Blakes7 March 2001

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Re: [B7L] Hurt/Comfort and all that
by Tavia 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Julie: >Well Done Annie, and God Bless America for allowing us >to drown ourselves in all that porn. Rather porn than censorship. >And it hasn't harmed us at all has it? Not noticeably, no. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Horizon and Redemption
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/1/01 2:21:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ashton7(a)aol.com writes: << There is an old story that someone sent Gareth Thomas a copy of one of the issues with a story about Blake and Jenna doing the wild thing. Supposedly, he sent it back with "notes" such as "That would be very painful" and the like. I don't know whether that story is apophycral or not.>> I've heard this anecdote as well. As I recall, the story in question featured Blake and one of the other B7 protagonists doing something up against the trunk of a tree, and Gareth impishly commented "That would be very painful." Perhaps someone might recall the story by that nookie detail... Leah

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Re: The Romance of Hijacking
by Harriet Monkhouse 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Julia quoted Mistral: >>Looks more like Phileo with hints of Agape to me - >>you really cannot have 'Blake' if it's Agape; and >>while I personally can't see it as Eros, I can see >>how somebody who wanted to see Eros could >> read it as Phileo tinged with Eros. > >Here working my way through a loooong backlog... > >Would someone with greater knowledge or better access to an >OED than I currently have care to elaborate on the five types? And I keep meaning to ask why phileo rather than philia when agape and eros are both nouns? Or are we into some other declension I have forgotten? Harriet

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Re: [B7L] Re: in calm discussion (was Deliverance)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

In a message dated 2/26/01 1:23:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mac4781(a)aol.com writes: << Those brief answers just might indicate they don't want to be studied. Or as Sally very aptly put it-- "I start feeling uncomfortable, a little like a lab rat who hasn't been asked before the electrodes go in." >> Yes, well, that was certainly *my* immediate thought in response to Fiona's statements. Uh, maybe I don't want to be studied, especially in such a manner. Maybe I also don't want to have my motives for liking certain types of fan fiction examined and I certainly don't particularly care to be *told* why I like something and what that something "is" (in complete disagreement to my own stated preferences and what *I* believe that something "is"). This is, in fact, the crux of the problem many fans had with Camille Bacon-Smith and Henry Jenkins' books about fandom. Many fans were highly offended that they had been part of some sort of "study." Personally, I have never had a problem with either book or either author... but, then, both authors had spoken directly to both Leah and myself and I remember even signing a release with one of them. So, we *did* know what they were up to. Apparently, there were a good number of fans who didn't know and didn't take kindly to be the basis of someone's academic lab experiment. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Hurt/Comfort and all that
by Mac4781＠aol.com 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Annie wrote: > So, I intend to take credit for being partially responsible for inventing > those sub-genres. ;-) Those are chicken feed compared to your real accomplishment. ;) You are also responsible for putting Tarrant on the map, so to speak. In the Southern Comfort 6.5 editorial you wrote: "Isn't it amazing how Tarrant has been enjoying such an upsurge in popularity of late? There are several Tarrant stories in this issue, much more than the norm." Some fans translated that to mean "Tarrant is taking over fandom." At MediaWest the month after the zine came out, fans would make it a point to stop by our room and say things like "You know, Avon really *is* the most popular character." We would close our door and giggle until our sides hurt. Such an overreaction to a *few* stories. The "Panic of '91" is one of my fondest MW memories. Thanks, Annie. Carol Mc

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FW: [B7L] Horizon and Redemption
by Predatrix 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

> > Besides Judith Proctor is on the lyst and so > >my point about her being as bright as a plank of wood is a good one. > > > That isn't a "point." It's a "personal insult." > > If you have a point of view you hope to persuade others to adopt, > resorting > to insults is not the way to go about it. > > Especially when your target is a woman who was majorly responsible for > producing a Con that so many Lyst members have just finished enjoying, and > who has done many other things to benefit fans and fandom for > years and years. Hear hear! Judith is the woman who was capable of holding a slash debate which was *astonishingly* reasonable and well-moderated, where people could learn about other people's opinions without feeling attacked. Some other persons could usefully learn from this. Cheers, Pred'x (...mildly wondering why her killfile is now bulging...)

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Re: [B7L] Horizon and Redemption
by Mac4781＠aol.com 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Susan Beth wrote: > Especially when your target is a woman who was majorly responsible for > producing a Con that so many Lyst members have just finished enjoying, and > who has done many other things to benefit fans and fandom for years and > years. Well said, Susan Beth. And Courtney and Neil and others who have spoken up. It occurred to me this morning that the women (Diane, Annie, Judith) who have been under attack are three of the fans who have contributed the most to B7 over the years. I certainly appreciate all of their contributions. Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] Horizon and Redemption
by Julie Oppenheimer 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Judith Proctor said- >I started writing a long post and then decided that the only person who >could >speak for Gareth Thomas was Gareth himself. > >This is what he said - "I'm very sad that somebody should be citing me who >is so >obviously unaware. I will not be quoted as a 'fandom wedge' when the BBC >and >the press are trying hard enough to split us all apart anyway. Please >listen >before you quote, and never quote out of context." > >ie. (this is roughly paraphrasing what he said in explanation of the >above) He will not be used in any way in fan disagreements. He will not >take sides in any >dispute between myself, Diane or anyone else. He does not want to be seen >as >taking sides in any debate regarding slash or any other issue and does not >want >anyone to make any assumptions at all regarding his views on anything. > I can't speak for the rest of you, but I think ringing up Gareth Thomas and asking him what he thinks of Gay porn ect. featuring himself,is probably one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. What did you expect him to say, "Yes I love it. The harder the better!" How would Judith Proctor like it is I produced a fanzine which had explicit drawings of her and Steve Rogerson? Diane Gies may be raving mad, but look at the people she's up against. It's enough to send anyone to the funny farm. Julie _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: fan fiction workshop
by Tavia 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Steve wrote: >I've read the comments from Tavia and Neil on this and I'm sorry it didn't >work out. I've passed those comments onto the rest of the committee and >we'll look at ways we can make it more productive next time. I'd just like to say, in case it's not clear, this workshop stuck out as a low-point partly because the overall standard of the Redemption panels and debates was so superb. I thoroughly enjoyed losing my con virginity. Kudos and thanks to all the organisers (not to mention all the Lyst members who contributed to the informal bar panels...) Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Horizon and Redemption
by Sally Manton 01 Mar '01

01 Mar '01

Susan Beth wrote: <Especially when your target is a woman who was majorly responsible for producing a Con that so many Lyst members have just finished enjoying, and who has done many other things to benefit fans and fandom for years and years.> Agreed absolutely; and is someone I've found to be one of the nicest and most thoughtful (in all senses of the word) of all the people I've 'met' on the Lyst. I really *don't* want to get involved in yet another argument (two days before I fly off and you hear so much less from me for oh, weeks and week ...) but I really think those remarks were uncalled for. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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