Blakes7 March 2001

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Re: Mixed zines
by Steve Rogerson 27 Mar '01

27 Mar '01

Tavia asked: "I guess it is incumbent upon the editors of mixed zines to be particularly careful -- not that there are that many of us around. (Are there any others? asks she, glancing round...)" I thought Paula and I's zine was pretty mixed -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent The 25th Anniversary Blake's 7 Convention The 10th Anniversary Babylon 5 Convention http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: Willow and Tara
by Steve Rogerson 27 Mar '01

27 Mar '01

Though I agree that it was clumsily introduced, we were given the hint about in the previous series when we saw that Willow would have shown her bisexuality earlier if she had become a vampire. This suggested to me that the arc had been planned. However, I am glad that it was introduced. There are many teenagers growing up unsure of their sexuality, and gay relationships are generally treated badly in the press and can lead to taunting and bullying from other children. To show such a positive gay relationship in a popular TV show can only be a good thing to help others who are gay come to terms with their sexuality. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent The 25th Anniversary Blake's 7 Convention The 10th Anniversary Babylon 5 Convention http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] zine editing
by Mac4781＠aol.com 27 Mar '01

27 Mar '01

Shane wrote: > I'm sure that is your experience, but Ashton Press have their fingers in > many fandoms, not just B7. Ever wondered why? Especially when you consider > that Annie or Leah have repeatedly failed to demonstrate any real interest > whatsoever in what B7 was about, and in fact have demonstrated a clear > dislike for some of the main actors involved. Needs investigation, I feel. Well then, why don't you go conduct that investigation? And when you're ready to level specific charges, come back and tell us about it. Carol Mc

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Re: [B7L] zine editing
by Tavia 27 Mar '01

27 Mar '01

Julia wrote: >Shane, how would you like to edit a Blake's 7 anthology zine? >Yes, I'm perfectly serious and not just pulling your leg, the good >Citizens will confirm that. Given the current burnout rate, another >editor who believes in editing as well as publishing would not go >amiss. Nor would another take on zine format. I will admit to >personal interest in this - I think I might like a B7 zine edited to >your tastes, going by what you've been saying. Seconded. (Speaking as one of Julia's earlier converts...) The more the merrier. Judging from the response I've had, there are plenty of people who like to write for print zines, and more material going begging than there's B7 zine space to put it in. Tavia

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RE: [B7L] reasons
by Tavia 27 Mar '01

27 Mar '01

Neil: >As I've said before, and will doubtless have to say >over and over, that story [[Nickey Barnard's 'Haunted']] >is *gen*. Whilst I agree, that ain't what its detractors say. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] the politics of slash
by Tavia 27 Mar '01

27 Mar '01

Alison wrote (and Fiona said something very similar): >It would have a relevance to women if it changed the way men related to them >in real life. For example if a man thought that a woman saying she was a >lesbian (for instance in a work context) meant she was up for a threesome. I >do think this sometimes happens. >If men came away from other kinds of pornography thinking that 'no means >yes' and so on, it could also affect real women in an adverse way. I think >all these worries mainly apply to the sort of men who only have male >friends, and don't really talk (or converse via email) to women that much. I see what you mean. I do wonder what proportion of men actually fall into this category though. >You know some men don't even talk to their wives about sex. Uh, yes, I was married to one for most of the last decade.... Fiona wrote: >Yes, agreed, but also feel that it's more complex than that. IMO a >financially and sexually independent heterosexual woman, bi woman and >lesbian are all threats to the patriarchy, but in rather different ways. The >lesbian because she is demonstrably living without men; the heterosexual >woman because she is demonstrating that it is possible to live within the >heterosexual norm and still be independent, and the bisexual because she >has the best of both, as it were :). I'd say all three are also affected by >m-o "lesbian" porn as well, but in different ways. Broadly agreed, I suppose. I'd also say that men can (and do) challenge patriarchal attitudes too. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] the politics of slash
by huh＠ccm.net 27 Mar '01

27 Mar '01

> > And which would have been very cheap to do and would have been incredibly > visual. Yes, I like that idea. > > > Una but b7 only does very cheap and NOT incredibly visual. if it doesn't look cheap, they don't want it! ;) huh? ----------------------------------------------------- This message was sent via the CCMnet Mailman. Visit our website: http://www.ccm.net

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RE: [B7L] reasons
by Shane Little 27 Mar '01

27 Mar '01

Julia _did_ write: >In message <GGHKJDDGBJPENAAA(a)angelfire.com>, Shane Little ><littles(a)angelfire.com> writes > >Julia Wrote: > > > >>Shane wrote: > >> > > >> >>But if they're presenting two characters in a gay relationship, then > >they > >> >>_are_ writing about my lifestyle. I'm a gay man in a gay relationship. > >> > >>By the same token, then, is every piece of het fic written about the > >>lifestyle of every person who is in a het relationship? Should people in > >>het relationships get upset every time they read a book in which some het > ><snip> > >Julia wrote no such thing, even though Julia agrees with the broad >sentiment of what was quoted. *Please*, Shane, it's clear that this >topic is pretty personal for you, but try to keep the attributions >right. This isn't the first time you've got mixed up. Sorry, _Susan Beth_ wrote. My bad, and my apologies to both Julia and Susan. The reason is, call charges being what they are, I tend to write out my answers offline in WordPad and then go online and cut-and-paste them into the web browser. Which sometimes leads to embarrassing mistakes :-)... Shane Hal Mellanby: I think it would be good for Dayna to get away from here. She should experience other worlds... other people. Avon: She could have some surprises coming. Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015

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RE: [B7L] reasons
by Shane Little 27 Mar '01

27 Mar '01

Louise wrote: > > >But there are Muslims and Muslims, too. Some Muslims interpret the Koran >in > >a very strict and literalistic way; some don't. Bosnian Muslims live a >much > >different lifestyle to Afghan Muslims and Saudi Arabians, and all of these > >live much different lifestyles to Cat Stevens. But none of them are any >less > >Muslims, and if any one of these objected to the portrayal of their > >religion, you can't just say "Oh, but the others aren't objecting, so it's > >OK." > >But to continue this analogy, since Muslims cannot agree amongst themselves >what their religion entails, then isn't whatever I write going to be >considered wrong by somebody? And since I cannot write about it at all >without causing someone to object, should that take away my right to write >it? No, definitely not! But it does say to me that if you're going to write about Muslims, you should learn a bit about what the different groups are, and make sure that the descriptions you've got for them are right for the group you're writing about. Or to make the decision to throw all that information to one side, if you feel the story justifies it. But you should have the information to begin with. What I meant is that it's a very different > >thing to share your house and life with a man than with a woman, and some >of > >these differences are really very subtle. > >And on this subject I haven't enough knowledge to comment But there are ways of finding out if you want to... Shane "Well I think we can say we're in business..." --Servalan Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015

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Re: [B7L] Homophobia
by Tavia 27 Mar '01

27 Mar '01

Claudia wrote: >Talk about your excluded middle... I'm introducing a bunch >of people to Blake's 7 this school year ... I was referring to people who'd known and loved the series for a long time (in my case around 20 years) before first encountering slash. Tavia

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