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Fiona wrote ... I've actually yet to see evidence that Jenna, Vila, Soolin or Avon were conditioned before the series began ...
David writes Vila tells us his past when he introduces himself
from Way Back Vila: I'm Vila Restal. Blake: Where are we? Vila: In a transit cell. Blake: I don't understand. Vila: You're on your way to the penal colony on Cygnus Alpha. Or you will be when the prison ship's refueled. Try to look on the bright side. It must have something. None of the guests have ever left early. In fact, none of them have ever left at all. Blake: Why are you going there? Vila: They didn't give me a choice. I steal things, compulsive, I'm afraid. I've had my head adjusted by some of the best in the business. But it just won't stay adjusted.
David Vila went through conditioning before the series began.
Have you considered the possibility that the vision Zen took from Jenna's mind in the early stages of salvaging the Liberator may have been auto-biographical? It occurs to me that it is so, but it is possible for Jenna to have been present at her mother's interrogation.
from Duel Jenna: Oh, I wasn't clever enough, we none of us were. The Federation has beaten us all at least once.
David Jenna admits to having been defeated, which I take to mean captured, interrogated and then conditioned, but not necessarily to the extent that Blake and Vila were. In the scene with Ro in Horizon, Blake stays awake but Jenna passes out. There is also the question of why she was not made mutoid, but whether that argues for or against conditioning I cannot say.
As for Soolin, she, on the other hand, would not regard herself as having been defeated / conditioned, except perhaps by Dorian.
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Fiona wrote ... I've actually yet to see evidence that Jenna, Vila, Soolin or Avon were conditioned before the series began ...
David writes Vila tells us his past when he introduces himself
from Way Back Vila: I'm Vila Restal. Blake: Where are we? Vila: In a transit cell. Blake: I don't understand. Vila: You're on your way to the penal colony on Cygnus Alpha. Or you will be when the prison ship's refueled. Try to look on the bright side. It must have something. None of the guests have ever left early. In fact, none of them have ever left at all. Blake: Why are you going there? Vila: They didn't give me a choice. I steal things, compulsive, I'm afraid. I've had my head adjusted by some of the best in the business. But it just won't stay adjusted.
OK, but then (leaving aside that Vila seems here to be talking about theft not homosexuality) I refer you back to my original point about resistance to conditioning. Furthermore, if Vila says, as he did in your quotation, that his conditioning hasn't taken, this further suggests that if Vila is gay and his conditioning was (partially or wholly) aimed at instilling self-loathing/homophobia, he has absolutely no reason not to express his homosexuality, and every reason to do so.
Have you considered the possibility that the vision Zen took from Jenna's mind in the early stages of salvaging the Liberator may have been auto-biographical? It occurs to me that it is so, but it is possible for Jenna to have been present at her mother's interrogation.
But this doesn't suggest that Jenna was conditioned. Furthermore, we see Jenna's mother being interrogated-- not being conditioned (as we have, by this point, already seen Blake being conditioned, we know what it looks like).
from Duel Jenna: Oh, I wasn't clever enough, we none of us were. The Federation has beaten us all at least once.
David Jenna admits to having been defeated, which I take to mean captured, interrogated and then conditioned,
But that, again, is what Neil would call "subcanon." Jenna doesn't say "The Federation has *conditioned* us all at least once."
that Blake and Vila were. In the scene with Ro in Horizon, Blake stays awake but Jenna passes out. There is also the question of why she was not made mutoid, but whether that argues for or against conditioning I cannot say.
And these prove exactly what with regard to the question of whether or not Jenna has been conditioned?
As for Soolin, she, on the other hand, would not regard herself as having been defeated / conditioned, except perhaps by Dorian.
Who, leaving aside the fact that that's a big IF, is not the Federation. And again, there's no evidence that I'm aware of that Soolin has even been captured by the Federation prior to her association with Avon, much less conditioned.
Fiona
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