Blakes7 March 2001

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Re: [B7L] Recent slash discussions etc
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/11/01 6:40:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ashton7(a)aol.com writes: << The actor has nothing to say about the photographer selling that photo. In the case of original artwork, the artist owns the copyright, not the public figure. >> All too true. For example, there's a gigantic controversy raging right now in the US between journalists and the widow of racing driver Dale Erhart over the use of the post-mortem photographs. All other considerations aside, there's a good chance she will lose the fight to keep them from being published. On the other side of the coin, these same laws safeguard corporations and agencies from blocking the release of incriminating photographs that prove their abuses toward the public. It's all part of the balancing act known as a free society. Leah

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Re: [B7L] Re: Hey Steve
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/11/01 6:13:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, steve.rogerson(a)mcr1.poptel.org.uk writes: << Leah said: "as Brits continue to move down here to Florida in droves, there are more and more British pubs opening up. Could you possibly be bribed to emigrate and found a "Page's Bar" down here for us? There's nothing even vaguely like it and I guarantee tremendous crowds!"<< >If someone came up with the fuunding, I might be tempted.< We can always present the idea to the guys down the road at Disney World. They steal every other original idea. Why not this one? Leah

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Re: [B7L] Recent slash discussions etc
by Tavia 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Quoting me (what dreadfully bad taste, sorry): >It's not so much promises that don't deliver, as whole stories >that read as if the characters and the plotline were concocted >by Disney. It occurs to me (in my usual insomniac state) that it's not just fanfic that suffers from the 'adult ghettoisation'. I recall a school-friend trying to persuade me to join Horizon way back when I was around 16 (and believe me, a more innocent or sheltered 16-year-old never walked this earth). She provided me with two or three year's worth of their material, interviews, newsletters, posters &c (though I don't recall any fiction), and I declined on grounds that it seemed far too childish. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Recent slash discussions etc
by Tavia 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Cheryl wrote in response to me: >I would also like to point out >that my objections were never based >on the written material so much, only with it being >interspersed with general fiction. Surely this depends on the overall age statement on the zine. The mixing of gen with adult does not appear inherently wrong, merely the purveying of such to children. >I also believe >(and will remain in this belief) that to use the >likeness of any individual in any area, without their >actual consent is a gross distortion of civil >liberties and these are my main points of contention. In terms of pictures, I don't personally see an awful lot of difference between, say, (1) someone putting a framegrab of Avon on their desktop; (2) someone using the framegrab to draw a likeness of Avon which they put on their wall; (3) someone passing said likeness of Avon round their circle of friends; and (4) someone selling 50 copies (I should be so lucky!!) of a non-profit-making fanzine containing said likeness of Avon. In all cases the picture is of Avon, not of the actor. In no case is Mr Darrow harmed by the picture. In no case is any money made out of the situation. In legal terms, I would guess all are technically illegal. In fact, I believe that fanzines in general contravene (UK) copyright law merely by using the character names/situation. >I'm actually >on your side in the severely violent storyline issue, >however; I must reiterate that my concerns re: >porn/slash lean heavily towards the fact that it can >be found amongst general stories in (I imagine) all of >fandoms stories I've only read significant amounts of B7 fanfiction so I can't comment on other fandoms. >and therefore a sufficient diet of >this sort of material could warp the general >behavioural patterns of some youngsters (extreme cases >only) I would like to add, that this also applies with >a steady diet of violence goes without >saying...therefore; I believe that these should be >placed in AO categories as well. (it all comes down to >the levels involved - a line has to be drawn as to >what is considered possibly influential material and >what is not and then separate the two.) I can hardly disagree with a statement this broad! Yes, certainly a *steady diet* of slash, or violence, or television, or penguins, or pretty much anything really, is unlikely to exert a positive influence on child development. Whether there's any actual harm probably depends more on the child and his/her background than on the material. I personally would guess that material of an explicit sexual nature would be less likely to have a negative effect than explicitly violent material. Partly I suppose on grounds of applicability; there are bullies among every almost every age-group, but sexual activities require a certain degree of physical maturity. Partly also on grounds that violence is obvious and eye-catching, while erotic material -- if you don't know what it's depicting -- isn't really. I would also assert that overprotectiveness of children is non-ideal. They are, after all, going to have to live in this world, with all its imperfections... >Okay, I have read a number of stories but I would say >nowhere near as much as maybe yourself and others on >this list Actually I'm a relative newbie here... > - so I will take it as read that some >stories have a feel about them that sex should exist >but it doesn't - and I agree, this could make for some >frustrating reading...but wouldn't this be the fault >of the author? they have instigated a moment which >promises something but does not deliver...I would say >with these stories, the author should whack the sex in >and make it adult reading, however; if the author does >not wish to do this, then no amount of mixing the >stories in a single zine is going to change this. It's not so much promises that don't deliver, as whole stories that read as if the characters and the plotline were concocted by Disney. All I can say on quality is, in my personal experience of zine publishing (viz: one to date), I was lucky enough to be submitted a heck of a lot of stories of very high quality rather quickly for the premise of a 'mixed, but no erotica' zine despite being hitherto unknown as a zine publisher or even a B7 fan. I made the deduction that writers at least rather liked the idea. Whether there's any readership to speak of is another matter .... ask me in a few more months! >I have read a number of slash stories now, well no, in >truth I have actually only read a few but I have >attempted to read a lot more, a fair % of these stories >are simply about the sex, (for me)not exactly what I >would call riveting reading... You could try the stories Betty recently recommended to Fiona, or for that matter those I recommended for the same purpose. >I don't think Avon was sent to Cygnus Alpha for any >crime other than an attempt to defraud the >Federation's banking system...that he would and does >kill in the time that follows is a difficult way to >categorise him as they all kill in the act of fighting >the rebellion - season four is another point >altogether :-)

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Re: [B7L] Warning: hijacking of thread (was Kathryn's convention report/slash)
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/11/01 1:38:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, maya(a)multiweb.nl writes: << Now I've got Annie's attention, I take the opportunity to formally withdraw my submission of Waves of Evil, submitted to Ashton(a)aol.com on May 18, 1999.>> Now that you've brought this up again, I take the opportunity to point out that an unsolicited submission has to be acknowledged and accepted, in order to be formally withdrawn. ;-) Leah

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Re: Red 01 pix
by Steve Rogerson 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Calle said: "Help identifying the people I don't know the names of would be appreciated." Pic one is Fran (left) and Ika Pic three I think is Helen Brunton Pic five (cricket match) Graham Young on right Excellent pix by the way -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent The 25th Anniversary Blake's 7 Convention The 10th Anniversary Babylon 5 Convention http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: Hey Steve
by Steve Rogerson 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Leah said: "as Brits continue to move down here to Florida in droves, there are more and more British pubs opening up. Could you possibly be bribed to emigrate and found a "Page's Bar" down here for us? There's nothing even vaguely like it and I guarantee tremendous crowds!" If someone came up with the fuunding, I might be tempted. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent The 25th Anniversary Blake's 7 Convention The 10th Anniversary Babylon 5 Convention http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] Avon's conviction (was Recent slash discussions etc)
by Tavia 11 Mar '01

11 Mar '01

Marian, responding to Cheryl: >This leads me to believe that Avon was only convicted for the fraud, >not for the killing (which, a capable lawyer could argue, was in self >defence as the visa seller shot first). Actually my original comment, which sparked Cheryl's response, mentioned two murderers not two convicted murderers, I think. Anyway, if anyone cares, e /murderer/ /killer/ ... my original point holds. Tavia

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Reality Shifts
by Dana Shilling 11 Mar '01

11 Mar '01

In light of the degree to which "1984" influenced the B7 universe, it's perfectly appropriate that reality gets re-cast--"Travis always looked like this" is a statement similar to "Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia." -(Y)

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Re: [B7L] Travis and Aftermath
by Marian de Haan 11 Mar '01

11 Mar '01

Jacqui asked: >Would Avon have told Servalan of Travis' death when they met on Sarran?< I doubt it. He had more pressing matters on his mind. (Staying alive, worrying about the fate of his crew mates, getting back to Liberator.) Also, he'd nothing to gain by telling Servalan that her loose cannon was no longer a threat. Besides, the stress of fighting off the invasion fleet and the subsequent evacuation of Liberator would probably have pushed all thoughts of Travis to the back of his mind. >(And was Servalan directing Terminal to see if Travis would pick up on it? If he did not appear, she knew he was dead.)< That might well be the case. Marian

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