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Xmas at Hermit
by Judith Proctor 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

The Christmas tree lights have just been switched on at http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 and we've uploaded a batch of new stories to the Library. I've just added my 'Justice' trilogy. (I nearly didn't upload this one because I kept getting the urge to go back and rewrite the first part. I knew a hell of a lot more about writing by the time I reached part three...) We've also recently added index entries for stories by M. Fae Glasgow, Willa Shakespeare, and others. Richard tells me that the Library as a whole just passed the 50,000 stories downloaded mark. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '03 21-23 Feb 2003 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Re: [B7L] Blake Bashing versus Avon worship
by Rita d' Orac 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

--- "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Mel said: > <I've been over to Louise and Simon's newish forum a few times. A lot of > lively discussions seem to be taking place. But I've noticed a strong bias > towards Avon, at the expense of Blake.> > > and Dana: > <It's all a matter of perspective - *I* think that L&S contains much > unjustified Avon-bashing.> > > Actually, I've found it rather disconcerting to go to lists/forums other > than the Lyst and FC - there *is* a lot more of the (what I find) > old-fashioned bashing and swooning going on :-) Maybe it's because this is a > <ahem> more mature list, and a lot of the regular posters have been here for > some time and have been there, done that (or never wanted to ;-)) More mature list??!! Regular posters have been here for some time??? It makes no difference how long a particular list has been going or how mature it is as I think you will find that Blake's 7 fans have the same average age and average maturity regardless of which list they post to. The posts on Louise and Simon's discussion forum may well reflect opinions not tolerated on this list, but that says more about those list members who insist on clamping down on discussions they feel uncomfortable with or regard as trivial than the overall maturity of the list.... in my opinion of course. > It *is* > very unusual to find Avon being scarified in a non-fictional sense ... but > Blake (along with Tarrant) *does* still draw the bulk of the unreasoned > battering (sorry Dana, but from the POV of someone who adores 'em both ...). ===== rita d'orac "If you think of this mouse as a space captain..." http://www.vilaworld.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Blooper in 'SLD' & speed in 'Stardrive'
by Jurgen van de Sanden 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Hi all, Does anybody have the blooper from the episode 'Seek-Locate-Destroy' featuring Jacqueline Pearce and Stephen Greif on tape? I'd love to have a copy. I know most of you don't like 'Stardrive' (Una perhaps?), but I have a question about this episode. What does the term 'Real Time' that Vila, Dayna and Atlan mention really mean? It seems as though the inclusion of 'Real Time' makes Time Distort speed closer to that of the Liberator. Anybody got any ideas? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Fwd: [B7L] And the winners are...
by Sally Manton 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Lisa wrote: <Just in case any of you are waiting breathlessly to hear the results of the latest frame capture vote,> snip> Not a bad selection,> Actually a very good selection, mostly - was glad to see Spacefall and Duel (another one with a very attractive surface :-)) in there, and Hostage means there are only 3 left in S2 to pull in :-) Powerplay is pretty too (and I like Klegg). But Kairos ... come on 'fess up, people. Was it the Manly Jarvik, or Brian the Spider? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: Orac (was Blake bashing versus Avon worship (long))
by Sally Manton 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Nico suggested that Avon could have: <used Orac, the most powerful computer in the galaxy (human-controlled anyway) to hack into the Federation's IS systems and subvert them from within.> Well, so could Blake have done :-) Actually, since canon insists that [a] Blake didn't, [b] neither did Avon, [c] nor did any of the rest suggest it, and [d] there was no sign that Servalan and the Federation authorities were worried that they *could* ... IMO there has to be some reasonable reason why Orac was incapable of it. Do our techie people have any suggestions here? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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And the winners are...
by Lisa Williams 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Just in case any of you are waiting breathlessly to hear the results of the latest frame capture vote, the five winning episodes for this round are: Space Fall Duel Hostage Powerplay Harvest of Kairos Not a bad selection, though I may have to have a little chat with someone about that last one (and you know who you are.) It's nice to see a couple from first season working their way in, since that's been rather under-represented so far. - Lisa -- Lisa Williams: lisa(a)eroicafans.org or lcw(a)dallas.net Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://framecaplib.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroicafans.org/

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RE: [B7L] Re: Blake bashing versus Avon worship (long)
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Mel Saxby wrote: > Dana wrote: > > >Blake has faults, too, but they are more forgivable, IMO. Blake > > is flawed, yes, but he is fighting a great evil in the only > way he knows. > Speaking only for myself, it's the WAY he goes about it that > bothers me-- he needs structure. > > True. But Avon could have provided some of that, without > necessarily needing > to become a wholehearted believer in the cause. Avon provide structure? Blake achieved much more than Avon ever did. Do they even make one strike against the Federation in season 3? A little personal revenge which goes severely wrong is about it. Everything Avon attempts in season 4 is a failure except for getting the stardrive. Yet he could have: * given all resistance groups the pylene-50 antitoxin formula * blown Sleer's cover * used Orac, the most powerful computer in the galaxy (human-controlled anyway) to hack into the Federation's IS systems and subvert them from within. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Re: Blake Bashing versus Avon worship
by Sally Manton 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Helen wrote: <Also, there are those here and in other fan groups who will deny any virtue in Avon's saving the others in Horizon, as an example of one of his better moments his fans enjoy. Blake has a hundred moments of heroism; Avon has only a few here and there-- when they are denied, his fans feel cheated.> You don't mention the biggie - Avon led the probably-suicidal (and certainly stupid from his own POV) fight that saved the galaxy. And with a minimum of fuss or self-aggrandisement, both at the time or later ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Blake Bashing v. Avon worship
by Sally Manton 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Mel wrote: <When I got to the early part of S4, I not only wanted to slap him, I wanted to strangle him as well. I found myself a bit surprised at the strength of my reaction to his throwing his weight about, and behaving in a somewhat tyrannical manner, his general don't-care attitude.> Oh but early S4 *is* a special case (now changing sides in order to defend Dark and Dysfunctional). Giving a damn about *anyone* else must seem even more like like crass stupidity after Anna/'Blake'/Cally ... < I think one of Avon's problems is that he wants the privileges of command - giving the orders, the control over who does what and when, and not having to take orders himself - but refuses to accept the necessary responsibilies which come as part of the package.> He certainly want not to have to take orders himself :-) but I doubt that he ever wanted any of the other aspects of being a leader, and he *certainly* never wanted to be leader himself, he does his level best to get out of it in S3, pointedly handing the job over to Tarrant, pointedly ceding to the everyone-votes business (till he got sick of being outvoted, of course). But Tarrant proved inadequate, Cally had gone all distant and deflated and wasn't up to it, Dayna was way too young and raw, and that left ... Vila. Or Orac. Avon finds the constraints and pressures of leadership quite painful, I think - like a straightjacket that's three sizes too small - and over time, it gets worse. He's stifled and worn down by it in a way he never expected when he said he wanted the ship (though not the crew). Give him some credit for taking that straightjacket on at all (neither of the other long-time crewembers were even willing to try). <But Avon *is* their leader, the only one they've got, they're pretty well stuck with him,> That's as much their fault as his. If he's poor leadership material, they're all worse (it seems good leaders are thin on the ground in the Federation - remember Servalan, in charge of a *huge* military organisation - moaning that maniacal Travis 2 is so much better than anyone she's got left) <and he should at least make an effort to act like one.> It's no *good* saying he ought to care about their welfare before his own, or put the group first - that's like saying Vila ought to be honest, or Dayna ought to let the past go and, if not forgive, then forget where Servalan is concerned. He genuinely doesn't know how to, not for most of the human race, not even for most of the crew. That's what makes it the odd case where he does it by pure instinct so memorable. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: [B7L] Re: Vila's letters home
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Helen Krummenacker wrote: > Sent: Friday, 30 November 2001 22:14 > To: blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se > Subject: [B7L] Re: Vila's letters home > > > More, please, Ellynne? So long as they're not e-mails - I'm already doing those! Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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