Blakes7 November 2001

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Re: [B7L] Re: Music videos, was site update
by Mac4781＠aol.com 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Jen wrote: > Well, admittedly our DVDs aren't special or anything, they're just the videos > copied onto DVDs, <slobber, drool> Did you do them yourself or take them somewhere for conversion? I've been tracking the progress of recordable DVDs in the hopes of doing that very thing. I've also pondered the possibility of having my tapes transfered by professionals, but I wasn't sure they'd dub copyrighted material. > but it is comforting to know that the degradation process > is slowed down dramatically That's my goal. > (haven't Our Heroes suffered enough?) Not enough for a hurt/comfort fan like myself. ;-) > And it does > make making a songvid a lot easier. I hope. I hope as well. Per what I've heard about doing music vids on computers, there are both advantages and disadvantages to computers vs. the old-fashioned way. > > If you were making your own songvid, what music and clips would > you include? I have so many songs in mind for future vids that it would take me all morning to touch on them. Some past ones include: Sadder But Wiser Girl for Me from "The Music Man" - clips of Avon lusting after "wiser" girls--blonde in GOLD, Servalan, Soolin, Anna Too Long a Soldier - clips of Tarrant, Blake, and Blake with Tarrant paralleling that they've both been "too long a soldier" The Rose - clips from the suggestive Avon and Cally scenes, ending with a freeze of Avon clutching her arm and with them looking at each other from SARCOPHAGUS Camp Granada - clips such as the box monster in DAWN OF THE GODS for "the lake has alligators" and Gan and company tramping over Cygnus Alpha for "send out a searching party" > My first impulse has been to do Tommy Shaw's "Girls With Guns" (has someone > already done that? Not that I know, but I'm notoriously musically challenged. I'm not familiar with a lot of popular music and I can't always identify songs by titles. I need to hear the lyrics. > It seems like a natural), and David Bowie's "Rebel Rebel" > > (also seems a no-brainer). I'd tend to put shots of Avon or Tarrant > grinning > over the line, "Hot tramp! I love you so." :) I'm also tempted by Living > Colour's "Glamour Boys" for a montage of Tarrant. I don't think either of those have been done, either. But again, I'm not familiar with the songs. And anything with Tarrant would be, as you note, scenic. <g> > These are the first music videos I've ever seen, and I did love them, esp. > "Brothers in Arms." Does anyone know where I can get my hands on more, I only accessed those myself the other day. I've not kept up with vids on the Net, and I don't know what else is out there. There are oodles of vids done the old-fashioned way (with vcrs). But there is format incompatibility to take into consideration. The only PAL offering that I know of is from Horizon; Mary Van Deusen provided them with a copy of her vids in PAL with permission to distribute them. If you have NTSC capability, contact me off line and I'll tell you what is available. > or on > some tips for making a good music video? There is a vidder's list that might be helpful. I don't belong to it, but I can get you info if you are interested. Also, I'm pretty sure there are FAQs on computer vids out there. I'll ask a friend for information for you. Carol

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Re: [B7L] Music videos, was site update
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Mel wrote: <If you were making your own songvid, what music and clips would you include? > I believe I have the perfect fan produced B7 music video. Among the vast collection of these that we've accumulated over the past 20 years, I have a copy of Barbara Anderson's "Opportunities," an Avon-themed piece that she managed to edit in a professional TV studio. The Pet Shop Boys tune is utterly perfect and so is her choice of clips. It was once shown on the big screen, at Starcon in Denver in the 80's. Leah

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RE: [B7L] Language
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

> I think I guess is an Americanism that has seeped pretty > thoroughly into > British speech by now. I certainly use it myself from time > to time and know plenty of other Brits that do. I do too, but they never did in the series, and I'd prefer to stick to that. Of course, they could guess a figure or whatever, but wouldn't use 'guess' to mean 'suppose'. I'm even loath to have Vila use 'sod' or 'bastard' (which I have done) as it was never in the series. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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RE: [B7L] Re: Language
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Jen McGee wrote: > Oh dear, Vila wouldn't say "guess"? [Jen sighs and prepared > to go home and use the "find and replace" function, as Vila > seems to start > half his sentences with "I guess" right now] He wouldn't say "I guess" but he'd use the noun: "That's a good guess". > Writing the B7 crew in swimwear boggles my beginning writer's > imagination entirely. I guess [see, there I go again!] I can > see Vila in > something baggy and colorful, Soolin in a silvery bikini, and > Cally in a red one-piece, but when I hit the other men especially I > blank. The scattered images I get are almost entirely indescribable. > > But thanks for inspiring them! I'm writing Vila's e-mails to and from the rest of the crew, and selected others round the galaxy, and it's (mainly) for laughs. They get to have a holiday on Del Ten. Blake had promised them this in 'Voices from the Past' and I allow them to have a little fun before Servie turns up and spoils it. I have Vila in trunks (yep, baggy and probably colourful, though I didn't specify that), Jenna in a bikini, and Avon wore black leather with studs (what else?) which was OK, sorry, all right, as he hates water and has no intention of getting wet. Though Vila manages to spoil that idea! I didn't specify, but I too see Cally in a one-piece, and Blake in trunks like Vila's I guess (I say it too!), but a dark plain colour. And some more silliness: One of the running jokes I have in this is Vila's Mum's concern that he's eating properly, has fresh clothes and underwear, and isn't 'dead at the bottom of a cliff' (she's based on my mother who had these worries when I was overseas). Anyway, he makes a guess about what the others selected from the Liberator's wardrobe room for underwear. To quote Vila: Blake: white cotton Y-fronts Jenna: black lace Gan: scants Cally: satin/polyester high-cuts Avon: he's a hard one to figure out, but given a certain predilection for leather, I'd say he 'goes commando'. And yes, I know 'going commando' is probably an Americanism, but I couldn't resist! And in season 4 (yet to be completed): Tarrant: leather posing pouch Dayna: animal-print briefs Soolin: grey silk thong Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Re: [B7L] Re: Language
by Anna Simpson 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

At 20:43 27/11/01 +1100, Kathryn wrote: >(kathryn scratches head) Why wouldn't Vila say "I guess"? Well, no doubt there is a long and fascinating philosophical debate there, but the basic point is that Vila *doesn't* say 'I guess'. And neither does anyone else in all 52 episodes, at least as far as the transcripts are concerned. So, whenever I read an 'I guess' in a fic, it catches my attention and break the flow of the story >Kathryn Andersen love Anna

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RE: [B7L] Re:Blake and Vila
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Ellynne G. wrote: > Perhaps I'm just trying to excuse their bad behavior but I think it's > more a case of their being subject to weird bursts of gallows > humor under > high stress. The more terrible the situation, the more > likely they are > to make a biting joke at someone else's expense. Oh, I understand gallows humour, use it myself, but I don't understand the cruelty. What about the incredible stress they put their preferred target under? How does Vila get rid of his own stress when he's at the bottom of the pecking order? Drink and depression, poor sod. After all, Avon's two jokes in 'Powerplay' probably condemned Vila to two years of contempt from Tarrant and Dayna who'd see him as unwanted dead weight, a spare part, going by Avon's sneering. Even when Avon defends Vila to Tarrant in 'City', he still insults him and puts him down. (From memory: "He doesn't have a better nature", "I despise him, but...") > Same way, if they have barely managed to save anyone or > anything from an > entire planet and race, he immediately points out what a handful that > small victory is - and says, with perhaps forced certainty > (is he trying > to convince himself or her?) that they (or is it he?) won't lose Cally > over this. Still makes me cringe at the sheer tastelessness of us. Them eating at the same time makes it worse somehow. > I'm just going by my own experience with high stress > situations. A lot > of awful, I-can't-believe-I-said-that jokes get made. But you'd fall > apart completely if you didn't. Oh, agreed. Like joking about deth or nuclear war (which I do). But having been a target myself at school, I'd never try to feel better by making others feel worse. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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RE: [B7L] Re: Language
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Dana Shilling wrote: > I love the idea of Vila beginning every e-mail > with "Hi, mum, I am not dead at the bottom of a > cliff." It's a continuing theme in their e-mails! And he does encounter a few cliffs. And he may even have said just that at least once! > > And yes, I know 'going commando' is probably an Americanism, but I > couldn't resist! > Never heard it before, but I can imagine. But it takes more > than talcum > powder to get tight leathers on and off without, umm, personal injury. Hah! The talcum powder gets a mention too! 'Going commando' is going without. I really couldn't imagine what Avon would wear, but thought, why not nothing? > Now imagining Blake in a Speedo--go ahead, ruin my day. I did already! It was a toss-up between Speedos and boring old trunks. I don't think I actually specified, though he does wear a pendant on a chain at one point. BTW my fiction is definitely gen in case anyone's wondering. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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RE: [B7L] Re: Language
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Sally Manton wrote: > Actually, I don't think Vila is that much more colloquial > than an average > person (it's just the company he keeps, and I do mean Mr > Ultra-Precise). > He's a *bit* more relaxed in a vocab than, say, Blake, and > it's enhanced by > the way MK actually speaks, but the differences between > grades don't seem to be all that great to me. It always grates if I see Vila saying 'innit' or some such thing in fanfic, or speaking in a dialect. He does say 'meself' or 'me' instead of 'my' a couple of times; that's about it. > But one way Vila is different is the unusual > amount of colour and contrast in his words, the bright, > playful and varied > way he uses them (things like getting the dignified hell out > of here) that > contrasts with Avon's precision, Blake's layered, careless > perfection and Cally's stiffness. Vila has an excellent vocabulary - he's afraid of the dark "only when it's unilluminated" - hardly as ignorant as the others suppose. > Vila likes words as much as Avon does, it's part of what makes their > relationship work. I wouldn't be surprised if Vila enjoys > reading in his > spare time, he certainly has a far greater gift for and skill > with words > than most of the rest of them, including the possible-Alphas > Jenna, Dayna, and Tarrant ... Hey, thanks for the confirmation! I've made Vila an avid reader in my fiction, very disconcerting to Avon and Tarrant as it doesn't fit the category they've put him in. I see him as having no formal education (and that pretty basic) past 11 or 12, but self-educated in the things which interest him. As proof, at least twice in the series he says he "likes stories" so I bet he enjoys escapist fiction! Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Re: [B7L] Re: Language
by Mac4781＠aol.com 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

Harriet wrote: > For some reason, it comes out OK > (there - I've no problem with a B7 character saying OK, I think that was > already standard in 1970s UK English) I scanned the transcripts for "okay." The scan I did would have missed any instances where it was abbreviated to "OK." The Way Back: RICHIE: I'll check ahead. Watch for my signal. RAVELLA: Okay. Deliverance: ENSOR: Compensators... GAN: Okay. ENSOR: Not...holding... GAN: All right. Okay. Here we are now. Here we go. AVON: Out of the way. GAN: Okay. Gambit: CEVEDIC: Docholli's in there somewhere, but he's not a problem. First we get Travis. UN-NAMED HENCHMAN: Okay. Harvest of Kairos: TARRANT: Okay, Zen, we've read the same manuals. [To Dayna] It's an old Federation manoeuvre. Unimaginative, but so's a punch in the mouth. We don't need either. At least it tells us who sent them. Gold: KEILLER: So, Pretty One, we visit the mine and we tamper with the processor. That way the gold stays okay. Carol

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Re:Blake and Vila
by Ellynne G. 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:00:34 +1300 Nicola Mody-Nikoloff <mody-nikoloffn(a)axis-intermodal.co.nz> writes: > > I think the worst B7 example of what I call the 'tinkly bits' (based > on the > tinkly music that Star Trek TOS used to indicate a bit of comic > relief) is > at the end of 'Children of Auron'. An entire race has been almost > destroyed > and Avon cracks that terrible joke and they all laugh. I just > cringed. Perhaps I'm just trying to excuse their bad behavior but I think it's more a case of their being subject to weird bursts of gallows humor under high stress. The more terrible the situation, the more likely they are to make a biting joke at someone else's expense. So, if Avon is terribly relieved that they managed to keep one crew member among the living (and that this person seems unlikely to act quite so suicidally the next time they aren't watching him like a hawk), he makes jokes discounting another crew member. If Blake's heart is still beating a little too fast at the idea of how suicidal that burst of depression and selfdoubt almost became - and how bad it would have been without the efforts of some others - he finds himself likely to laugh at the first dumb joke one of those others makes putting them down. If Avon has just had a remarkably bad day that _started_ with losing Blake and ended with him nearly getting himself killed while retaking his ship while trying to keep his new allies alive at the same time - and then finds out that, while he was wasting time doing this (no matter what he says, and I somehow think that would be his first gut reaction), the only two friends he's been able to locate so far were nearly murdered - he tries to deal with whatever he's feeling as that realization sinks in by looking at one of the almost murdered types and joking that this is really an optimum first meeting. Same way, if they have barely managed to save anyone or anything from an entire planet and race, he immediately points out what a handful that small victory is - and says, with perhaps forced certainty (is he trying to convince himself or her?) that they (or is it he?) won't lose Cally over this. I'm just going by my own experience with high stress situations. A lot of awful, I-can't-believe-I-said-that jokes get made. But you'd fall apart completely if you didn't. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Blakes7 November 2001