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RE: Re: [B7L] Language and mums
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

"Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: >Leia asked: > >> What common accident's could mum's worry about? Teleport seems an obvious >> one but they're not common enough in the B7 world for that to be a cliche. > >In TWB, Dev Tarrant suggests "transporter accident" as an explanation for >the demise of Tel and Maja, in a weary tone that suggests that it's a >cliche. > >-(Y) > The equivalent of 'shot while trying to escape' (which I understand dates back to early 20th century) Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: Fwd: Re [B7L] Vocab (was Virus)
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

"Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Neil wrote: ><'Bastard' doesn't sound quite right for Vila? I once had Cally >screaming 'f***' at the top of her lungs.> > >Works all the better, methinks, when it *is* Cally, who has this prim image >to maintain :-) and yet is IMO highly-strung enough to fly out under extreme >pressure. > >A purely personal point - I have no problem hearing Avon use the word as a >verb (describing the act) but any stories where he uses it as a swearword >jars horribly - possibly because of how precise and careful I see the way he >talks. I can hear Vila using 'bastard', and quite a few of the others as >well, but probably not in anger (he gets very creatively angry - see City). > >Also interesting that Jenna often gets given a rich and varied - and usually >unspecified - 'spacer's' vocabulary of expletives etc, though on the face of >it she's not all that much more colourful than Cally (and that Tarrant >rarely is, though as an ex-military spacer, surely ... though he's very prim >too IMO :-)). > > I suppose this is due to expectations as to what specific jobs 'ought' to swear like. Would Par for example swear like the proverbial trooper? Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re [B7L] Vocab (was Virus)
by J MacQueen 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

>From: "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> >Neil wrote: ><'Bastard' doesn't sound quite right for Vila? I once had Cally >screaming 'f***' at the top of her lungs.> >Works all the better, methinks, when it *is* Cally, who has this prim image >to maintain :-) and yet is IMO highly-strung enough to fly out under >extreme pressure. I'd agree with that, though purely on the basis that *I* tend not to use certain words unless the provocation is great - cars that have appeared from nowhere and come rather too close to me while I'm trying to cross the road, for instance. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Language
by Sally Manton 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Mac4781(a)aol.com wrote: <And yet the use of "oh sod it" or "daft bugger" would give me pause.> Agree about daft bugger (though that *could* be 'cause it was one of my mum's favourite terms :-)) it actually sounds too *cute* in Vila's voice. Doran, maybe - there is a distinct difference in the way Doran, another lower-grade man, talks, to how Vila does. I tend to imagine Vila using less of this sort of thing anyway, and more of an idiosyncratic use of idiom (though I don't know that he did *this* a lot in the series either :-)). For instance, I had him in one (as yet unfinished or cannibalised) scribble describe their situation as 'between the devil and the deep blue frying pan', which is maybe wierd, but just seemed to work. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: [B7L] Re:Blake and Vila
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Ellynne G. wrote: > On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:35:01 +1300 Nicola Mody-Nikoloff > <mody-nikoloffn(a)axis-intermodal.co.nz> writes: > > Oh, agreed. Like joking about deth or nuclear war (which I do). But > > having > > been a target myself at school, I'd never try to feel better by > > making > > others feel worse. > > True. OTOH, it's the fact that I can't really see any of these > characters as - perhaps not _nasty_ enough to make such an attack but > certainly not dumb enough to deliberately say something like > that to that > person under those circumstances. But they do - they pick on Vila to make themselves feel better. > As someone once said, if your survival depends on what someone else > decides to do, don't antagonize them. So they're relying on Vila's good nature. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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natural immunity?
by Natasa Tucev 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

I've got the notorious 'file in attachment' and opened it unknowingly, however, I cannot detect the virus nor any of its manifestations. Maybe I didn't catch it because I'm using a primitive system. I don't know whether it's possible I've infected (or keep infecting) other people's computers unawares. If anyone's been infected by me, please let me know. N.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Language
by J MacQueen 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

>From: Harriet Monkhouse <hflysator(a)jarriere.demon.co.uk> >as "I would guess that" but that's a bit high falutin' for Vila. It does sound more like someone else we could point the finger at. "I'd guess" might be more like him. "I reckon", placed after the mention of whatever he's supposing, might be a possibility, but I have an almighty doubt that the phrase has had much usage by the Poms in recent times; and it seems to be fading out of Australian usage too. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Re: Language
by Mac4781＠aol.com 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Anna tallied: > I tried sorry before, but it was tricky. I've counted more or less every > instance of the word. Thanks for all of your hard work. I appreciate and enjoy all of your research on various subjects. Carol

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Re: [B7L] Language
by Mac4781＠aol.com 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Leia wrote: > I can hear Vila saying something on the lines of 'oh sod it' though. I > think he's have to be wuite worked up to use bastard. And there are a > number of the crew he's got plenty of ( err *non* slash) reasons to call a > 'daft bugger' or similar as 'bugger' is reguarly used by most Brits without > any of it's literal meaning attached. And yet the use of "oh sod it" or "daft bugger" would give me pause. Maybe because as Anna said about "I guess" those words--sod/daft/bugger--weren't used in the series. Anything not in the series has to fit the formal, futuristic speech patterns of the characters (as I hear them) to work for me. Beyond words used in the series, we're all influenced by our own backgrounds and our own expectations of how the characters would speak. What sounds "right" to one fan might sound "wrong" to another fan (and not just because of American/British/Australian/etc variances in speech and word usage). It's like every other difference of perception in regard to the series. We can either tolerate the differences and continue reading or avoid stories/writers that bother us. Which is simple enough. There's plenty of fanfic to go around. Carol

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RE: [B7L] Language and mums
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Leia Fee wrote: > I think mums worrying about some unlikely accident befalling their > offspring is a common enough cliche, I'm not sure about > falling down a cliff specifically. > > I remember my mum being constantly wibbling that I could be > 'dead under a > bus' quite a lot if I didn't call when I was supposed to. With me it was always 'dead at the bottom of a cliff'. It was a joke between me and my sister. And very usable too in the B7 universe with all their cliffs and quarries; you'd have to replace your bus with something else. ;-) Though my mother did have a thing about wearing fresh underwear 'in case you're run over by a bus'. There must be something about buses. Anyway, Vila's mum is definitely based on mine, with her worries and attitudes and some expressions, though I think she's a little too Jewish at times to fit B7; I'll have to check for that. I think there's a very non-B7 'already' in there somewhere. She's also nicer to Vila and a lot less critical than my mother - hey, he needs someone on his side! Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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