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Re: [B7L] Looking Through the Archives
by Marian de Haan 04 Feb '02

04 Feb '02

Mel Saxby wrote: >Spent a large part of the weekend wandering through the list archives. Fascinating to read past discussions, and fun to imagine the contributions I might have made to some of them had I been a Lyst member at the time. Does anyone else ever do this?< Yes, and I still enjoy the discussions reading through them a second or third time. I also went through them before joining, so I knew exactly what I was getting myself into :-) Of course, as an archivist I have a certain affinity for archives and I'm very grateful to Calle for keeping the Lyst archives available, even if they bear witness to some of my more dimmer moments. Marian

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Looking Through the Archives
by Mel Saxby 04 Feb '02

04 Feb '02

Spent a large part of the weekend wandering through the list archives. Fascinating to read past discussions, and fun to imagine the contributions I might have made to some of them had I been a Lyst member at the time. Does anyone else ever do this? Mel "So, I'm not alone after all." Avon, Horizon. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 1/2/02

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by JEB31538＠cs.com 03 Feb '02

03 Feb '02

I'm a member of the Texas m/m fan club Several Unlimited and every year they sell used zines. (This used to be a Blake's 7 club.) If you are interested in them selling your zines on commission and live in the United States, contact them. If you are interested in buying used zines, then April 1st check out their internet zine sale. Definitely visit them early on April lst or 2nd as the hot items sell quickly. However, the sale is for the entire month of April. They do sell items overseas. Joyce -----The following is part of their announcement. ________________________________________________________________________ If you're interested in buying or selling fanzines or media items (from the A-Team to the X-Files) through the Internet Fanzine Sale, please check our website for more information at http://members.aol.com/erikaf/su/ Or e-mail us at: Carolyn O'Neal Coneal(a)cs.com Jamie Ritchey jritrph(a)aol.com Erika Frensley President, Several Unlimited Please forward this announcement to your fannish friends.

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Re: How long did the series take place? - Ten Years Real Time.
by seven＠gaudaprime.com 03 Feb '02

03 Feb '02

David >> Here is an argument for ten years' real time you might like to look at... Nico > So how much perceived time from the POV of the crew would you say? 4 years plus the 8 months to CA, making it around 5? David Jenna's Point-of-View has 4 months (and 1-4 days) to Cygnus Alpha; one year to the raid on Earth Central Control eighty days to Star One. Vila's Point-of-View has 8 months to Cygnus Alpha; one year to the raid on Earth Central Control; ninety days to Star One; one year to Terminal; one month to Star Drive; four months for Avon's anti-Pylene alliance to gather and crumble; one or two days to Gauda Prime. Tentatively (since I change this a lot lately) Servalan's Point-Of-View has 40 months to Cygnus Alpha; eighteen months to the rendezvous with Kasabi during the raid on Earth Central Control; on average a month each for Trial, Hostage, Voice, Gambit, Keeper, and Aftermath; one year to Terminal; three and a half years to the killing of Zukan. David >> (snipped Destiny's Flight time: 010; Elapsed: 090) Nico > I never noticed that. When the London took 8 months to get to CA, was that 8 months elapsed or perceived? David It was perceived. Elapsed was, according to the argument upthread, forty months. It was perceived as eight months by three at least from Way Back Guard: Alright, come on. Move. Keep moving. Come on faster. Vila: It is going to be a very, very long eight months I am telling you. Guard: Keep your voice down. Find the seat that is allocated to you. Sit in it. Fasten the harness. Someone: Do you know how to work these harnesses? Vila: You just stick it in here. Guard: Keep your voices down. Vila: It is going to be a very, very, very long eight months. Guard: You, fasten the harness. You, down in the front. That is your seat. Come on, move. You, stop talking. Fasten your harness. from Space Fall Raiker: The voyage to Cygnus Alpha will take approximately eight months ship time. from Cygnus Alpha Leylan: We have ground zero contact. All off. ... I will programme the computer for the return. We lift off in D plus thirty. Artix: Thirty minutes? Sir, we have been in space now for eight months. I wouldn't mind stretching my legs a little. Vila and Raiker before, and Artix after, the trip, all perceived it as eight months long. David >> from Aftermath Hal Mellanby: Blake and the Liberator? I have been hearing reports for the last couple of years. Nico > But as this is the start of the third season, this would also be consistent with a year a season. David >> The above data give the following chart... Nico > Sorry, but as this got to me in a variable font with the columns all confused, I couldn't understand it properly. David I use charts occasionally. In the archive the web lays them out nicely. Nico > How much time passes from Vila's POV from Blake's trial to Blake's death? Is my assumption of 5 about right? David Five years will do nicely. I do not ask you to change your <Vila's emails>. My best guess is: Three years, four months (8+12+3+12+1+4=40 mos.). This happens to be the time the Federation perceived for the voyage to Cygnus Alpha. Nico > This could certainly explain why Blake looks so much older at the end. David It would and does. I didn't realise he looked older. My Sleer is even older, I bet. It is a huge advantage to her, as it is to anyone in a Faster-than-Light society, to have a fast ship. DC

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RE: Re: [B7L] Exit Visas Again
by Sally M 03 Feb '02

03 Feb '02

Two theories ... 1. It was a blank piece of paper that he's whiling away the hours (days ...) by designing a computer system of some sort. 2. It's the circuitry for the running log, supplied to him by Raiker as part of the dump-the-prisoners plan ... though he's thought better of it, he keeps the paper [a] to keep Raiker et al uncertain as to his intent, and [b] as a sort of talisman ("Maybe I could still do this ...") _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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RE: Re: [B7L] Exit Visas Again
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 02 Feb '02

02 Feb '02

"Nico Mody-Nikoloff" <nico(a)farsight.co.nz> wrote: >Dana Shilling wrote: > >> Possibly the bit of paper in SpaceFall >> is the passport photograph of Anna >> Avon would have had to bring but never >> got to use on her exit visa. > >A lovely idea. I've always wondered what that was. > >But I vaguely remember Avon's paper being folded up, and not as stiff as a >photo would be. I could well be wrong--I've often found I am on reviewing an >ep. > >Nico Plasticised paper perhaps? Would it then be the picture that is used in ROD? Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re:how long did the series take place?
by Mel Saxby 02 Feb '02

02 Feb '02

Nyssa asked: Was it a four year fight, the same with real time, or did we just see the highlights? I usually think of it lasting about five years all told, roughly eighteen months between Way back and Star One, and likewise between Star One and Blake. Between episodes they get on with ordinary life - as much as it can be 'ordinary', or have adventures that just didn't happen to be recorded by the Beeb. Some episodes are clearly separated by a fair length of time, when they're off doing other things, like DoG, where Tarrant promises Groff to take a message to his family on Zaranah. Mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 1/2/02

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Re: Exit Visas Again
by Mel Saxby 02 Feb '02

02 Feb '02

When we first see Avon he is wearing what I presume are his own clothes. Perhaps these were brought in by his brother (or maybe Del Grant, and that's when he managed to threaten to kill Avon is they ever met again). The 'bit of paper' may have been in his pocket, notes on some piece of technical data he'd been working on when he last wore that particular set of clothes, shoved in his pocket and forgotten about, and that was overlooked somehow when he went aboard the London. Later on, he found it, and used it to distract himself. From the glimpse you get of it during 'Spacefall', I'd say it was a circuit diagram of some description. That's how I explain it to myself, anyhow. in the context of the episode, it can't have been anything to do with Anna, as I doubt she'd been invented by the writer at that point. I could be wrong, though. Does anyone know if Terry Nation had developed Avon's back story to that degree at this early point in the series? Mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 1/2/02

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Exit Visas Again
by Dana Shilling 02 Feb '02

02 Feb '02

Possibly the bit of paper in SpaceFall is the passport photograph of Anna Avon would have had to bring but never got to use on her exit visa. -(Y)

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Re: How long did the series take place? - Ten Years Real Time.
by seven＠gaudaprime.com 02 Feb '02

02 Feb '02

The Lovely-Named Nyssa asked Was it a four year fight, the same with real time, or did we just see the highlights? David Here is an argument for ten years' real time you might like to look at. It comes at a time when I am trying to bring Kasabi and Blake together in a fic in preparation for their raid on Earth Central Control. They use different calendars. First, though, a question: How long had the Ortega's journey been by the time Blake, Cally and Avon arrived on board? from Mission Kendall: I don't understand any of this. First the trouble with the communicators, and now sabotage. Cally: What happened to the communicators? Kendall: Just after we started back on the return trip, there was a burnout in the main circuits. Grovane, the communications officer, thought the damage couldn't be accidental. Apparently, all the safety circuits were still intact - they had been bypassed somehow. It is still not working. The impression I get is the journey is only a week or two old. This is borne out in the first line of the programme by the pilot's tracking of time: Log entry 143 Flight time: 010; Elapsed: 090. Flight time is ten days, but at ninety days, elapsed time is nine times longer than flight time, than ship time, than real time. Before the sabotage, the Ortega was travelling at nine distortions of time, would be one way of looking at it. The London's sub-commander calls attention to a similar phenomenon: "The journey will take eight months ship-time" at Time Distort five. What would be eight months flight time, will really be forty months real time (ie. 8*5=40; see post 50613). When Leylan sent his report that the Liberator was salvaged by the three, the Federation received it immediately and on a later date. Leylan sent it four months after Blake's second trial; the Federation received it immediately one year and eight months (=20 mos. = 4*5) after the trial. Let Blake's trial take place on 252-06-08, where the year is 252, the month, six, and the day, eight. from Aftermath Hal Mellanby: Blake and the Liberator? I have been hearing reports for the last couple of years. from StarDrive Orac: At the time of the Federation's collapse, the doctor was developing a new space drive system ... Plaxton: How I ever came to be mixed up with a bunch of psychopathic killers ... It was three years ago, Napier. from Orbit Sleer: Ten years ago I risked my position to help you continue your work. The above data give the following chart Event F.S.T. Vila Time Jenna Time ----- ------ --------- ---------- Servalan helps Egrorian escape 251-MM-DD Blake's Second Trial 252-06-08 252-06-08 252-06-08 Leylan's Report sent / rec'd 253-02-08 252-10-08 252-10-08 At Cygnus Alpha 254-10-08 253-02-08 252-10-09 Earth Central Control is raided ? 254-02-08 253-10-09 Star One (say, one week before Hal Mellanby) 256-10-01 Plaxton leaves Space Drive Research Centre 256-10-01 Mellanby has read of Blake and Lib. two years 256-10-08 Pindar Time Plaxton fits her Drive to Scorpio 259-10-01 ----------- Egrorian dies after ten years 261-MM-DD 320-MM-DD Calendar in YYY-MM-DD Format FST = Federation Standard Time Both Plaxton and Mellanby were planet-bound for bulk of their time. Since Vila time is always behind FST, Egrorian's death must be after Vila's last date, and probably well after it; eg. late 261 / early 262. This is some ten years after Blake's second trial, and is perhaps reflected in Sleer's progressive ageing. DC http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=50613

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