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Re: [B7L] Re: Brit-char-speak
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

In a message dated 2/28/01 4:27:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, julia.jones(a)jajones.demon.co.uk writes: (LEAH) << Until a few years ago, it was almost unheard of for an >American series or feature to end on a tragic note, without the inevitable >happily-ever-after. This was an almost exclusively British or Japanese >cultural phenomenon in entertainment media. This is one reason why the ending >at Gauda Prime was actually more devastating for American viewers than it was >for Brits. (JULIA) > And you were asking me what was obviously British about B7? :-)< The original question was whether or not the BLAKES 7 universe was a British universe and society, inhabited by descendants of the citizens of Britain. The format used for filming, and the style of storytelling might have some traits that are 'British', but they do not touch on or answer the original question in any way. They are *external*, part of the production values and techniques of the production crew who were British. (JULIA)>This is actually one of the things I had in mind. Much (not all) British sf has at the least a downbeat tone, the most obvious example other than B7 springing to my mind being 1984. The Doctor doesn't always win, either. It's something I can find off-putting about older American media sf, that there's always a neat resolution within 45 minutes, the good guys always win, you can tell who the good guys are.< (LEAH) This is what I meant in a recent post about the British scriptwriters having their own set of cliches (and I don't mean that in a negative way), which are simply very different from the set of cliches that Americans have grown up with...which is one of the reasons why everything British that we get to see often seems fresh and original.

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Rontane Update
by Fiona Moore 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

In the hope that tempers have cooled enough to make a humourous take on February's online events a non-controversial possibility, here's a new chapter in the Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane: http://redrival.com/nyder/rontane8.html Fiona The Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane Availabe for Public Perusal at http://nyder.r67.net ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/1/01 10:45:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, ijc(a)bas.ac.uk writes: << > Apparently, there were a good number of fans who didn't know and didn't take > kindly to be the basis of someone's academic lab experiment. that seemed to me a very clear allegation of unethical practice. >> That was, by your own admission, your interpretation of something I said. I did not accuse Jenkins of being "unethical." If you want to interpret it that way, that's on your head, not mine. I will not have my words completely twisted. <<<Were these fans who had taken part in a study? If so, and they had problems with it, that still suggests unprofessional conduct on the studier's part -- and that's something which should be discussed explicitly, not left as a vague insinuation. If they weren't part of a study, they can stop whining.>>> I have no idea. I can only comment on what other fans SAID when the books came out and on what I personally experienced. Since I have already done that, I'm not going to repeat myself. And I'm not going to get into yet *another* pissing match over something so stupid. But, I repeat, I will NOT have my words twisted into something they are not. Annie

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Rontane Update
by Rita d' Orac 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Fiona Moore (nydersdyner(a)yahoo.co.uk) wrote: > In the hope that tempers have cooled enough to make a > humourous take on February's online events a > non-controversial possibility, here's a new chapter > in the Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane: Wow - a "wobblevision" version of the Lyst! Thanks Fiona, I'd been putting off catching up on the February stuff cos it looked so daunting and large, but now you've summarised it so nicely for me... ===== rita d'orac "If you think of this mouse as a space captain..." http://www.vilaworld.com ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Rontane Update
by Fiona Moore 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Mac4781＠aol.com 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Fiona wrote: > And IMO, to accuse a social scientist of treating > people like lab rats is probably the single worst > insult you can give them-- I don't know if Carol quite > realized that when she accused me of doing this (and > on my downtime, too). I thought we were having a "discussion." To you it was an accusation. To me it was trying to explain why you got the brusque responses you did. You thought I accused you of something. I thought you overreacted. Two different perceptions that were at odds. And apparently still are at odds. Which is fine. I'm content to let it rest at that. But if you feel it requires further discussion, I'm happy to oblige. Contact me off list. Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] Horizon and Redemption
by Julie Oppenheimer 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

> >Susan Beth wrote: > > > Especially when your target is a woman who was majorly responsible for > > producing a Con that so many Lyst members have just finished enjoying, >and > > who has done many other things to benefit fans and fandom for years and > > years. > >Well said, Susan Beth. And Courtney and Neil and others who have spoken up. > >It occurred to me this morning that the women (Diane, Annie, Judith) who >have >been under attack are three of the fans who have contributed the most to B7 >over the years. I certainly appreciate all of their contributions. > Just because they have contributed to fandom in the past it doesn't mean that they should not to be taken on about some of their other actions. Diane Gies is not alway right, true, I've heard she can have a nasty tempter, but she kept the fan club going for twenty years and although I don't agree with her on many things she still acts as a strong apposing force to the more unpleasent areas of fandom. Fans should have respect for the actors and doing pornographic drawing of them in various positions of sexual activity is an abuse of fan power. The question you have to ask yourself is "Would I like it done to me?" You know what the answer is. Julie _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Horizon and Redemption
by Julie Oppenheimer 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Tavia said- >Please please please for the sakes of Everyone's sanity can we kill this >'discussion' ? > >It is utterly pointless to discuss matters between two people neither of >whom are on this list. Not to mention exceptionally dull. > What does it matter if they are not on the lyst? Avon isn't on the lyst be we talk about him all the time. Besides Judith Proctor is on the lyst and so my point about her being as bright as a plank of wood is a good one. Why don't we all ring up Steven Grief next and ask him how he would feel about appearing in some pornographic drawing with Brian Croucher? Would it count as self abuse? Julie Julie _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Hurt/Comfort and all that
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/1/01 7:13:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, salma_106(a)hotmail.com writes: << Well Done Annie, and God Bless America for allowing us to drown ourselves in all that porn. And it hasn't harmed us at all has it? >> Don't get me started. It's a pet peeve of mine that, largely thanks to the dominant patriarchal religion, Western society regards sex between consenting adults to be an obscenity, but violence is perfectly acceptable and children may be exposed to tremendous amounts of it from a very young age. If this isn't completely twisted, I don't know what is. No one has yet explained to me why, in our society, an act of life and love is filthy and needs to be censored, and acts of death and destruction are cool entertainment. Even the bible was full of both. Leah

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Re: [B7L] Horizon and Redemption
by Julie Oppenheimer 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

> >From: Julie Oppenheimer <salma_106(a)hotmail.com> > > > Why > > don't we all ring up Steven Grief next and ask him how he would feel >about > > appearing in some pornographic drawing with Brian Croucher? Would it >count > > as self abuse? Neil said- >Why ask us? You seem to be the expert on the subject. > Takes one to know one Neil! Julie _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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