I've been watching a lot of Stargate recently and I've been drawing a few mental comparisons between the that and Blake's 7. (Incidentally, if you've seen the Stargate film and not the series, the two have a very different flavour - don't judge one by the other)
I always thought that Blake never followed up on Jenna's obvious interest in him because he either wasn't interested or else he was too obsessed with rebellion to have room for any other interest, but Stargate suggests a third (and very likely option).
Stargate is based around the US airforce and the rule is simple, you don't have a relationship with anyone below you in the chain of command. There are several reasons for this, and they make good sense. Firstly, you cannot guarantee to act impartially - if you have to send one of your people into a dangerous situation, then can you be certain that you will not discriminate in favour of someone you are in love with? (or maybe that's a new reason for Jenna always ending up on teleport duty...). Secondly, if you're in a tight corner, you may not be able to concentrate fully on your objective if you're worrying about other things - like your beloved getting shot. Thirdly, the ban is a protection against sexual harassment (if such relationships are forbidden, then it's much easier for a woman to say no when a person with power over her makes a pass at her).
In Stargate, this means that Colonel O'Neill and Captain Carter never get together in spite of a strong degree of attraction. In Blake's 7, it could well explain why Blake never makes a pass at Jenna.
Another interesting parallel between the two shows is the cynic/idealist conflict. Blake, the idealist, has to cope with Avon as his perennial cynic. In Stargate, the situation is reversed where Colonel O'Neill, the cynic, has to cope with Daniel Jackson, civilian and idealist. Daniel has many of Blake's qualities. He is a passionate believer in freedom and human rights (and those of aliens come to that). He will risk his life for what he believes in, but lacks Blake's degree of fanatasism. He finds it easier to forgive.
Avon's cynicism is far-ranging, he doesn't really trust anyone or anything - yet, there are times when he can make the leap of faith (whether he loves Blake or hates him, I do not doubt that he *trusts* him). O'Neill mistrusts the world on general principles and aliens in particular, but can also make the leap of faith. In his case, he trusted a man who was both an alien and an enemy (Teal'c) and it paid off.
Both shows have the theme of a fight against a powerful and oppressive enemy. In Blake's case, the Federation, in Stargate's case a particularly nasty alien race called the goa'uld. Both fights verge on the impossible. The Federation are too large and the goa'uld too advanced for there to be much chance of victory.
The biggest difference between the shows is in chain of command. Blake's a rebel. Providing he can convince his crew, he can do whatever he likes. O'Neill is in the opposite position. His people will do whatever he orders them to. (There are exceptions to this, but they are extrememly rare and usually Daniel who hasn't got military obedience ingrained quite so deeply in him) O'Neill, however, has to follow orders himself, no matter how much he may dislike them. He's a maverick by nature, but he will nevertheless (with extremely rare exceptions) do what he's ordered to do.
It's interesting to compare the way the two shows treat their female characters. CArter initially suffered some of the things that Jenna and Cally had to put up with. It tended to be a case of "we've got a female character, what shall we do with her?" Early episodes written around her tended to look at a woman rather than an officer. Jenna had to suffer 'The Keeper', Carter had 'Emancipation'. Then, it's as though the penny dropped. They started writing for the officer rather than the woman and she becomes a character you can believe in, competent in a firefight, skilled as a scientist and with a mind of her own.
Carter probably beats Cally's total count of being taken over by aliens (I have't counted, but there's certainly several cases), but *everyone* in Stargate seems to get taken over by an alien sooner or later - it goes with the job <grin>. (except Teal'c - he's immune for reasons that at least have some plausibility).
My own personal theory as to why Carter seems to come out of it better than Cally and Jenna is *uniform*. In Stargate, everyone dresses the same. If O'Neill's in camouflage gear, then Carter's in camouflage gear. If he's in uniform, then she's in uniform. Stargate seems to be the one show where the main female character isn't dressed in mini skirts/skin-tight leather/bondage gear/brightly coloured pastels. I suspect this may have had an influence on the way the writers approached the character. It certainly affects the way I react to her. An intelligent female character, an astrophysicist, who gets to do all the interesting things with everyone else. Where was she when I was growing up?
Unlike Jenna and Cally, she also gets called by her second name as a rule. It's Daniel, the civilian, who always gets called by his first name. But being a civilian, he's the one who gets to call Carter 'Sam' (short for Samantha).
I guess it's a bit like (what I see as) the class distinction in Blake's 7. Upper grades like Blake and Avon are called by their second name, whereas lower grades like Vila are called by their second name. In Stargate, the distinction is military/non-military, but with loads of fine shadings as to who is allowed to address whom as what within the military.
<grin> and the other thing that reminds me of B7 is that Stargate kills off the entire cast on several occasions...
For anyone who's got this far and hasn't seen Stargate, the series is just starting from the first epsiode on Sky 1 on New Year's Day. Each episode is on twice a day - 6am and 6pm. It's an episode each weekday. It's a good opportinity to watch it from the beginning.
Some of the worst episodes are near the start. The first two are pretty good, then there's a couple of really poor ones, then it picks up pace as the actors got settled into their roles and the writing improved. Basically, stick with it through the duff ones and you'll be rewarded with some much better stuff (there's several early ones that feel like Classic Trek: visit a planet, catch a silly disease, earn undying thanks of locals by curing it, move onto next planet.) Once they worked out where the series was going and started having episodes that related to the gao'uld threat, then it gets much better. The last four episodes of the first season close/second season start, are wonderful.
Judith
Judith said:
Stargate is based around the US airforce and the rule is simple, you don't
have
a relationship with anyone below you in the chain of command.
....except that one of Blake's innumerable problems is that Blake's chain of command extends to exactly one individual: Cally. Nobody else really accepts his legitimacy as a commander, and he's certainly in no position to enforce it.
-(Y)
Judith Proctor wrote:
...if you have to send one of your people into a dangerous situation, then can you be certain that you will not discriminate in
favour of
someone you are in love with? (or maybe that's a new reason for Jenna
always
ending up on teleport duty...).
I always assumed it was because she was the pilot and it was safer for all for her to stay on board, unlike in ST:TOS where the captain, doctor and science officer always left the ship.
My own personal theory as to why Carter seems to come out of it better
than
Cally and Jenna is *uniform*. In Stargate, everyone dresses the same. If O'Neill's in camouflage gear, then Carter's in camouflage gear. If he's
in
uniform, then she's in uniform. Stargate seems to be the one show where
the
main female character isn't dressed in mini skirts/skin-tight
leather/bondage
gear/brightly coloured pastels. I suspect this may have had an influence
on the
way the writers approached the character.
A very good point. I always wondered how the females on B7 could manage on those stupid high-heels.
It certainly affects the way I react to her. An intelligent female character, an astrophysicist, who gets to
do all
the interesting things with everyone else. Where was she when I was
growing up?
Yep! When I was a kid, I always dressed in trousers or shorts if at all poss and had short hair (actually still do). On holiday where I met other kids who didn't know me, I could be Stephen and play my favourite war games with them. My parents were surprisingly supportive. In fact for my birthday last year I got WW2 fighter plane and Star Wars walking tank model sets to assemble. Grow up? Me?
Unlike Jenna and Cally, she also gets called by her second name as a rule.
Is Cally her first name, or her only one?
I guess it's a bit like (what I see as) the class distinction in Blake's
7.
Upper grades like Blake and Avon are called by their second name, whereas
lower
grades like Vila are called by their second name.
Unless Vila preferred it that way, either because it was friendlier or he didn't like being called by the name on his wanted posters. But you're probably right. I noticed the other characters use his name a lot, in almost every remark addressed to him. A class thing again, like saying 'boy'?
For anyone who's got this far and hasn't seen Stargate, the series is just starting from the first episode on Sky 1 on New Year's Day. Each episode
is on
twice a day - 6am and 6pm. It's an episode each weekday. It's a good opportunity to watch it from the beginning.
Hey, thanks so much! We have different scheduling here in NZ but I checked our Sky 1 and we're getting Stargate from the beginning, and also Andromeda which hasn't been shown here before.
Nico
Nico wrote...
I always assumed it was because she was the pilot and it was safer for all for her to stay on board
That seems reasonable.
Yep! When I was a kid, I always dressed in trousers or shorts if at all poss and had short hair
Yeah me too, except hair in a ponytail so it doesn't need trimming all the time ;-)
Unless Vila preferred it that way, either because it was friendlier or he didn't like being called by the name on his wanted posters. But you're probably right. I noticed the other characters use his name a lot, in almost every remark addressed to him. A class thing again, like saying 'boy'?
Or to get his attention seeing as he usually isn't paying any...
Leia
It is a pity the potential of the female characters in B7 was never fully realised. They were all set up with an interesting background and should have been strong, independant, interesting characters. They have their moments but for the most part are sadly underused.
Leia