Blakes7 May 2001

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Re: [B7L] [B7] Debate?
by Jenny Kaye 16 May '01

16 May '01

"heather wheeler" wrote: > >Some lystians seem quite absurd! > >By insults and pleas undeterred > >they keep on and on > >'till all reason has gone > >determined to have the last word I fight for reason you see! But then on this Lyst that's just me Some loonies abound They think they're profound But to me they're a pain in the arse Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Truth
by Jenny Kaye 16 May '01

16 May '01

Ellynne G.wrote > >I was thinking of doing a looooong thing about the nature of truth but I > >think I'll let it go with three points. This'll be interesting. > > > >1) The exact same story really can vary in meaning to different people. Yes Dr Havant. > >I've had to believe this ever since someone trying to prove this told a > >rather long joke. At the end, everyone laughed. When asked why they > >laughed, the men said it was because it was the milkman. The women said, > >"Because he's dead!" Perhaps s/he didn't get the joke and was just laughing because everyone else was, and then when pressed had to come up with something. Unless you print the joke that story is pretty useless. > > > >Please note, we were all present at the same time for the same joke > >telling. Well done. You've learned "Gathering in groups". What next? > >2) If you really do believe there can only ever be one right > >interpretation, I can help. It's mine. There, doesn't that make life > >easier for you? Yes it does for me because I know you're wrong. > >3) In keeping with the above, I'm sure we all agree the version of Hamlet > >with zombies was definitive, right? In your head it probably is. > >And, in case anyone has any doubts, let me point out that Rosencrantz and > >Guildenstern _are_ dead. Not at the beginning of the play. See ya real soon Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Isn't it Slave's turn for the spotlight ... or something?
by Jenny Kaye 16 May '01

16 May '01

Neil Faulkner wrote: > >From: Jenny Kaye > > > Either Nation and Boucher are just > > > playing a game with us, or it was all leading up to something. If it was > > > leading up to something, what was it? and why didn't it happen? > > > > > > Any guesses? > > > >Why don't you tell them? Remember Neil, he who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken :-) But yes, it is all leading up to something :-) Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] the limits of parody
by Tavia 16 May '01

16 May '01

Neil wrote: >Since recent discussion on this Lyst has shown how the >foreshadowing of the revelation of his true nature has >largely eluded the majority of fans over a span of more >than two decades, As I wrote earlier, preconceptions along the gentle (and slow) giant line. >If Blake had indeed been forced to kill Gan, as would seem to >have been Nation's original intention What an interesting idea for a plot -- where did you hear that this was Nation's intention? It would have seemed (to me) more likely that such a plotline might have been run in series 1 (ie instead of Breakdown, rather than after it), so the age of audience would have been unknown. >he - Nation, not Blake - would have sent a legion of bewildered >kids crying all the way to bed. Not exactly something to be proud >of. He'd have done less damage mugging them for their Smarties. As indeed Boucher and Ridge did somewhat later. Start as you mean to go on. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] We can't *all* be geniuses
by Jenny Kaye 16 May '01

16 May '01

Iain Coleman wrote: >Jenny, > > > >Please stop insulting my friends. Thank you. I'm not insulting anyone Iain. I'm just putting forward a few salient facts about B7. Facts that a number of people on here don't want to face, but also can't disprove. If you want to try to counter these facts then go ahead, but don't try and intimidate me by sending emails like this. Thank you. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] We can't *all* be geniuses
by Jenny Kaye 16 May '01

16 May '01

Alison Page wrote: > >Jenny said - > > > > >>what the writer says goes. > > > >It doesn't correspond to the reality of the production process either. Yes it does. > >The 'writer' is in many ways the lowliest member of the production team, and > >the one most likely to be over-ruled. We are talking about B7 here. During that period the writer was king. Terry Nation created the series, he wrote the entire first season. It was script edited by Chris Boucher. If you take an original script and compare it to the episode you will see that the changes are insignificant. There is a joke to this effect in > >'Shakespeare in Love' for example (I know a joke isn't proof, but the joke > >was written by Harold Pinter, and he obviously felt it would have resonance > >with people watching the film). That was a film made in the 1990's, you quite clearly know very little about British television production during the 1970's. And Shakespeare in Love, however entertaining a film, is not a Shakespearian play either. There is going to be a screen-writers > >strike (well, actually I think it has been called off) in Hollywood, this > >summer, specifically about this very issue. So I've heard. Good for them. So literally millions of > >dollars > >are resting on the fact that no definitive answer has ever been provided to > >this issue. THIS IS FILM IN AMERICA 20 YEARS AFTER BLAKE'S 7 WAS MADE. > >In the realm of TV the situation is slightly different, IT WAS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. but if anything in > >a > >multi-authored production like B7 Season 1 was not multi-authored. we can be even less confident that the > >product represents a single unified vision, where all ends have been tied, > >and no ambiguity remains. Oh there are some ambiguities, but there are good reasons for that. If we manage to go through the entire four seasons together I'll point them out to everyone exactly what was happening. > >I think the relationship between script and finished product is a > >complicated one, whether we are talking about theatre, TV or film. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. The three are very different. The > >relationship between such finished product (play, TV show or whatever) and > >'truth' is also a very complex one. No, truth is very simple. > > These are my opinions. IMO if you like. No I don't like. > >You may disagree with my opinions, I disagree with them because you are wrong. but it is an objective fact that many > >informed people have over the years put forward a *range* of opinions. Yes, but using your criteria these books just contain a collection of letters on a page. > >There > >are hundreds of books on the subject. How many have you read? And how many were on British television of the 1970s, not American films? That is what I am emphasising, not my > >own particular opinion, That is not true, and it contradicts your "IMO" above. but that many different opinions exist, and have > >intellectual credence even among people who disagree with them. This is just waffle. > >So we are dealing with a situation where the very premises of debate: who > >is > >the auteur, who has control over the finished product, where does meaning > >rest (with the author or the viewer or elsewhere) are themselves far from > >being decided. More psycho conditioning. People avoid dealing with issues by pretending that the issues cannot be resolved. We don't have to dredge up all these heavy issues, every > >time > >we discuss Blake's 7 (thank god) By using IMO that's exactly what you are doing. By talking about B7 that is exactly what you are doing. we just have to be a bit tolerant of > >differences of opinion, because we have each of us built our case on > >shifting sands. That is simply not true, and all I have to do is look in my mail box (28 on this issue) to see that differences of opinion are frowned upon here. By hiding behind "IMO" and "my version" and saying that every version is valid, people are avoiding the real issue, which is how much reference these "versions" have to what is onscreen. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Space Fall
by M 16 May '01

16 May '01

> > > > > But isn't that what equality is all about? > > Jacqui > __________________________________________________________________ Actually when I saw it I thought he was speaking for both Jenna and Avon. Bringing up equality, though, I did find it particularly good. However just watched Orac and when Servalan screams, OK shes in danger, but then gets all upset. I think it would have been better if she'd got a gun and shot the creature. Then looked at it, at Travis and said some quip that was chilling to the bone and made Travis hurry up getting through the rocks. M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Re: [B7L] Re: Space Fall
by M 16 May '01

16 May '01

It's > also interesting that Jenna is sent over to the Liberator (and a high > assumed probability of death) with the two men without any comment either > from Leylan or, for that matter, from Blake. > Also when they're sent Blake says this is the other option to execution, so they have no quarms about killing a woman. I think on Blake's side he doesn't complain, because they might have killed her if he'd said she shouldn't go. M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Re: text and delivery
by Helen Krummenacker 16 May '01

16 May '01

> Jenny said of the unimportance of the actor's interpretation:He may emphasise the line in a particular way. This does not modify the > line. > "And that makes it all worthwhile." Avon really deeply relied on Vila's approval, and vice versa. Uh-huh.

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Re:Space Fall, Jenna's whisper
by Helen Krummenacker 16 May '01

16 May '01

> >RAIKER: Why make it hard on yourself? > > Raiker is smiling. He thinks he's made a conquest. After all, a woman > prisoner is a perk of the job. > > >JENNA: Why indeed? > >[Whispers something to Raiker] > > She stands back and smirks. > > >[Raiker slaps her across the face] > > I wonder what she said? My money is on "I'm a lesbian" :-) It gives a nice > double meaning to Raiker's next line: > Oh, I think an insult would fit better. Something like "As if you could make it hard on me." with emphasis on words making it clear she's questioning his manly functions. Or possibly saying how nice it is of him to volunteer to satisfy the male prisoners.

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