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Re: [B7L] the B7 production process
by Alison Page 18 May '01

18 May '01

Thanks very much Leslie for those comments >>if you sit down with a camera script and follow an episode, I have to admit that story-wise you will notice very little difference between what you are reading and what you are seeing on the screen But not always. We know that Paul and Jackie added a few snogs that weren't in the original script for example :-) Exits and entrances, would I think be the immutable blocks of a script, unlikely to be lightly disregarded. Though having said that Derek Jacobi's Hamlet spoke the 'To be or not to be' soliloquy to Ophelia, so nothing is sacrosanct. Alison ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

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Re [B7L] Curioser and curioser...
by Neil Faulkner 18 May '01

18 May '01

This month seems to be getting more entertaining by the day. Yesterday afternoon Fiona Moore sent me an email saying: <Hi Neil, I desperately, DESPERATELY need your help. What can I do?> followed by Wortham's original 'Word of warning' post, to which Moore appended no further comment. Some hours later, even as I was drafting a reply (along the lines of "What the fuck do you expect *me* to do?"), she sent a follow up message thus: <Ignore earlier panic. Jenny's got everything under control.> Moore has not responded to my reply to her original post. As was presumably made clear by my accidental misposting last week, I've been in offLyst contact with Moore. I can only say that the witty and insightful poster she was onLyst swiftly turned into an obnoxious snotty little cow, with a conversational style (handbags included) not unlike someone else who is currently highly visible on Lysator. Furthermoore, she used this personal correspondence to launch a stream of vitriolic invective at Lysator and just about everyone on it, slashers in particular but by no means them alone. These tirades would seem to have at least some foundation in the way poor ickle Shane (clueless wanker that he was) was left to fight his tediously protracted scuffle against the Wortham/Rosenthal bastards with no one lifting a finger to help him. Shane, 'twould seem, is a personal friend of Moore's. The cavalier fannish attitude to Terry Nation's (supposed) writing talent or (counter-supposed) lack of would also appear to have a lot to do with it. I don't know if anyone else has been in offLyst contact with Moore and has anything similar to report. I won't trust anything "Jenny Kaye" says on that matter. Don't ask me exactly what the fuck's going on here, because I haven't a clue. But I have suspected for a couple of weeks now that Moore and Kaye are working together, if indeed they are two separate people. Animal camouflage don't count for squit when some cunt sets fire to the forest. Fan the flames Neil

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > >Tavia wrote: > >>Actually the greatest sadness seems to be someone we know, like and > >>respect is the *perpetrator*. > > > >Precisely. It would have been sad to see any name attached; to find > >that one was like having a bucket of urine thrown in my face. Mm. Tasteful. Despite > >the best efforts of Chris Boucher, I naively tend to assume that human > >beings in general, and Blake's 7 fans in particular, are quite nice. Birds of a feather flock together. > >"In the end, you die in your own arms." - Livia Soprano "May you die alone and silent" --Cally Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

Tavia wrote: Ellynne wrote: >The sadder thing is that someone we know and care about is the victim. That's true. <Actually the greatest sadness seems to be someone we know, like and respect is the *perpetrator*.> Yes. Leah Rosenthal. <Annie, you have my sympathy also. There's no possible justification for such abuse.> There's every possible justification. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Truth
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

That badass motherfucker Neil Faulkner wrote: > >From that feisty little minx That's me :-)! > > > > > > Free choice can only exist if the people are aware of the > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > >Between what and what? > > > > > > Between good and evil. > > > >I don't believe in them any more. Neither should you. There's good in you :-) And there's evil here. > > > > > You are aware of the alternatives, > > > > > > > > > >I am? > > > > > > I think deep down you are. You are too intelligent not to know. And you > >have a great sense of humour and an eye for the absurd. > > > >You know what they say about flattery. Flattery: Defined in the New English Dictionary as: "Compliments; insincere praise." I am not being insincere, I am being honest. However, I also understand what else you are saying :-) Fair enough. If that's your choice. > > > > >Perhaps you'd care to tell me what I've chosen. > > > > > > No good deed goes unpunished. > > > >All the more reason for not doing any good deeds. Sometimes a good deed involves punishment. > > > > >What a noble little crusader you are. > > > > > > Crusade: Defined in the New English Dictionary as: "A vigorous concerted > > > action for the defence of a cause, or the advancement of an idea." We're > >all > > > crusaders Neil. > > > >Slay them all, for God will recognise His own. Basically. Kill them and let god sort it out. But what if there isn't a god? > >When animal camouflage breaks down. Are you sure you're a predator? Only time will tell. Jules Winnfield _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

Tavia wrote: >Steve R asked: > >Jenny has said to a number of posts: "When animal camouflage breaks > >down..." ... What exactly do you mean by this? > >Actually I think that what Jenny is implying is reasonably clear: that >there is a conspiracy on the Lyst in favour of certain interpretations of >Blake's 7, and that anyone who supports Annie in this current trauma is a >party to the conspiracy. > >Am I right, Jenny? Birds of a feather flock together, isn't that right Tavia? When animal camouflage breaks down. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] the B7 production process
by Leslie Clifford 18 May '01

18 May '01

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Alison Page wrote: > >steve said - > > >> the production process involves change, however small > > > >I asked a friend to put this question to Chris Boucher (not in connection > >with the current stupid argument going on) and here is the summary of the > >answer > > > >'he puts in basic > >action (e.g. character enters) but generally leaves the structuring of > >shots > >and > >the detail of movement on set / filming to the director. Yes, Boucher's description is I'd say pretty true. If you look at any real TV shooting scripts you will see that there may be some suggestions from the writer of how a shot should be done or what model footage to use, but not many. Let's say Boucher has just finished writing a first draft script. He would then go through it with the director and the producer. The producer may say, "in this scene instead of having a large room, can we have a medium sized room? And instead of having Avon fighting with twenty guards, can we just have five?" The director at one point may say, "No we can do the big room, I'll use CSO. Or, instead of Avon fighting 5 guards we can just do it off screen with sound effects." Then Boucher will go off and make amendments and the director will go off and sort out the casting and book the studios, and the producer will go off and ensure the right budgets are allocated and so forth. He might suggest > >some > >shots, e.g. the weird bit in 'Shadow' with Cally he specified in the script > >after learning in a conversation with the visual effects guy that it was > >possible to do it), but a substantial amount would be down to the director' That having been said, the writer's role is not to be sneezed at either. The 'substantial amount' here means camera angles, set lighting, talk with the special effects boys, sorting out the location filming. But in the end, if you sit down with a camera script and follow an episode, I have to admit that story-wise you will notice very little difference between what you are reading and what you are seeing on the screen. An actor might transpose a line, or mess up a word (some productions more than others...). He might get shot with a shotgun not a clipgun or a hair curler. But in the end, the character's just as dead as he was in the script. Leslie Clifford

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Tavia 18 May '01

18 May '01

Ellynne wrote: >The sadder thing is that someone we know and care about is the victim. Actually the greatest sadness seems to be someone we know, like and respect is the *perpetrator*. Annie, you have my sympathy also. There's no possible justification for such abuse. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Truth
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

"Neil Faulkner" wrote: > >From: Jenny Kaye > > > > > Free choice can only exist if the people are aware of the alternatives. > > > >Between what and what? Between good and evil. > > > You are aware of the alternatives, > > > >I am? I think deep down you are. You are too intelligent not to know. And you have a great sense of humour and an eye for the absurd. > > > you have made your choice. > > > >I have? > > > >Perhaps you'd care to tell me what I've chosen. No good deed goes unpunished. > > > Other people aren't so lucky. Give me a chance to give them a chance. > >They deserve that at least. Please. > > > >What a noble little crusader you are. Crusade: Defined in the New English Dictionary as: "A vigorous concerted action for the defence of a cause, or the advancement of an idea." We're all crusaders Neil. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > >How disappointing. That's true. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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