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Re: Original plans for B7 season 5 and a new series
by Mel Saxby 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

Nico wrote: Tony Attwood may be putting out a special edition of 'Afterlife', and perhaps a sequel. Aarggh!! No offence to Tony Attwood, but I thought 'Afterlife' was absolutely horrible, and bore very little relation to either characters or series as most fans viewed them even at the time. It might have been interesting as an original novel, without Avon and Vila, but as B7 it failed very badly. I bought it with high hopes, years ago when it first came out, and was deeply disappointed No trace of how Avon might be dealing with shooting his best friend in a tragic misunderstanding, or the loss of his crew. No sense at all of the man who stood protectively over Blake's body at Gauda Prime. I didn't expect a total emotional wallow, but some indication of feeling would have been nice. It just didn't work at all for me. Mel Saxby --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.306 / Virus Database: 166 - Release Date: 12/4/01

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Re: [B7L] Mary-Sue
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

In a message dated 12/29/01 8:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, feste(a)brandywine.net writes: << >I've also come across Peggy-Sue Servalan in the Bizarro zines. Is this a >variation on the theme? Mind you, the Bizarro stories seem to have a lot of >fans and writers lurking lightly-disguised in them. >> No, actually the first name "Peggy Sue" was picked for Servalan's first name because we thought it would be an unlikely surprise....sheerly for contrast against her image. Whatever else a fan might guess about Servalan, they probably wouldn't expect the sort of wholesome, corn-fed, middle-america type name a gal in the 50's was likely to be given. In all the 30-(very)-odd Bizarro 7 stories that I and Annie wrote, we mocked a great variety of things, all the way from the alleged charges against Blake to fanon to fanzine bootleggers...but we never parodied Mary Sue. I've come to the conclusion that a Mary Sue is the entre' most fans invent for the first story, the inspiration to attempt their first fanfiction being a compulsion to inject themselves into the universe they've fallen in love with, via a story. In the guise of an infallible, souped-up version of themselves, they become admirable and worthy of interacting with their hero(s). They are seldom aware that it's uncommon for any other fan reader to enjoy the result except themselves. Once the Mary-Sue is exorcized from their keyboard, things generally improve from that point forward. Leah

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Re: Self-insertion (was Re: [B7L] Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #787 - 11 msgs)
by Helen Atkins 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

Thanks for the Mary-Sue links, and Tim, thanks for your comment- >Seriously. Role-playing is the ultimate in collaborative self-insertion This was quite an eye-opener for me. My husband was a semi-professional games master for a while, and played many different parties in the same "world". Some of them inevitably ran into each other. We were always amazed at the way people would cheerfully fly interstate for the privilege of hiding in the next room to other people they'd never met, so they could be present at the launch of some particularly devious double-cross (some even insisting that the "event" be taped), and the way real-world relationships could be strained by an in-game betrayal. I think you've helped me understand this a little better. And speaking as a techie, I don't think I ever want to play a magic-user again... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Spelling query
by Sally M 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

Nicola wrote: <I've decided on 'tarial' instead of 'tarriel' or 'tariel' cells, but which is the accepted spelling of the following?> I go for tarial, mostly. Unless I forget :-) <Is it: Zonda, Keezarn, Kerril and Malodar as on Judith's site and in the Sevencycopaedia or: Zondar, Kezarn, Kerrill and Malodaar as I've seen elsewhere on the web and in some zines?> IMO, it's Zondar, Keezarn, Kerrill and Malodaar. For the etymologically sound and technically inarguable reason that I think they look nicer :-) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: [B7L] Mary-Sue
by Sally M 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

Nico wrote: <I'm basically adding her because I think it stretches probability too much to use existing characters like Jenna (so Blake lied about her death) or Avalon (though I am using her in one story) or a miraculously saved Cally. And the crew *are* going to meet new people, stands to reason (she says, desperately).> Absolutely. And a good number of the rebels in the series *are* women. I find it helps to base original characters on real (preferably not too pretty*) people I know, at least physically - it makes it less likely that I'll idealise them or morph them into myself. Though there are always *bits* of oneself in nearly character one writes, I think - certainly those that I work hard on. Even the crew (my version of Vila's voice is decidedly different from other people's, the rhythms and words and ideas, because they have to come from *my* rhythms and words and ideas). It's probably more noticeable when the characters is entirely your own creation, but there's nothing wrong with that. <Mind you, I've also created Vila's mother, and she's rather like mine. Is there a term for that? :-)> That depends on how nicely or otherwise you'd describe your mother <veg> Sally *though, as I have noted, there *are* no ugly revolutionaries in space ... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Mary-Sue
by feste＠brandywine.net 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

>Excuse my ignorance; I've only been in fandom a few months, but can someone >tell me about Mary-Sue? I guessed a while back that it was self-insertion, >usually wishful thinking (going by the few stories I encountered her in), >but was why Mary-Sue? Was there an original Mary-Sue who wrote one? You're right in your definition of Mary Sue; Paula Smith apparently first used the name in a brief parody she wrote in Trek fandom years ago. I wrote about The Dear Girl in an essay at http://www.merrycoz.org/papers/MARYSUE.HTM >I've also come across Peggy-Sue Servalan in the Bizarro zines. Is this a >variation on the theme? Mind you, the Bizarro stories seem to have a lot of >fans and writers lurking lightly-disguised in them. And, aren't they fun? feste feste(a)brandywine.net "Figs are sweet, but fictions are sweeter." -- William Makepeace Thackeray

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RE: Re: [B7L] Where to publish?
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

Kathryn Andersen <kat_lists(a)katspace.com> wrote: >On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 04:51:42PM -0500, jacquispeel(a)netscape.net wrote: >> "Sally M" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> ><grin> you're too kind, but then you haven't *seen* the half-finished >> >burbles on my half-drive (or still in my head) that I mentioned. Though I >> >still have a fondness for the blatant Mary-Sue fantasy (unwritten, of course >> >- doesn't everyone have at least one?) where the Original Female Character >> >(small, round, clutzy, absent-minded, makes Vila look brave) loses Orac's >> >key, breaks her teleport bracelet, loses her teleport bracelet, loses all >> >the teleport bracelets, breaks Orac, loses Avon, breaks *Zen*, loses the >> >entire crew ... and never does recall the vital piece of information which >> >both the good guys and the bad guys are trying to get from her :-) >> > >> >> >> I would say that she is not a Mary Sue, but a different sort of >> character perhaps? > >Yes, it isn't a Mary Sue, that's a "self insertion" character. > >The classic Mary Sue is too perfect to be true. > >Kathryn Andersen Do it right & it could be spoof (think 'Naked Gun') Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Mary-Sue
by Nico Mody-Nikoloff 29 Dec '01

29 Dec '01

Excuse my ignorance; I've only been in fandom a few months, but can someone tell me about Mary-Sue? I guessed a while back that it was self-insertion, usually wishful thinking (going by the few stories I encountered her in), but was why Mary-Sue? Was there an original Mary-Sue who wrote one? I've also come across Peggy-Sue Servalan in the Bizarro zines. Is this a variation on the theme? Mind you, the Bizarro stories seem to have a lot of fans and writers lurking lightly-disguised in them. Nico

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RE: [B7L] Where to publish?
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 29 Dec '01

29 Dec '01

"Sally M" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Nicola wrote: ><You amaze me! Star 4 is one of the zines I've bought, and I assumed from >your wonderful Christmas story in it, and those I've found on-line, that you >were a very experienced writer.> > ><grin> you're too kind, but then you haven't *seen* the half-finished >burbles on my half-drive (or still in my head) that I mentioned. Though I >still have a fondness for the blatant Mary-Sue fantasy (unwritten, of course >- doesn't everyone have at least one?) where the Original Female Character >(small, round, clutzy, absent-minded, makes Vila look brave) loses Orac's >key, breaks her teleport bracelet, loses her teleport bracelet, loses all >the teleport bracelets, breaks Orac, loses Avon, breaks *Zen*, loses the >entire crew ... and never does recall the vital piece of information which >both the good guys and the bad guys are trying to get from her :-) > I would say that she is not a Mary Sue, but a different sort of character perhaps? Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Where to publish?
by Sally M 29 Dec '01

29 Dec '01

Nicola wrote: <You amaze me! Star 4 is one of the zines I've bought, and I assumed from your wonderful Christmas story in it, and those I've found on-line, that you were a very experienced writer.> <grin> you're too kind, but then you haven't *seen* the half-finished burbles on my half-drive (or still in my head) that I mentioned. Though I still have a fondness for the blatant Mary-Sue fantasy (unwritten, of course - doesn't everyone have at least one?) where the Original Female Character (small, round, clutzy, absent-minded, makes Vila look brave) loses Orac's key, breaks her teleport bracelet, loses her teleport bracelet, loses all the teleport bracelets, breaks Orac, loses Avon, breaks *Zen*, loses the entire crew ... and never does recall the vital piece of information which both the good guys and the bad guys are trying to get from her :-) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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