Blakes7 March 2001

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Re: [B7L] Re: slash
by Ashton7＠aol.com 04 Mar '01

04 Mar '01

Here is a main stream article on slash for those who are interested: http://slate.msn.com/Features/fanfic/SideB02.asp If you click on the link near the bottom, it will also take you back to the main article, which is about fan fiction. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Simple misunderstanding? (was in calm discussion)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 04 Mar '01

04 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/2/01 1:38:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Louise.Rutter(a)btinternet.com writes: << I have to say that I took your first two posts to be critical of Jenkins. It wasn't clear whether the fans who were complaining had been directly involved in the study - if so, then Jenkins had clearly communicated poorly with those fans. I now gather from your further posts that the fans who were critical had _not_ been directly involved in the study at all, though I don't think you ever explicitly stated that. In which case Jenkins hasn't done anything wrong at all. >> I'm sorry that you or anyone else would misunderstand me that way, Louise. Frankly, I don't know how anyone would think I was being critical of Henry when I explicitly stated, numerous times, that both Leah and I knew him, corresponded with him, and neither one of us ever had a problem with anything he did. You can't be more explicitly *non-critical* than that. The fact that I reported that other fans did not enjoy what he or Camille did as much as we did is simply that. A fact that I reported. Please don't shoot the messenger. The only thing that prompted my posts in the first place was that it seemed to me numerous people were quoting from Henry's book and holding up his opinions as some sort of gospel of fandom that couldn't be argued with. I made the statement that his work was hardly akin to Joseph Campbell. That, again, was not meant to be critical of Henry (or Camille, who also wrote a big book about fandom which I *don't* see being quoted constantly here), but rather a statement of my own opinion that neither book is any kind of "gospel" in my mind. If anything, I was being critical (although hopefully not in a harsh way; I meant no kind of flame) of the people who were quoting Henry's book. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Atomic war [Re: Brit-char-speak]
by Ashton7＠aol.com 04 Mar '01

04 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/4/01 7:25:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, 101637.2064(a)compuserve.com writes: << I occasionally wonder if the apparent Britishness of the Federation indicates that the Atomic War wiped out the Americans. And for that matter the Russians. Though how the British survived being in the middle I have no idea. >> That's an interesting idea and one that Leah and actually discussed over lunch the other day. The problem with the idea is, as you say, how is it that Britain would have survived *and* survived to the point that they have space travel and have established a galxy-wide Federation? If it was Australia we were talking about, I'd actually find that more feasible. Annie

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Humor Warning (was Atomic war)
by Mac4781＠aol.com 04 Mar '01

04 Mar '01

Harriere wrote: > I occasionally wonder if the apparent Britishness of the Federation > indicates that the Atomic War wiped out the Americans. And for that matter > the Russians. Though how the British survived being in the middle I have > no idea. I don't know the details, but I'm certain cricket is the key. Carol Mc

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RE: [B7L] Terrorism and UK media
by Tavia 04 Mar '01

04 Mar '01

Fiona wrote: >Off the top of my head-- "Edge of Darkness" (1985); >"Knights of God" (1987) (Gareth Thomas as a Welsh >nationalist, btw!) I always knew I was televisually incompetent. Tavia (PS: the web site, my sole source of Lyst company, seems to have been down for ages, so if you want me to reply to something suggest you cc it to me personally)

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Hello/Redemption
by David "Servalan" Walsh 04 Mar '01

04 Mar '01

Hello Everyone, The ruler of the universe is here. :o) Re: Kathryn's report on Redemption, the song I threw my flyers around the room was ABBA's "Money Money Money" NOT "Hey Big Spender". The woman who she spoke to on Monday morning was also the woman who stormed out of the slash debate on Sunday night. I would like to add what a fab time I had at Redemption and speaking to Gareth earlier this evening he had a fab time too, it was well organised and fun place to be. I would also like to thank Iian for partnering me in a little dance routine on the stage to "I will Survive". -- David "Servalan" Walsh The Alternative Servalan servalan(a)alternativeservalan.com

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Re: [B7L] Science Fiction and Political Reality (Long - was Brit-char-speak)
by M 04 Mar '01

04 Mar '01

political subtexts aside, I always thought Blake's fanatacism was a way to get rid of him i.e. - if he's not a total hero the audience wont mind Avon taking over. Now you mention it though although being born in 1978 I didn't see it originally, having grown up in the 80's in mainlland UK, I can see where this is coming from. I remember the Trek episode being banned and also know that the main train stations around the country also dont have bins. In a society where 'unattended bags will be removed', I can see there being a similarity. The only thing is though as the Federation is a fascist regime where murder, false accusations etc etc are common place, would a Blakeist regime mean that even the terrorism committed by him pales in comparison to the atrosities of the federation? M. (posting while eating a couple of McVities Milk Chocolate biccies, all this talk of chocolate made me hungry). _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Re: [B7L] Kathryn's convention report
by Ashton7＠aol.com 04 Mar '01

04 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/2/01 1:57:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, una(a)q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes: << Many visitors comment on this unique aspect of London life. Alas, it's the curse of living in a nation where bomb attacks on the capital city are a very real possibility. >> That's fascinating. Why does that lead to no rubbish bins? (I honestly don't know the answer.) Annie

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Re: [B7L] Science Fiction and Political Reality (Long - was Brit-char-speak)
by Sestina94＠aol.com 04 Mar '01

04 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/3/01 12:21:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, tavia(a)btinternet.com writes in response to my comment about Boucher and Nation copping out in loading the dice against Blake in season two: << I'm not convinced that the makers of B7 had much of a choice here: the extent of terrorist action against the UK government probably made any other course of action impossible. It's easy perhaps to underestimate the effect that terrorist action has had on ordinary UK citizens over the past decades (e.g., Kathryn's 'where are the waste bins' question), e.g., commuting to London (early 90s) I recall approximately 1--2 bombs/bomb scares per week closing either chunks of the Underground or the major London stations.... In a society where large numbers of people have been affected directly or indirectly by terrorist action, valorizing terrorist actions on public-subsidised television would simply be impossible. >> I agree with what you say here to some extent. And I think you are right to point out that my "blaming" of Boucher and Nation for copping out by not to continue to valorize Blake is really due to factors more widespread than just the individual beliefs or fears of two people. Really, your comment about the bomb scares in the London Underground shows the extent to which such fear was widespread, legitimate and that Boucher and Nation were really at some level playing with fire in the whole premise of the show itself. Still, it's the impossibility that you mention here that strikes me. I wonder what it would be like were it indeed possible for Boucher and Nation to have continue to valorize Blake at the same time that real political groups were using similar tactics against the British State. Were it possible to do this, would B7 have possibly opened up a space of debate about the nature of "terrorism" that it is now virtually impossible to locate let alone discuss? I'm not quite sure what this space would look like but it seems that in valorizing Blake's actions as a "freedom fighter" I guess Boucher and Nation run the risk of possibly having their audience see the tactics of say the IRA as legitimate political actions, no less legitimate than Blake's. Two things: First, I'm wondering first if that could have really happened -- I mean, I think I'm assuming too quickly a transfer from the level of fiction to the level of reality. And quite frankly, I honestly don't think people are all that consistent in their beliefs, so what looks right in a fictional universe we may still affirm as wrong in the "real" world. And second, I'm also wondering what possible effect it may have had in terms of reformulating the debate about what is and isn't "terrorism." The fascinating thing about B7 to me is the way in which it makes me take seriously the actions (blowing stuff up) that in another context I would be likely to dismiss out of hand as unacceptable, simplistically violent and illegitmate. Anyway, looks like I'm still stuck in the "Blake: Terrorist or Freedom Fighter Panel "at Redemption ..... Pat C.

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Baths [was Re: Brit-char-speak]
by Harriet Monkhouse 04 Mar '01

04 Mar '01

Dana wrote: >There is a canonical reference to Avon thinking >about something "while I was in the the bath" Is that "while I was bathing" in Rescue? >and Tarrant says that Vila can have a "hot tub >whether he wants one or not" after cleaning out >the glycolene tank. Which might indicate that there are two references in fourth season, which establish the presence of baths at Xenon Base. Did anyone mention a bath on the Liberator? Jarriet

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