Neil wrote:
One thing that leaps out at me from the scripts, now I've had a chance to look at them, is how short most of the lines of dialogue are. I haven't done any statistical research on this, but I wouldn't mind betting that if you calculated an average number of words per speech for a script and did the same for a story, the story would come out higher. Perhaps much higher (depending on the author, probably). Characters in fanfic say a lot more, use longer sentences, are generally more 'wordy', or at least that's the impression I get.
I think this might be partly the difference between action/adventure (as per series) and character drama (as per much fanfic). Also, the series version had expression, action and body posture to go with the words, while fanfic either writes in all this or settles for a more explanatory style of speech. Length of sentence might well depend on the context (pace).
What I find generally irritating is that the regular characters (especi
ally,
but oc's often too) are often nowhere near 'tough' enough. I'm wary of saying this because I don't want to sound like I'm advocating some kind of macho manifesto, but they are revolutionary fanatics and/or criminals, habitually doing dangerous things, seeing unpleasant sights, forced into making snap decisions that might very well lead to someone else's death at the expense of their own. And in a lot of fanfic this
doesn't
come across -their 'inner voices' sound too 'soft' (another word I'm very uneasy about using), too preoccupied with 'trivial' things (also a dangerous label), too concerned with the fragility of their relationships with one another. This, to me, is the hidden hand of Mary Sue, acting within the characters themselves.
A lot of this might come down to inner vs outer voice, ie the difference between tough exterior and less-tough inner. To put it simplistically, I can see Blake watching a massacre he can do nothing to prevent impassively, yet grieving internally. This is also one explanation for the otherwise inexplicable character shifts in Cally -- Cally the Earth Mother (internal) vs Cally the Warrior (external) -- only being female the scriptwriters allow her to express her inner voice externally.
A lot of this may be because many writers are concerned only with the
characters,
not with the milieu. They are not interested in action/adventure plots (a
lot of
fanfic might be deliberately repudiating the action/adventure ethos and
its tropes,
which is why the characters come across the way they do), and not
particularly
interested in science fiction either. It was a real culture shock to me,
when I
first entered fandom about 9 years ago, to find that an awful lot of fans
weren't into
SF as such. I'd be surprised if this didn't affect the way they write the
characters.
Action/adventure's pretty dull to read, more suitable for the visual. It's a shame there isn't more science fiction in fanwriting, yet there's so little credible science fiction in the series. Less even than Star Trek. Give me grey B7 over shiny happy ST any day, but they do take up the science fiction challenge a bit more seriously, if in the style of Jules Verne or HG Wells than contemporary SF. Not that I know anything about contemporary SF.
Tavia
From: Tavia Chalcraft tavia@btinternet.com
Neil wrote:
One thing that leaps out at me from the scripts, now I've had a chance to look at them, is how short most of the lines of dialogue are.
I think this might be partly the difference between action/adventure (as per series) and character drama (as per much fanfic). Also, the series version had expression, action and body posture to go with the words,
while
fanfic either writes in all this or settles for a more explanatory style
of
speech. Length of sentence might well depend on the context (pace).
It might also be due to the fact that some writers are just too damn wordy (a common fault, which I've comitted myself in the past. It's by no means confined to fan writers - most amateurs seem to do it, and come to think of it some professionals do too. H P Lovecraft made a career out of it.)
I'm currently working my way through Star Four, and I found a striking example in Gillian Taylor's story 'Rehabilitation' (a good story, incidentally, like all the ones I've read so far). Vila has been accidentally knocked out in a tussle with Dayna, and Avon is first to arrive on the scene:
"What happened? Did Vila have one drink too many and finally manage to fall and knock himself senseless?"
Why not just say: "What happened? One drink too many?"
Not only 12 words shorter, reducing the speech by 67% without reducing information content, but also - IMO - much more in character for Avon.
Neil
From: Tavia Chalcraft tavia@btinternet.com
Action/adventure's pretty dull to read, more suitable for the visual. It's a shame there isn't more science fiction in fanwriting, yet there's so little credible science fiction in the series. Less even than Star Trek.
*Anything* can be dull to read, if it's written badly enough. Conversely, almost anything can be interesting to read, if it's written in the right way. Even a story about watching paint dry could be made to work if it was about Avon's thoughts as he watched it drying out. (I'm not saying it would be easy to write, or that it would turn out a deathless classic, just that a perfectly readable story could be made out of the classic epitome of boredom.)
As to the SF, a lot depends on how you define it. I would say any fiction set in a hypothetical future is more or less SF of a kind by default. But that leads on to the thorny problem of 'What *is* SF?' for which there are no easy answers. I wouldn't say that 'science' has to make an appearance in a b7 story, beyond the techno-trappings indigenous to the series (teleport, neutron blasters etc), but an avoidance of bad science can only be a good thing.
If you don't know about it, don't write about it. That's why there's never any sex in my stories:)
Neil
Neil said:
*Anything* can be dull to read, if it's written badly enough. Conversely, almost anything can be interesting to read, if it's written in the right way.
Agreed! Even a story about watching paint dry could be made to work if it was
about Avon's thoughts as he watched it drying out.
It would be a fairly classic type of suspense story, if there was a lot riding on the state of the paint (a bomb will or won't explode based on the percentage of humidity?)
As to the SF, a lot depends on how you define it. I would say any fiction set in a hypothetical future is more or less SF of a kind by default.
I don't see how fiction about the future can be anything but hypothetical, though, and something like 1984 or The Handmaid's Tale has very little to do with science (in fact both of them feature declines rather than advances in technology).
-(Y)