Blakes7 January 2002

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RE: [B7L] RE: B7 Parents
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 31 Jan '02

31 Jan '02

Sally M wrote: > Nico wrote: > "Perhaps during the long interim times (e.g. when they followed > Servalan for weeks ('Moloch') they put their feet up and > talked desultorily of their pasts, homes, family," > > <g> can't you just hear it? Vila's reminiscences can't be > trusted An aside--why do people think this? He's very honest about being a thief, and doesn't tell tall stories. I think what we hear about him is quite consistent. He was a Delta (he never claimed otherwise), he was in the JD wards and at least one other penal colony. I see the ignorance rating (4th or 5th grade) as separate from the Delta grading. I don't see why Space Command wouldn't draft Deltas into their ranks (most would probably be quite eager--join Space Fleet and see the galaxy--and we saw some officers who were probably lower grades e.g. S2 Travis), and Vila certainly had the intelligence (if not the courage or inclination) to be an officer. I can see that he'd buy an ignorance rating (as opposed to grading) which would disqualify him. I can see Vila rabbiting on about anything under the suns except his personal life. I think he's as private as Avon in his way but uses a different strategy (a very successful one) to deflect interest). > Avon thinks it's none of *their* business. Absolutely! He might listen to the others though without acknowledging his interest. Dayna's would be soporific (50 different ways to kill Sarrans) Poor Dayna wouldn't have much to talk about. Did they even get viscasts on Sarran? > the others learn fast that the words "my people have a saying" is > a good cue to find something important to do at the other end of > the ship), And I'd react the same way much as I like Cally. > Tarrant finds it hard to remember to avoid > the words "when I was in the FSA" LOL! > And the poor dears don't even have the weather. Oh, no? Blake: That was a pretty severe meteor storm. Vila: Not as bad as that one you made us go through on the way to Destiny. Made me sick to the stomach. Gan: You shouldn't have eaten a whole packet of biscuits just before it, Vila. Jenna: You think that was bad? Let me tell you about the time I was smuggling black gold for the Amagons. In one trip we hit meteor storms, black holes, a supernova that wasn't on the charts, and a really thick nebula--visibility was down to 5000 spacials. Cally: My people tell stories of clouds which slowly digest spaceships. Vila: If you're trying to scare me, Cally--you're succeeding. Avon: Yes, well. Some people will believe anything. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Ensor and Tarriel cells
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 31 Jan '02

31 Jan '02

Another possibility A technology as advanced as the System's would probably be able to create spaceships smaller than 'Deep Space Vessels' which were capable of reaching Federation territory: they would want to know about potential threats, new technology etc. It would be necessary for suitable cover to be provided to disguise the point of origin of such ships (the equivalent of the Ortega and the Scorpio) and their crews. Ensor and Avon are both 'inherently highly able with technology' and as I suggested in an earlier email, this might be why they left/were removed from the System if they did come from it - better exile than Alta-zation. Ensor thus has the use of both System and Terran backgrounds to create the tarriel cells - which he does at a much younger age than would otherwise be possible (and he does have the benefits of seeing things from outside). (Probably the same argument could be used with Avon and his development of the teleport system in 'Trial' - he has worked on the Aquitar project). Orac is developed as a 'jumped up search engine' and computer (and the rumours Servalan mentions in 'Deliverance' probably arise from traces such as are left in 'Traitor' - and being a 'curious computer' persuades Ensor to give him information about the System's computers. If Ensor could get access to his original System-based ship this would not be difficult (perhaps Orac's flyer is a piece of System technology). (As a possibility in SF generally - would the names of 'most' inhabited planets and their systems be the 'local language' equivalent of 'Earth'/'Home Planet'/'Our Solar System'?) Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: [B7L] Re: Jarrigoths again
by J MacQueen 31 Jan '02

31 Jan '02

>From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson(a)mcr1.poptel.org.uk> >Harriet said: > >I don't think I've *got* any pictures of Og. >Do you want some? Steve obviously has one of those trenchcoats you see in cartoons, where the wearer says, "Psst! Want some [whatever the merchandise is}?" I'm not sure I want to know what else in those pockets. Regards Joanne (well, it might be Gollum...) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Re: Jarrigoths again
by Steve Rogerson 31 Jan '02

31 Jan '02

Harriet said: >I don't think I've *got* any pictures of Og. Do you want some? -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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RE: [B7L] RE: B7 Parents
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 30 Jan '02

30 Jan '02

"Sally M" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Fun topic though this is, it does raise a rather more serious point in the >way Our Heroes' family bonds in the series seem to be almost completely >absent, strangely sterile, or violently fractured. Yes, they are probably >an atypical group - mostly criminals, misfits and outsiders - but it's still >striking how rare the 'normal' bonds that make up families (both of blood >and of choice) are ... > >Deeta and Del Tarrant seem to be attached to one another, but at no stage >during their long separation does it appear that either make the slightest >effort to keep contact with or locate the other. This is echoed in Blake, >who was fond enough of Inga to risk his life for her, but never tried to >contact Ushton, for many years having thought he was dead (we don't find out >why he thought this). His brother and sister, whom he cared about enough to >break conditioning to get news of them, he believed to be on the Outer >Planets and sending news a couple of times a year; he obviously lives alone >(something that appears to be true for Avon, at least, as well). > >Jenna's mother, Blake's siblings, Gan's partner, Avon's brother - none of >them are mentioned more than once, not even mentioned by name *that* once. >Chatterbox Vila never mentions a single family tie; in fact, from the >admittedly-to-be-treated-with-caution evidence he gives, he seems to have >been pretty much alone and involved in crime from a young age. > >Then there is the violence. Blake's family was murdered, then falsely >reincarnated by the state. Cally came from a background where cloning was >combined with a family unit (she mentions her mother and father in Harvest >of Kairos) but is isolated from them by her 'banishment', then loses her >entire people in Children of Auron, including the one she was clearly >closest to (Cally's reaction to Zelda's death is a small but beautifully >understated moment). Then there are the two with families - Dayna and >Soolin - who lose them in violence, as Blake unknowingly did. This trend is >echoed in the number of broken families (the Tarrants being another one, >with no mention of why they separated or what if anything happened to their >parents) we see. > >The combined image is one of an enclosed society of people living in >isolation from others, without partners, children or families, or with >fragile or broken ties to the families they do have. Which may impact on >the question of what sort of parents/partners they would be - if they have >lived all their lives in a society where normal family relationships are >almost *ab*normal, would those they form themselves be somehow twisted by >it? > > One gets the feeling that perhaps the group would work as a family with someone saying to the children (preferrably old enough to be 'of use and practical with it.') 'just because they don't say they care doesn't mean that they do' Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Stratford Johns
by Harriet Monkhouse 30 Jan '02

30 Jan '02

Sure someone has picked this up already, but I hear on the news that Stratford Johns - Belkov - has reached the end of the game. -- Harriet "Nox est perpetua una dormienda." - Catullus V

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RE: B7 Parents
by Sally M 30 Jan '02

30 Jan '02

Fun topic though this is, it does raise a rather more serious point in the way Our Heroes' family bonds in the series seem to be almost completely absent, strangely sterile, or violently fractured. Yes, they are probably an atypical group - mostly criminals, misfits and outsiders - but it's still striking how rare the 'normal' bonds that make up families (both of blood and of choice) are ... Deeta and Del Tarrant seem to be attached to one another, but at no stage during their long separation does it appear that either make the slightest effort to keep contact with or locate the other. This is echoed in Blake, who was fond enough of Inga to risk his life for her, but never tried to contact Ushton, for many years having thought he was dead (we don't find out why he thought this). His brother and sister, whom he cared about enough to break conditioning to get news of them, he believed to be on the Outer Planets and sending news a couple of times a year; he obviously lives alone (something that appears to be true for Avon, at least, as well). Jenna's mother, Blake's siblings, Gan's partner, Avon's brother - none of them are mentioned more than once, not even mentioned by name *that* once. Chatterbox Vila never mentions a single family tie; in fact, from the admittedly-to-be-treated-with-caution evidence he gives, he seems to have been pretty much alone and involved in crime from a young age. Then there is the violence. Blake's family was murdered, then falsely reincarnated by the state. Cally came from a background where cloning was combined with a family unit (she mentions her mother and father in Harvest of Kairos) but is isolated from them by her 'banishment', then loses her entire people in Children of Auron, including the one she was clearly closest to (Cally's reaction to Zelda's death is a small but beautifully understated moment). Then there are the two with families - Dayna and Soolin - who lose them in violence, as Blake unknowingly did. This trend is echoed in the number of broken families (the Tarrants being another one, with no mention of why they separated or what if anything happened to their parents) we see. The combined image is one of an enclosed society of people living in isolation from others, without partners, children or families, or with fragile or broken ties to the families they do have. Which may impact on the question of what sort of parents/partners they would be - if they have lived all their lives in a society where normal family relationships are almost *ab*normal, would those they form themselves be somehow twisted by it? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Stratford Johns
by Steve Rogerson 30 Jan '02

30 Jan '02

Just heard on telly that Stratford Johns (Belkov in Games) has died. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Jarrigoths again
by Helen Atkins 30 Jan '02

30 Jan '02

Sally said "No, of course Carnell isn't hideous, but he's nothing to get enthused about. Jarriere is waaaayyyy more appealing." ............................................... Are you sure being a Jarrigoth isn't some kind of tribal initiation rite substitute? Seriously? He's such an obscure character that even knowing who he *is* denotes that you're a serious (? not the right word, I know!) B7 fan, thus making identification so much easier. Getting enough people interested to make it worthwhile for someone to produce Jarriere models is surely some kind of accomplishment. (Getting them to stand up straight with that snoz is also testament to the accomplishment of the model-maker.) PS Dear Jarrigoths, No more pictures of Og off-lyst, please. Regards, Helen. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Ashton Press on the move
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 30 Jan '02

30 Jan '02

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