Blakes7 January 2001

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Re: Did it work?
by Alison Page 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

But, bear in mind, that if you are trying to demonstrate a proposition (for example 'it worked') it is not sufficient to collect evidence in support of that proposition. One must also facilitate disproof. Thus, to say 'there is no evidence that it did not work' would not in itself constitute a meaningful statement in support of the proposition 'it worked', in that the demand for evidential support, and the means to collect that evidence, are dependent on the successful 'working' of the very system the success of which the evidence is intended to confirm (or of course refute). Alison PS tee hee PPS though obviously, people were warned, and will probably let Calle know if lysator suddenly disappears

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Re: [B7L] Re: Did it work?
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

Down and safe. Leah

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Re: [B7L] Editing
by Julia Jones 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

In message <000601c08578$d6e55f60$f28c49d5(a)marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl>, Marian de Haan <maya(a)multiweb.nl> writes >Julia, I can understand this kind of thing happening and my question wasn't >meant as an attack on you or other hard working, human editors. My gripe is >with those editors who systematically refuse to respond. It is extremely >frustrating to be unable to get a reply, especially as it prevents the >writer from submitting the work elsewhere. Unfortunately, a lot of what's been written in this thread (which did include other people) gave the impression that it is an editor's duty to *accept* (or reject) immediately, not merely acknowledge receipt. Even as far as acknowledging receipt goes - editing is something that for most people has to be fitted in around other commitments, and it may take a while before someone gets around to reading their email. I have the advantage of my own host, and therefore an address set aside specifically for handling queries about submissions, but not all editors have that luxury. I know how frustrating it is to not get a reply, especially when this keeps happening. However, as Tavia has already pointed out, you are *not* obliged to leave the piece with an editor until that editor responds. You can formally withdraw it, and send it elsewhere. I personally would send the notice of withdrawal on a piece that had been submitted electronically to the same email address as I sent the submission, with no paper follow-up, but I tend to the bloody-minded. Another form of defence, although one that a beginning author is not likely to think of, is to send a querying email first, and not send the submission until there's a response to that query. It may be bloody irritating to the editor, but if she's getting a lot of this it might give her a hint that she needs to improve her response times:-) I've also done this when I happen to know that the editor might be having Real Life problems, as it gives her (or him) the chance to say "Not right now please, but in a couple of months' time". Should you feel the urge to try the other side of the game, the language problem need not be a problem. After all, the Americans manage to produce zines, and they don't speak British English either <grins, ducks and runs>. There are people willing to help (I know, I used them, I don't speak standard British English but a weird amalgam of various dialects). -- Julia Jones

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Re: Did it work?
by Steve Rogerson 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

It worked -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] Editing
by Mac4781＠aol.com 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

Calle, congratulations on your successful transfer of technology. From what I can tell, you've hitched us into a very sleek system of management that even my computer wimp brain can easily understand. (Watch me fumble the system after saying that... <g> ) Thank you for your continued list leadership. Now back to our regular programming... (With apologies for taking so long to share some comments) Julia wrote: > I know how frustrating it is to not get a reply, especially when this > keeps happening. However, as Tavia has already pointed out, you are > *not* obliged to leave the piece with an editor until that editor > responds. You can formally withdraw it, and send it elsewhere. I wanted to add that when I've not had a reply from editor, it's always meant she/he has accepted the story and plans to use it. What usually happens in those cases is that the editor read the story and liked it, but was waiting to respond until he/she actually got to edits. However, real life being what it is, the editor didn't get to edits as quickly as he/she thought would happen. So response to the story took a very long time. Once I realized that I should assume my stories were accepted, I didn't mind not hearing back. (And when there were no edits involved, there were a couple of occasions when I didn't hear anything until my tribs arrived in my mailbox.) But I can understand how lack of a response would be very fretful for a beginner. > After all, the Americans manage to > produce zines, and they don't speak British English either And thank goodness for that. Someone has to maintain standards for the language. We've "gotten" to where we Yanks have had to assume that responsibility. ;-) Carol Mc

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by Calle Dybedahl 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

This message is sent via the new listbot. If you get it, you're subscribed. I may have got some digest/nondigest flags wrong, so if you usually get digests and this _isn't_ in one (or vice versa, of course) you'll have to brave the new configuration interface and change the setting. I'll wait at least 24 hours before actally switching the list over, so you have a bit of time to mention any problems beforehand. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle(a)lysator.liu.se Maintainer of the Blake's 7 mailing list. Mail for info.

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