Blakes7 March 2001

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Re: Wulgar's filk, prizes, and address corrections...:)
by Ellynne G. 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:23:32 -0800 (PST) heather schuette-goupil <spooky272(a)yahoo.com> writes: > Hey Ellynne... > Well, I sent the sticker again a couple weeks ago, My fault. I checked with my friend. It seems her P.O. Box does not have the same ZIP as the rest of the town (I'm not asking, I'm not asking . . .). Actually, I'm in one of those 'fate is against it' moods. If you _really_ want to try, I can give you what she says is the 'right' address, but it stresses me to think of one of the few D&D stickers out there getting lost in transit (or thrashed through excessive bad handling from mail carriers). Believe me, I'm always quite satisfied with just winning. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] I See Dead People
by Ellynne G. 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 04:25:21 -0000 "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> writes: > From: Ellynne G. <rilliara(a)juno.com> > > He also said 'gravestone' rather than 'tombstone' in Sarcophagus, > but that's > just me being picky. No, no, I distinctly remember the part where Blake, looking an awful lot like Kevin Costner, and his brothers road into town . . . oh, wait, that's Star Trek. > > Gan seemed to recognise the grave markers for what they were in Duel > (assuming that is indeed what they were), and neither Blake nor > Jenna seemed > inclined to argue, so the concept of burial was at least familiar to > all > three of them. More important that _Gan_, who knew nothing about churches and who probably hadn't traveled much before deportation, knew them. Darn, because I just don't see them having any in the domes . . . . Maybe they figure prominantly in cheesy movies? Like mummies and Egyptian pyramids in some from this day and age? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] AVON'S GARDENING DIARY
by Tavia 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

Neil: >Probably the most productive twenty minutes of my entire life. You've not got any children then...... Tavia

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Very late in responding, re: b7 and cyberpunk
by Helen Krummenacker 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

Hello, just finally had a chance to catch up on the last few lists I received before deciding I didn't have time to read. > > > Likewise a caper story with Avon and Vila might turn out to be a > > consensual shared hallucination they are using to speed-train each other > > in their respective skills, because Avon would be seeing through Vila's > > eyes and feeling through his fingers as he handled his lockpicks, and > > Vila was shadowing Avon's movements through computer screens. The > > cross-skilling would be valuable and if they had the equipment and > > trust, they very well might try it. But the rebel-cheering enthusiast > > might feel let down that no power plant was really blown up in the > > making of this shared hallucination. > > Actually, I rather like that idea. Though I'd certainly like it much > better if it was clear from the outset that this *was* a virtual caper. Yes, that's the problem. The very first cyberpunk story I read, the entire novel was a shared hallucination and the real situation wasn't revealled until the final chapter. I felt robbed. > (But then, maybe I don't count as a "rebel-cheering enthusiast," if > that's meant to contrast with "character junkie.") Not in an either/or sort of way, but simply someone who's primary love is to cheer for the rebels vs. the evil menace. Finding out they hadn't really scored the victory they had appeared to would be disappointing.

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Request For Comment - Lyst Culture Guide
by Kanna Ophelia 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

And again... <sigh> Sorry. I'm computer-impaired still... > ----- > Kathryn: > > > Followers of the Goddess > > ------------------------ > > > > The concept of the Golden Goddess Soolin, her Acolyte Dayna, and the > > Chief Hairdresser Vila was the invention of Lindley, now no longer with > > us. But worth a mention anyway. > > Hey, Kathryn, I'm back in Federation-land again! <huggles> Missed ya. And I'm > very touched that the Temple has not been altogether lost in the mists of > time... <wiping away a tear> My own adoration for Soolin has never been > abated. I still consider her beautiful, charming, admirable and sadly under > rated, with truly phenomenal hair... And hair is important. > > Can I just ask, though, that if this Lyst Culture Guide does become semi- > official, you'll change "Lindley" to the name I'm generally known as around the > net now, "Kanna-Ophelia"? (If you're talking to-quoting me, Kanna, Ophelia or > K-O are equally acceptable.) I'm no longer as sanguine about using my real name > as I was back then... > > Tavia: > > <<>People don't tend to introduce themselves or welcome > >newbies -- we just get on with the discussion. Please > >don't consider this unfriendly; it's simply... focused. > > ....This habit (which I agree is currently in evidence) being one in point. > Rather than incorporating it into the Lyst 'rule set' perhaps we should at > least *consider* changing it? Perhaps we really *are* being unfriendly? The > once-a-year 'everyone posts an introduction' idea on FC seemed quite fun to > this (chatty) list-reader.>> > > I agree with Tavia. Kathryn, honey, if I read this as a newbie, I would feel > distinctly unwelcome, even though I appreciate that's not what you intended. > > For my part, I know it's *infinitely* nicer joining a group and being welcomed > than making the first step of delurking and being ignored. I know that on my > own group, if I'm distracted for some reason, I'm glad I can rely on two or > three others always making newbies feel wanted. Maybe Avon types would hate > it, but it's only a matter of enduring a hello or two, and surely there's a few > Vilas and Gans around whose needs are equally worthy of being respected <g>. > > But then, I'm not really an Avon fan... <cowers> > > At risk of sounding - fuzzy or intrusive - I hope I won't step on any toes if > I occaisionally say hello to a newbie? Being a second-time-round newbie > myself... > > And the Lyst members who wrote welcoming me back certainly gave me a *pleasant* > sense of the fuzzies. <sends warm fuzzies back> > > XXX Kanna-Ophelia (INFP <g>) > Femmeslash: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/femmeslash > The Pokeslash Playground: www.tvheaven.pokemon.com > Diversion Tactics: > www.geocities.com/diversiontactics > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using One.Net's Mail Man. > http://mailman.one.net.au --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using One.Net's Mail Man. http://mailman.one.net.au

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Re: Avon's Gardening Diary
by Sestina94＠aol.com 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

Neil, This was bloody brilliant! Bravo! Pat C.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Redemption report
by Mac4781＠aol.com 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

Chris and Steve: > Chris Blenkarn asked: "By the way, where were the Klingons this year?" > > They weren't allowed to travel due to Foot & Mouth Disease, but at least > four did make it. Chris isn't on lysator at the moment. If anyone has comments on her Redemption review, I know she'd appreciate having them cced to her at chris.blenkarn(a)ntlworld.com. Thanks, Carol Mc

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Lyst Culture Guide (take 4)
by Kathryn Andersen 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

Okay, incorporating suggestions and corrections... I think we're actually moving very close to Version 1.0 here... No Sickly Equine suggestions? Guide to Lyst Culture ********************** (written for the B7 mailing list at <http://lists.lysator.liu.se/mailman/listinfo/blakes7>) composed by Kathryn Andersen version 0.4 Considering the number of newbies who have admitted to being nearly frightened away by the manner of folks on this list, and wondering how much larger the number who *were* frightened away, I figured it was a good idea to write a Gentle Introduction which will lift confusion and humanise these apparently terrifying denizens of these electronic halls. Me saw need, me wrote. If me make mistakes, please tell, so corrections entered. This is by no means meant to replace the actual Lyst FAQ (at <http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/FAQ.html>) but serve as an adjunct to it. This is *not* a rule-set of customs. It is *descriptive* not proscriptive. The actuality, not the ideal. The distillation of our understanding of what the Lyst is like, so that folks don't have to read a year's worth of posts in order to get an idea of what the heck is going on here... Lyst Culture In A Bottle ************************* What's this "Lyst" business? ============================= The mailing list <blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se> was, so far as I know, the first Blake's 7 (electronic) mailing list to be created (and it also predates the newsgroup). Note the "lysator" in the address. Since there are other lists (most notably, the Other List), presumably to save having to say "the lysator List", a shorthand for that is simply "the Lyst". Our Esteemed Listowner, Calle, is not a woman. This doesn't stop people calling him "Cally", indeed, it would be almost irresistible not to, considering the subject of this List. Nobody outside his native country can actually pronounce his name correctly, but it may help those who want to try, to keep in mind that "Calle" comes from the same root as "Carl". Not only that, it's a common short form of Carl, in the same way that Dick is for Richard. Contrary to rumour, "lysator" does not mean "liberator" in Calle's native tongue. It apparently doesn't mean anything in particular. Posting Style ============== Unlike many other lists, we don't tend to be chatty, and off-topic posts are (after a while) encouraged to go to the Spin-off list, so that we can get down to the serious business of discussing the political systems in B7 or the nature of terrorism or how teleportation works; or the lighthearted business of Avon's red leather trousers or what kind of ice cream the particular characters would prefer, or how to recast the series. It isn't a required custom on this list to introduce yourself, though a few people like to. People also don't tend to issue a formal welcome to newbies -- we just get on with the discussion and expect folks to join in (or not). Please don't consider this unfriendly; it's simply... focused. We're always interested in fresh ideas. If someone doesn't respond to your posting it could simply be because they agreed with it -- and didn't want to write a "me too" post. On the other hand, feel free to consider this unfriendly... but if you do, then it behooves you to go and welcome people, don't it? If the Lyst seems particularly busy and snarky, it's probably February. Odd Acronyms and Other Collections ================================== If you are confused by people referring to "the wrath of FINALACT" or suchlike, be confused no longer. As with many online fandoms, groups of likeminded fans often declare allegiance to their particular favourite characters, and form groups. Generally in order to be part of such a group... one simply declares oneself to be part of it. One doesn't have to be part of any group at all, and these groups are not meant to be taken deadly seriously either. Though some are more tongue-in-cheek than others. Often they are formed of those who consider their view to be a minority one. The TarrantNostra ------------------ Yes, this one doesn't have odd acronyms but with such a cool name, who needs them? The first known reference to the TarrantNostra by that name is apparently in 1995, though the core group was around for longer than that. The name sprung from the mind of Brooke Barker. This group, is, obviously, those who favour Tarrant. Carol McCoy is "The Godmother" of the the TarrantNostra; other members may not be so clearly identified. F.I.N.A.L.A.C.T. ---------------- This stands for "Foundation Invalidating Numerous Accusations Levelled At Croucher's Travis". These are the fans who prefer Brian Croucher's Travis, aka Travis II. They have a tendency to threaten detractors with The Comfy Chair, Karaoke music and Teletubby torture. Jacqueline Thijsen is the Chief Inquisitor. Penny Dreadful is their Queen, hopeful of being elevated to godhood, so that Iain Coleman can be Pope. See also <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=26736> G.I.T.H.O.G. ------------ This stands for "Greif Is Travis, House Of Greif". Byline -- 'In Time, We All Come to Greif'. These are the fans who prefer Stephen Grief's Travis, aka Travis I. They appear to be less active than FINALACT, probably because they don't perceive themselves to be in the minority. See also <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=33344> A.S.K.S. -------- Avon's Sympathetic Kindred Spirits go against the flow of Avon fans because they don't give a fig whether he looks sexy in black leather, they just identify with him. Kathryn Andersen made up this acronym, so she is presumably the founding member. Gareth's Gorillas ----------------- Fans who are into Gareth Thomas and his work, as distinct from just being interested in Blake (though they are interested in Blake too). Chief Gorilla is Judith Proctor. One may see them at cons wearing "Gareth's Gorilla" badges. The Gan Defence League ---------------------- Those who appreciate the unsung and oft under-appreciated Olag Gan. Judith Proctor goes around distributing oak leaves to those who stand up for Gan and say nice things about him. S.C.A.M. -------- Society for Crushing Animals Maligners, given a name by Una McCormack, the (almost) sole person who not only liked the episode "Animals", but strives to defend it. Dedicated to the art of Justinification (justifying Justin). Followers of the Goddess ------------------------ The concept of the Golden Goddess Soolin, her Acolyte Dayna, and the Chief Hairdresser Vila was the invention of Ophelia (aka Kanna-Ophelia, aka (name suppressed on request))... not quite as gone as we thought. J.A.D.E. -------- Jarriere's Always Discriminating Enthusiasts don't actually tend to use this acronym a lot, but their influence has been far-reaching; not only did they get this minor character who only appeared in one episode (Gambit... Travis called him a powder-puff) into the top 20 of an online poll of favourite SF characters.... but they actually persuaded a fannish model-maker to include Jarriere into their line of die-cast models (after Avon, Blake, Travis and Vila). They are led by Harriet Monkhouse, who, after the coming online of Harriet Bazley in 2001, decided to style herself Jarriet (or Harriere) so as not to be confused with the other Harriet. Sickly Equines =============== Certain topics have a habit of coming up over and over again. I'm reluctant to call them dead horses, because it can be the case that a newbie can actually offer new insight that nobody's thought of before, and pass the hand of healing over what was once assumed to be a corpse. - Hey, Maybe Avon Shot Blake's Clone! - Was Blake a Freedom Fighter Or A Terrorist? Should Blake Have Destroyed Star One? - Avon Was Mad (No He Wasn't) Hot Topics ========== One topic which is pretty much guaranteed to start the fires burning no matter how nicely and calmly people may start the discussion, is slash. If you don't know what slash is, don't worry, since you probably don't want to argue about it either. An oldish summary of the pro-slash position from Susan Beth can be found at <ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/misc/slash.defense> A summary of the anti-slash position is at <http://www.katspace.com/b7/slashsum.html> Any topic can raise the temperature if it is pursued obnoxiously enough. There has been steam coming out of ears over - whether Deliverance is Sexist - posting style - con reports - religion just to name a few. But don't let that scare you off, we're generally quite calm and rational... Signs that a thread has gone on too long at too high a temperature are - posters start repeating themselves (worst case, reposting earlier posts of their own) - postings degenerate into a "he said, she said" dissection of why what so-and-so said was insulting. INTJ? MBTI? Huh? ================== Once upon a time, someone first brought up the idea of figuring out the Meyers-Brigs (personality) Type Indicator for each of the characters. It was mentioned briefly once before, but the topic truly exploded in February 1998 when Adam Fuller posted this -- <http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=21161> There's some archival information on how this thread started on Sue Clerc's pages -- <http://members.nbci.com/sjcinct/mbb7.html> Much discussion ensued, and many people went off to <http://www.keirsey.com> to take the personality tests there to figure out their own type. Of those who took the tests and actually reported back, the majority appeared to be either INTJ or INTP types (and, oddly enough, the consensus was that Avon was either an INTJ or an INTP). This probably explains why the posting style of the list appears so unfriendly -- half of us are closet Avons. Some people are sick of this topic. Others remain fascinated by it. Penguins? What's that got to do with B7? ========================================= The connection between penguins and B7 can only be explained by the one who discovered the sinister conspiracy in the first place. For some reason, Calle seems to think it was Una McCormack, but the rest of the world blames it on Neil Faulkner. <http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/blakes7/darkheart/darkheart.htm> Except for Neil, who blames it on Alison Page. Acknowledgements ================ Thanks (in no particular order) to Penny Dreadful, Calle Dybedahl, Neil Faulkner, Una McCormack, Tavia, Mistral, Steve Rogerson, Ophelia, Andrew, Sandra Kisner, Harriet Monkhouse, Jacqueline Thijsen, Wildean for additions, comments and corrections. Where To Find It ================ This FAQ-ish thing can be found on the web at <http://www.katspace.com/b7/lyst.html> and posted on the Lyst at regular intervals (when I set it up). -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen <kat(a)foobox.net> / \ | <http://www.katspace.com> \_.--.*/ | v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe

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Re: [B7L] Re: Use of image
by Shane Little 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

Steve wrote: > Shane said: "an image using the actor's (facial) likeness which > caused the actor distress and may, if s/he didn't want to be seen as the sort of > person who would pose for dirty pictures (or allow these to be distributed), be > seen by him/her as career-damaging." > > As I think has been pointed out, there is no use of image law in the UK. I thought we were talking about libel law. >An I > think an actor would have a hard job proving in court that the use of such images > in a fanzine implied to the average reader of a fanzine that he had posed nude for > them, which is what he would have to prove. I noticed you sidestepped the distribution question, though. Even if the image wouldn't have readers thinking that Actor X posed nude for the zine, the fact that it is there in the zine and unchallenged _would_ suggest to readers that Actor X had approved or consented to their presence there. Which previous discussions have suggested is _very_ unlikely. Look, if Sally Knyvette gets a bit upset about a few pictures of her taken on a bad hair day, what's she going to do if she finds someone selling a picture of her doing the nasty with Gareth Thomas? If an actor ever does get upset enough to bring the law into the picture, even if they do lose the case, it'll still be the end of fandom as we know it, and not in a good way. > As we are now getting wildly off topic, if you want to discuss libel law etc > further, I suggest we go to the spin list. I've copied this message there to start > it off. Firstly, we're not wildly off topic-- we're talking about fans, B7 and artwork, which are acceptable topics for this lyst. Secondly, I'm not interested in libel law in general, just as it pertains to fandom. And thirdly, I'm not on the spin list. So no. Shane "Steady on the scan, Jenna" Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015

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Re: Redemption report
by Steve Rogerson 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

Chris Blenkarn asked: "By the way, where were the Klingons this year?" They weren't allowed to travel due to Foot & Mouth Disease, but at least four did make it. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent The 25th Anniversary Blake's 7 Convention The 10th Anniversary Babylon 5 Convention http://www.smof.com/redemption

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