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Fwd: RE: Fwd: [B7L] Vila and Bilbo
by Sally Manton 09 Oct '01

09 Oct '01

Jacqui wrote: <Would Avon be Sherlock Holmes (minus the seven percent solution)?> He might like to think he was (Mission to Destiny - one of the things I like about that one is he's clearly having so much fun *right* up until the moment they find the homing device and realise that this Cluedo game can get them killed) but he really isn't *that* logical and reasonable, poor dear. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: Fwd: [B7L] Vila and Bilbo
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 09 Oct '01

09 Oct '01

"Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Natasa wrote: ><It seems to me Mr Restal and Mr Baggins have much in common - they're both >'little men' thrown into danger against their will, and yet they're great >survivors.> > >One could argue that Vila is actually the main character of the series, >rather than either of My Heroes, when you think of it. He's the only one in >all the episodes, and he's by far the easiest to identify with (Gan may >actually *be* more Everyman, but Vila is way easier to empathise with, IMO). > ><I've just leafed through The Hobbit and found Bilbo complaining >about 'this wretched, tiresome, uncomfortable adventure'.> > ><grin> that sounds like my Vilakins, sure enough ("I'm really looking >forward to this. Danger, excitement, sudden death - I can't wait.") > > Would Avon be Sherlock Holmes (minus the seven percent solution)? Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: [B7L] Chronicles zine
by Louise Rutter 08 Oct '01

08 Oct '01

>>Does anyone have a current e-mail submission address for Chronicles? The >>address listed at Judith's site bounced back to me as undeliverable.< >The address is: awilliams(a)daikin.com.au Thanks, Marian Louise

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Arlen...Avon and weaknesses...
by Nathan Hook 08 Oct '01

08 Oct '01

One of the interesting things about Avon's character is that it's grounded in deductive non-emotive reasoning, rather like a machine, or "spock" dare I say it.( I always wanted to belt Spock....) The absence of this emotive influence creates the "impression" of Avon's infallibility, or at least everyone else being wrong. The voice of reason as compared to Blakes "fanaticism" Tarrants youthful precipitous action based braun, or Calley's empathy and ability to "feel". Avon: 'Wonderful. We have all the resources of Zen Orac and the Liberator and you "feel" that they are in trouble. You do not feel it, you reason it....' In S4 we see a shift in Avon's normally steel resolve and logic based methods of conduct to find Blake. I don't for a minute see him as infallible...this wouldn't be logical as he's human. "Brains but no heart", by all means, but not without making mistakes. It was Villa's instinct not to trust Tynus on "Q" base which alerted them to Tynus' betrayal. the fascinating element is his desire to seek out Blake again at considerable risk. The shift that would have been post "Blake" episodes would really have been interesting to see...the vision that Terry Nation and other writers would have had for our group. It certainly looks as though there was an attempt to expand the fight, to include and alliance of sorts and a bigger rebel network against the Ferderation military regime. for a low budget tv series it has wonderful sub strata plots and of course wicked character lines. someone made the point about Arlen not being a cadet...this makes sense. It takes a lot of training to be an undercover agent and the right psychological profile to "fit in" and inflitrate an organisation successfully. Ask the many damaged undercover police officers involved in cracking gang and drug cultures...I've heard anecdotal stories about New Zealand SAS agents in Ireland were liable for death if caught by the IRA. Spot the accent and particular insult someone from NZ or Australia would belong to a British unit hated.... OFF TOPIC. well the americans/Brits are bombing Kabul...I wonder if the US or the west will ever be the same again? nathan Nothings so difficult as a beginning/ In poesy, unless perhaps the end. Byron. ------------------------------------------------------------ Free, BeOS-friendly email accounts: http://BeMail.org/ BeOS News and Community: http://www.BeGroovy.com/

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Fwd: [B7L] Vila and Bilbo
by Sally Manton 08 Oct '01

08 Oct '01

Natasa wrote: <It seems to me Mr Restal and Mr Baggins have much in common - they're both 'little men' thrown into danger against their will, and yet they're great survivors.> One could argue that Vila is actually the main character of the series, rather than either of My Heroes, when you think of it. He's the only one in all the episodes, and he's by far the easiest to identify with (Gan may actually *be* more Everyman, but Vila is way easier to empathise with, IMO). <I've just leafed through The Hobbit and found Bilbo complaining about 'this wretched, tiresome, uncomfortable adventure'.> <grin> that sounds like my Vilakins, sure enough ("I'm really looking forward to this. Danger, excitement, sudden death - I can't wait.") _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Provine and Central Control
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 08 Oct '01

08 Oct '01

In Countdown Blake says Provine was connected to Central Control. Provine appears to be in the 'same age group' as the others - but does not know where Central Control/Star One is. What exactly was his connection with CC/SO? Going by the information given in Pressure Point and Star One can one assume that persons at any intermediate 'holding point' for CC was 'treated' so they could not contact the rest of the Federation (apart from an 'emergency alarm')? My guess is that whatever the term 'Central Control' actually represented would have to be moved from 'Star One' when the extragalactic space program actually got going. Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Chronicles zine
by Louise Rutter 07 Oct '01

07 Oct '01

Does anyone have a current e-mail submission address for Chronicles? The address listed at Judith's site bounced back to me as undeliverable. Louise

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Vila and Bilbo
by Leia Fee 07 Oct '01

07 Oct '01

Natasa wrote... >It's also interesting to observe how they both struggle to overcome their >selfishness and cowardice before they set out to help others, although >Vila, unlike Bilbo, doesn't always succeed. I think it's one of the things I like so much about Vila. He's a very human character with perfectly human failings. Sometimes he gets frightened and tired and cranky and drunk. Leia

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Literature on the Lyst
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 07 Oct '01

07 Oct '01

As it is fairly quiet on the Lyst, here is a tongue twister to start people off: Avuncular Avon avidly avoids affecting affection. Adaptations, variants and others to be added. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Vila and Bilbo
by Natasa Tucev 07 Oct '01

07 Oct '01

It seems to me Mr Restal and Mr Baggins have much in common - they're both 'little men' thrown into danger against their will, and yet they're great survivors. I've just leafed through The Hobbit and found Bilbo complaining about 'this wretched, tiresome, uncomfortable adventure'. They share love for food and drink and for safe, cosy places. (Although I was disappointed to find out that my memory was faulty. I was certain Bilbo got drunk with that wine in the cellars of the Wood-elves and he didn't!) Then, there's the curious fact that the dwarves enlist Bilbo for their Cause because they believe he's a master burglar. Besides, both Vilvo and Bilbo love toying with language and inventing rhymes and riddles - Bilbo's linguistic duel with Gollum is similar to Vila's with Ultraworld. It's also interesting to observe how they both struggle to overcome their selfishness and cowardice before they set out to help others, although Vila, unlike Bilbo, doesn't always succeed. N.

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