadful, Calle Dybedahl, Neil Faulkner, Una McCormack, Tavia, Mistral, Steve Rogerson, Ophelia, Andrew Williams, Sandra Kisner, M, Harriet Monkhouse, Jacqueline Thijsen, Wildean, Harriet, Carol McCoy, Susan Beth, Tiger M for additions, comments and corrections. Where To Find It ================ This FAQ-ish thing can be found on the web at <http://www.katspace.com/b7/lyst.html> and posted on the Lyst once a month. Fri Mar 23 06:07:24 EST 2001

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AutoPost: Lyst Culture Guide
by kat＠welkin.apana.org.au 22 Mar '01

22 Mar '01

Fri Mar 23 01:06:00 EST 2001

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Nexus
by Judith Proctor 22 Mar '01

22 Mar '01

More Good News! This has also not yet been announced on the Nexus web site: www.enterthenexus.com... Just confirmed to attend Nexus 2001 for Friday evening through to the Sunday evening is Gareth Thomas (Blake - 'Blake's 7'). Details of the events that he shall be participating in will be posted on the Nexus web site (www.enterthenexus.com) in due course (please be patient, even Webmasters only have 24 hours in a day!) Gareth adds to the great and varied line-up for 2001, including: René Auberjonois, Sylvester McCoy, John Freeman and Richard Arnold. So if you haven't registered already, visit our website and download a form now! Don't forget that the sooner you register the less queuing you will have to do for autograph and 'Snaps with the Stars' sessions (see the Nexus web site or email: nexus2001(a)enterthenexus.com for further details). Brief bio and statistics for Gareth Thomas, taken from http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7/index.html: Gareth Thomas was born on 12th Feb 1945 in Wales and has been a very busy actor in TV, film and theatre roles throughout his career. Best known to his fans as Blake in 'Blake's 7', Gareth has been nominated for a BAFTA Best Actor Award twice and became an associate of RADA in 1996. His ambitions...Gareth would particularly like to play Othello and Falstaff. ************* DO YOU KNOW of anyone who would like to receive updates on the latest Nexus event? Tell a friend about the Nexus website by using the 'Tell-a-Friend' button on the Nexus web pages (www.enterthenexus.com) and get them to sign up to our 'YahooGroups' mailing list, a function that is also available on all pages of the site! ************* See you in July the webmaster www.enterthenexus.com email: nexus2001(a)enterthenexus.com -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '03 21-23 Feb 2003 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Blakes7 March 2001