Blakes7 July 2001

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Re: Veron in the midfield
by Leia Fee 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

J MacQueen wrote... >>I'm not going to imagine Vila trying to convince Avon to go surfing... Na I'm sure Vila wouls get seasick. He'd probably just want to lay on the beach... watch the underclad girlies go by Leia

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Veron in the midfield
by Harriet Monkhouse 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

I keep doing double takes when I open the newspapers' sports pages and find that my football club is trying to sign Veron. That slip of a lass an international footballer... Maybe that's why Servalan was so interested. -- Harriet "There is a place for all at the rendezvous of victory." - Aime Cesaire

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Re: [B7L] Robert Holmes ... a few wandering musings
by Sally Manton 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

Mistral wrote: <I suppose Gambit is just having a friend.> Although it does have that nice little sting of Avon insisting Vila play Speed Chess rather than give up their winnings - it ain't betrayal like Orbit, but it's an interesting moment of expediency (I do think Avon truly believed that Vila was not in as much danger as all that, and that Orac was up to the challenge, but it still ain't nice). Holmes may have loved putting them together, but wasn't ever under any illusion about what they'd do for each other. <Though there's one line in Gambit that doesn't ring true - 'You dummy.' It's too flat and generic for me to take seriously> Oh but I think the tone of voice redeems it :-) Me: <(other episodes have good A-V in them - Volcano, Deliverance, City and Bounty, for starters - but aren't *built* around it).> and Mistral: <Heh. Well, would *you* say that a good A-B episode isn't important? ;-)> Hey, you're talking to someone who's built a whole argument around the two Blake references in Moloch and Rumours, which makes *them* A-B by my admittedly partisan standards ... yes, but there is A-B (Redemption, Pressure Point, Star One) and there is A-B (Duel, Deliverance, Weapon). <I think Bounty and Volcano both have significant A-V development.> Absolutely, but what I meant was it's a smaller *part* of the episode as a whole, <Without those two episodes, I'd be less inclined to interpret the relationship as mutual liking, and more as just being stuck on the same ship.> Up to Bounty, I think it was more the latter; the relationship does take a while to kick in. (BTW, Deliverance is good A-V as well IMO, Vila's gleeful teasing the whole way through is wonderful). My absolute favourite A-V *moment* is in fact in 'Blake' - that oddly gentle "you think you've found Blake" - which is IMO a single moment beautifully poised on everything that's gone before, including Orbit. But then 'Blake' does that on a range of levels ... <Shame on you, neglecting the really important one.> <grin> Can't think who you mean ... but yes, if he could survive being on Servalan's staff, he could survive a measley intergalactic war. <Well, the brown vinyl is a bit dodgy, but I love the blue leather. Oddly enough, I like it far better now I know it's blue than I did when I thought it was black. Black leather and studs is just so ... pedestrian.> The Terminal black-leather-n-studs is nice; the set Dorian buys for him is awful, but I explain it in my own mind as a sort of sartorial mixture of mourning and almost-armour, which fits his 4th series mindset. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Avon Club zines
by JEB31538＠cs.com 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

I am happy that Judith is offering the Avon Club zines for sale because that makes it easier for people not living in the UK to buy them. http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7/index.html I highly recommend a lot of them because quite often Blake gets a good part in the Avon Club zines. For Americans, if you do not mind sending American dollars cash, there is no problem in buying zines from Avon Club. That's the way I have bought all of mine. But if you mind sending cash, then Judith's site will be better for you. I have personally found Ann Bown, the lady in charge of Avon Club, to be very helpful in deciding which zines to buy. I just ask her if there's good Blake and if she says yes, then I buy the zine. And even though I am not an Avon fan nor a Paul Darrow fan, I do recommend the Avon Club newsletter which comes out regularly twice a year because normally there is some nice fiction in the newsletter. Also, I have bought some of the Avon Club coasters and some of the Paul Darrow calendars which are very well done. Avon Club accepts American cash without penalizing Americans so it's easy for Americans to buy things and, also, to join Avon Club. However, there is a big fee for American dollars checks. I don't know how people in other countries join, though I suspect you can send American or British cash. You do not have to be a member to buy things from Avon Club, however. AvonPDS(a)aol.com is the Email. http://www.avon-paul-darrow.co.uk is the website. If anyone who likes Blake wonders what Avon Club zines I have, I have the following zines. (Some Avon Club zines I have sold because they didn't have enough good blake, but I have no record of that. ) These are just the ones I have saved. Avon 1, 2, 10, 11, 13, 16, 17, and 20. Avon Special (I highly recommend this. A wonderful 20th anniversary zine that Avon Club put out in 1998. I was most impressed.) Standard by Seven: The Early Years (reprint zines) 1, 2, 3 and 5. Joyce

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Nexus
by Steve Rogerson 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

Nexus this coming weekend - hands up who's going -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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re: tarrant on TV
by Alison Page 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

I didn't video this unfortunately, and he was only on for a couple of minutes. I very much like the way British TV does trial reconstructions. I think it is less intrusive than filming trials live, but it makes very gripping drama. It must be quite a challenge for script-editor, director and actors. The turn-around is obviously very swift, and it must be a challenge to generate drama and characterisation from raw transcripts. In Pacey's case the challenge was exacerbated by the fact that he was representing a very dry academic sort of chap. I could see some continuity with Tarrant - that sort of stubborn 'like it or lump it' face that he puts up from time to time. Alison ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

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Re: [B7L] Reeve (was Robert Holmes...a few wandering musings)
by Sally Manton 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

Ellynne wrote: <After all, it's not like any guy could have faulted her sparkling personality, now could he?> I've always that that part of Servalan's calculated cruelty in 'Terminal' was to punish Avon for preferring loyalty to Blake over everything *she* could offer him ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Avon club zines
by Judith Proctor 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

The Avon club print around 20 of their own zines plus reprints of Standard by Seven and some zines by Ros Williams and Judith Seaman. These are all A5 digest zines and generally represent very good value for money as none of them are expensive. They're low on art, and not always perfect on the proof-reading, but some of them contain some excellent stories. It's been difficult to buy these in the past if you lived overseas because of the currency problem, but we're now agenting them via the Hermit web site, so you can order them by credit card. http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 We already have reviews of a few of the Avon zines, but would appreciate more if anyone has time to write them. I should add that the stories have a wide range - one of my favourite Vila stories of all time is in an Avon club zine. Judith PS. These are all gen zines - no adult material of any kind. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '03 21-23 Feb 2003 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Re: [B7L] Robert Holmes ... a few wandering musings
by Ellynne G. 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 21:52:43 -0000 "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> writes: > Mistral wrote: > <I suppose Gambit is just having a friend.> > > Although it does have that nice little sting of Avon insisting Vila > play > Speed Chess rather than give up their winnings - [snip] Holmes may have > loved > putting them together, but wasn't ever under any illusion about what > they'd > do for each other. I'm suddenly reminded of a number of male bonding moments in films. I don't understand them and I never will, but a great many successful movies seem to rest on the idea that friendship can be based on someone almost getting you killed in a callous fashion (did anyone see "Remember the Titans"? I'm still not sure what brought the team together when I thought they were about to start stomping each other). Why am I having this mental picture of Avon and Vila going out with Thelma and Louise? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Reeve (was Robert Holmes...a few wandering musings)
by Ellynne G. 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 22:02:01 -0000 "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> writes: > Stephen wrote: > <What was the business with Servalan coming over all moralistic > about the > fact that Reeve was a torturer, given the number of people who spent > time > reassuring her interrogators?> > > Oh but that's different, Stephen, it was in *her* personal best > interests > :-) > > She does have an oddly selective moralistic streak, does Servalan. I think Servalan sees what she does as serving a purpose. She's very self-centered, but it's like the self-centeredness of an absolute monarch. Her good is her kingdom's good (I think she may be capable of thinking the other way around, with the Federation's good coming first [there were hints of it in Star One] but I doubt she ever lets the impulse get carried away). She also sees torture for torture's sake as uncivilized and low. Torture to punish the deserving, to extract information, to set an example, that's all good. Actually, never let it be said that I've set a limit to how low that woman might sink, but she's convinced she's more civilized and just as convinced _her_ motivations make sense. Why not? Some of the worst monsters in history have been, by their own standards, very civilized and sophisticated. > And given > her reaction to Krantor's Freedom City, one wonders if [a] she knew > exactly > *who* ran Space City, [b] she - errr - 'inherited' Space City along > with the > presidency and [c] she closed it down with a high-minded sniff > about sewers Oh, no, Space City served a purpose and fed largely off of lower grade sorts she couldn't have cared less about - their degeneracy would only support Federation prejudices (this is what happens with 'freedom' sort of stuff). I think it really bothered her that 1) Freedom City had customers from her own class, and 2) It did nothing beneficial for the Federation. Then again, maybe this is where she lost a certain ex-boyfriend found dead in Sand. He must have dumped her because of a bad environment. After all, it's not like any guy could have faulted her sparkling personality, now could he? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Blakes7 July 2001