Fiona wrote:
whole book by L. Trilling, 'Beyond Culture'
To which I would counter R. Jenkins, "Social Identity."
What is it about?
One can also reach beyond culture by resorting to one's innermost core, instincts and feelings, or to the simple biological facts of life: your
body
is not a product of your society, and it is also you.
Yes, but for how long? What you're saying is that it's only possible to resist culture by withdrawing totally from it. Which is a fair point, but I think it also makes it clear that as human beings we are irrevocably linked with our cultures.
A quote from Trilling:
'We reflect that somewhere in the child, somewhere in the adult, there is a hard, irreducible, stubborn core of biological urgency, and biological necessity, and biological *reason*, that culture cannot reach and that reserves the right, which sooner or later it will excercise, to judge the culture and resist and revise it.'
This doesn't sound like a withdrawal tactic to me.
(A good example of this is Orwell's W.Smith, who cannot compare his
wretched
living conditions with anything different in his experience, but feels in his bones and his stomach that everything around him is wrong.)
But again, this decision and feeling is not outside his society. Smith has not personally experienced anything different, but other parts of the book suggest that he would have had at least casual contact with ideas about other ways of being, through his parents or through old people like the prole man in the pub.
Indeed, to have contact with 'ideas about other ways of being' is another option cited by Trilling, which I've also mentioned. It enables an individual to view his/her culture from another standpoint - by comparing it with other traditions or other cultures.
Winston's mother conveys a very important notion in the book. The governing ideology of Winston's world claims that one's greatest loyalties should lie with the state, Party and Big Brother. Winston's mother was able to resist this system, not because she was well educated in history or politics, but because she gave supremacy to her private loyalties - her family and children. This is a very primitive, un-intellectual notion, but it actually implies a way to remain human. In one of the first scenes in the novel, Winston watches a movie in which a mother tries to protect her son from a bomb by embracing him. Love cannot protect one from physical harm, but it makes all the difference. Winston is, however, incapable of resisting his culture by resorting to this same instinctive, emotional core of his being, because the inhuman society in which he lives has conditioned him too thoroughly: when, after a bombing, he sees a human hand in the street, he simply kicks it aside.
Hey, Orwell is a part of the curriculum, so I'm *very* prepared - this List still doesn't match my students in asking tricky questions!
(Er, I cannot find a B7 point here, unless someone wants to apply the hand symbolism to Travis...)
N.
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Fiona wrote:
whole book by L. Trilling, 'Beyond Culture'
To which I would counter R. Jenkins, "Social Identity."
What is it about?
One can also reach beyond culture by resorting to one's innermost core, instincts and feelings, or to the simple biological facts of life: your
body
is not a product of your society, and it is also you.
Yes, but for how long? What you're saying is that it's only possible to resist culture by withdrawing totally from it. Which is a fair point, but
I
think it also makes it clear that as human beings we are irrevocably
linked
with our cultures.
A quote from Trilling:
'We reflect that somewhere in the child, somewhere in the adult, there is
a
hard, irreducible, stubborn core of biological urgency, and biological necessity, and biological *reason*, that culture cannot reach and that reserves the right, which sooner or later it will excercise, to judge the culture and resist and revise it.'
This doesn't sound like a withdrawal tactic to me.
No, to me that sounds like going to the toilet :-). Frankly, once you get down to the areas of biology that culture cannot reach, reason doesn't enter into it.
(A good example of this is Orwell's W.Smith, who cannot compare his
wretched
living conditions with anything different in his experience, but feels
in
his bones and his stomach that everything around him is wrong.)
But again, this decision and feeling is not outside his society. Smith
has
not personally experienced anything different, but other parts of the
book
suggest that he would have had at least casual contact with ideas about other ways of being, through his parents or through old people like the prole man in the pub.
Indeed, to have contact with 'ideas about other ways of being' is another option cited by Trilling, which I've also mentioned. It enables an individual to view his/her culture from another standpoint - by comparing
it
with other traditions or other cultures.
Fair enough, agree totally-- but *that* takes place at the level of reason and deduction, not of biology. And it requires that one be aware of one's own society, and sufficiently engaged with it to compare it with others.
Winston's mother conveys a very important notion in the book. The
governing
ideology of Winston's world claims that one's greatest loyalties should
lie
with the state, Party and Big Brother. Winston's mother was able to resist this system, not because she was well educated in history or politics, but because she gave supremacy to her private loyalties - her family and children. This is a very primitive, un-intellectual notion, but it
actually
implies a way to remain human.
OK, but I wouldn't call that resistance. Again, this is *withdrawal*-- Winston's mother refuses to engage with her society, withdrawing into her family, rather than resisting it. Furthermore, she lives in a hovel and she and her children are clearly starving-- her behaviour seems less like resistance than like giving up and allowing herself to die.
In one of the first scenes in the novel, Winston watches a movie in which a mother tries to protect her son from a bomb by embracing him. Love cannot protect one from physical harm, but it makes all the difference. Winston is, however, incapable of resisting his culture by resorting to this same instinctive, emotional core of his
being,
because the inhuman society in which he lives has conditioned him too thoroughly: when, after a bombing, he sees a human hand in the street, he simply kicks it aside.
The idea, IIRC, is that it is beaten out of him, but reawakens when he meets Julia-- but is then beaten out of him again. Orwell's point seems to be that even love cannot withstand the type of brutality which the state is using.
The state only sees threat from the middle classes, because this is where they see resistance lying-- they are not interested in the proles. And the proles are considerably more in touch with their bodies than Winston is-- witness his encounter with the old man in the pub, who is more interested in beer than in resistance, despite Winston's efforts.
Fiona
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