Blakes7 November 2001

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Re: [B7L] Season 4 clothes - why so few?
by Ellynne G. 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

On Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:45:38 -0800 (PST) M <nova_m1(a)excite.co.uk> writes: > > I figured as Dorian seems to have lured quite a few people - > considering his > age and his 'need' - maybe he had quite a large wardrobe for all the > people > he 'rescued' - they should have waited for the local breakdown > service. Ewwww. Actually, given the very small glimpse we get of his strongly in need of extra strength slime remover excuse of a personality, I'm afraid I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have other hobbies that could form the basis of an Alfred Hitchcock movie or even a couple of episodes of America's Most Wanted. It actually makes me wish he'd had a much more dramatic demise. Or perhaps if the Hommiks had shown up and started singing "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead." Hmm, Dorian dead under a house. Now, who should play Glinda . . . ? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: [B7L] Why wasn't Sleer recognised?
by Ellynne G. 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 04:20:00 +0000 "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> writes: > Stephen asked: > <Incidentally, why don't you like the Pylene thread ?> > > It just grates on me horribly. I mean, I can suspend disbelief all > the way > to the Crab Nebula and back if I want to (I like *Kairos* after > all!!) but > this super-wonderdrug that's supposedly instantaneous, permanent and > utterly > without side effects, that turns people into happy efficient little > workers > *and* drugged-out zombies depending on script needs, and just > happened to > fall into Servalan/Sleer's lap at the moment she needed it ... it > screams > MacGuffin even louder that the Liberator turning up for Blake I know. My personal suspicion was that an alien with a different agenda slipped it into Federations hands. And manipulated the different effects. And kept everyone focused on side issues like headless androids. And kept them from ever making use of headless androids. Or thinking of turning in Servalan. However, even my tendency to take the plot, fold it into origami, and try and bend it into an explantation falls short with Liberator. Between the note and Avon's constant claim of ownership, it seems like there should be a story explaining how he either knew it would be there or arranged for it to show up. Even the fact that he wasn't prepared for the ship's defenses might be overlooked, but how he managed to get it from the System, etc. is a bit of a stretch (I know I once speculated on how Avon might have come from the System, but I'm afraid I didn't find myself terribly convincing). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: [B7L] Season 4 clothes - why so few?
by M 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

It would be a good reason to stay in shape. You know - I have 3 leather outfits and if I gain a size I've got 1 (give ot take silver acessories). I figured as Dorian seems to have lured quite a few people - considering his age and his 'need' - maybe he had quite a large wardrobe for all the people he 'rescued' - they should have waited for the local breakdown service. He'd go out for a nice shop and when they were rescued - 'oh yes isnt it handy I have all these clothes in your size which suit you. Well if it wasnt for that large sale on a nearby planet.' M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Re: b7spin: TV audience projection
by Mistral 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

Alison Page wrote: > Now, no guesses about which of these two approaches appeals most to a > wannabe-creative person. Plus I like episode and series structure, I think > it's powerful. And yet the TV stations seem to be turning their backs on > these messages, and instead going for a mechanical evaluation of content. > And on the third hand, perhaps this mechanistic analysis works? It generates large numbers of viewers; quality and creativity are simply not the point. Cynic that I am, I actually believe the masses in the U.S. prefer mediocre, formulaic television. The big networks usually seem to shoot for one or two critically acclaimed series for cachet, and the rest are aimed at Mr. & Mrs. Uniformly Average. Mistral -- "Who do you serve? And who do you trust?" --Galen, 'Crusade'

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Travis tape
by Judith Proctor 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

I'm now sold out of Travis: The Final Act. (Apologies to the fan who missed the last copy by a couple of hours) Soldiers of Love pt 8 is now in stock. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '03 21-23 Feb 2003 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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RE: RE: [B7L] Why wasn't Sleer recognised?
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

Stephen Date <stephend999(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > --- Sally wrote: > >> It's a problem, and one of the *worst* plot threads >> in Series 4 (and she's >> in charge of the other dud thread - Pylene). > >Presumably it's an incredibly clever double bluff on >Servalan's part. The Federation Secret Police are >probably doing overtime checking the admissions >departments of plastic surgery clinics and setting >surveillance on sellers of wigs, Dame Edna glasses, >false moustaches etc. whilst she swans round the >galaxy in a series of tasteful evening gowns. > >Incidentally, why don't you like the Pylene thread ? > >Stephen. > >===== >"I always have a quotation handy, it saves original thinking" - Lord Peter Wimsey. > Either she only appears in places where nobody expects to see her. Or 'Yes, I keep on getting confused with President etc Servalan - but we are not related,' says Commissioner Sleer in 'Hallo' magazine equivalent. Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: [B7L] Why wasn't Sleer recognised?
by Sally Manton 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

Nicola wrote: <Servalan must have been the most well-known person in the Federation, if not the whole galaxy. Her official portraits were doubtless everywhere, and she was probably on the viscasts almost every 'night' after becoming President.> It's a problem, and one of the *worst* plot threads in Series 4 (and she's in charge of the other dud thread - Pylene). But remember, Servalan only took power after the war in a time of turmoil, beginning with intergalactic and possibly civil war (the rebellion on Earth wasn't crushed till just before Rumours), never appears to have been secure in her Presidency and was ousted after a very short period in power, just as or before the Federation started rebuilding. She *was* "President of a ruined empire", and spent too much time having to fight for her own position and chasing Our Heroes and the dreamship. She also took power in a coup and presumably killed the incumbent and his close circle, and would be aware of the dangers of 'being done by as you would do to others' - especially since there had been attempts on her life (Project Avalon) when she was Supreme Commander with all the pre-war military to protect her. There might be more safety (she's very concerned for her own attractive skin, remember) in keeping out of the public eye. It also doesn't appear that publicity is a big thing with the Powers-That-Be (her predecessor was pretty much faceless). Servalan was supposed to be dead, so most of the populace (who probably couldn't care less who was in the Presidential seat) wouldn't really notice or care very much, maybe just think "she looks like someone, just can't think who ..." Where this all falls down, of course, is her confidence that she can kill off anyone who recognises her, while regaining her place among the elite who'd be far *more* likely to recognise her ... <And why didn't Avon blow her cover?> Who would believe him? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Why wasn't Sleer recognised?
by Ellynne G. 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:15:21 +1300 Nicola Mody-Nikoloff <n_mody-nikoloff(a)axis-intermodal.co.nz> writes: > I'm new to this list, so this has probably been covered before. If > so, > please humour me! > > I think one of the worst mistakes in B7 was to bring back Servalan > in the > guise of Sleer (much as I enjoy Jacqueline Pearce's acting). > > Servalan must have been the most well-known person in the > Federation, if not > the whole galaxy. This probably ties into the S4 clothes but, evidently, people in the B7 universe have the hardest time recognizing people once they've had a major wardrobe change. Apparently, when Servalan isn't wearing at least some white, she needs to tell people who she is. Hence, on Chenga, while wearing Dayna's clothes, she had to make a big fuss to get properly identified. As for S4, I suppose, after losing Liberator, the others wanted to a bit more low profile and chose clothes no one could recognize them in. Avon, who was already showing signs of stress, evidently didn't care. As for why Servalan and Avon never seemed to have these recoginition problems, that was just one of those extraordinary skills we expect in them. It's true Dayna never had this problem either, but she probably ran computer scenarios night and day on ways Servalan might try to keep Dayna from killing her and how to overcome them. Or maybe people in the B7 universe are actually more smell sensitive than we've realized and they relied on odor to ID people. Servalan changed her perfume. Since it was the perfume Avon had given her, he could still recognize her. Since the musk base came from something Dayna had killed, she could recognize her (perhaps they really did rescue Ensor's fish, which were actually the pollywog stage of those other critters and she'd been using that smell for their track and attack training, but they went down with the Liberator, messing up another perfectly good plan). > And why didn't Avon blow her cover? > He tried. Oh, how he tried. Anonymous e-mail just never packs the punch it should. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Why wasn't Sleer recognised?
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

I'm new to this list, so this has probably been covered before. If so, please humour me! I think one of the worst mistakes in B7 was to bring back Servalan in the guise of Sleer (much as I enjoy Jacqueline Pearce's acting). Servalan must have been the most well-known person in the Federation, if not the whole galaxy. Her official portraits were doubtless everywhere, and she was probably on the viscasts almost every 'night' after becoming President. She wouldn't have been exactly retiring. I could buy the Sleer thing if they'd given her a different hair and dress style (like longer hair, tailored trouser suits), but she looks exactly the same. And even if it had become the fashion to resemble her (like the Diana craze years ago), it would be stupid to continue to do so after she had fallen so far from favour that all her colleagues were ruthlessly purged. Anyone have any explanations? Apart from poor script-writing? And why didn't Avon blow her cover? Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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RE: [B7L] Why wasn't Sleer recognised?
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

Jacqui wrote: > I suppose it would depend upon how 'familiar' her picture was > - there must have been billions of people in the Federation etc. Everyone in Britain and a lot in the rest of the world know what Tony Blair looks like. I can't see that it would be different in the future. If she were still supreme commander, I could understand it, as ordinary people would have no idea what the top military people look like, going by how it is today. They would all know what the President looked like though, as we do with Blair and Bush. > Going back to something I brought up a while ago - there > seems to be little 'official art' around in the Federation - > one would expect pictures of Servalan's predecessors in her > military office (as with the pictures of Prime Ministers in > 10 Downing Street) etc. And the picture of herself > Servalan/Sleer smashed in series 4 seems to have been in the > possession of a Servalan 'diehard'. Maybe Servalan didn't like pictures of her predecessors - she was the sort to want to redefine the office and ignore what had gone before. She was also an aesthete, and previous presidents were probably as ugly as most politicians! :-) Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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