Blakes7 March 2001

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Horizon and Redemption
by heather wheeler 03 Mar '01

03 Mar '01

As someone who has always been hesitant to get involved in discussions, I would just like to comment that if I had joined the lyst in the last couple of weeks I would have immediately fled in terror! The worry that remarks might result in a personal attack does not encourage new members to participate. I attended Redemption, which was my first convention, and although I recognised some of the badge names as members of this lyst I was too shy to come and introduce myself! I did talk briefly to Judith Proctor however, who I found to be friendly and helpful. I hope to go to the next Redemption - by which time, I may have been brave enough to share my opinions with you all! Hev

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Re: [B7L] Cadbury bars...
by Deborah Day 03 Mar '01

03 Mar '01

This email was delivered to you by The Free Internet, a Business Online Group company. http://www.thefreeinternet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- so many and so cheap in comparative terms Annie. But my all time favourite chocolate thingy is Cadbury's Mad About Chocolate eggs - like a Creme Egg but with gooey chocolate stuff in the middle ... not quite so sickly but much more addictive - you can eat far more of them before you feel sick. Trouble is, the only place I can find them now is Esso petrol stations - Sainsburys etc have stopped stocking them as they aren't populare enough. Why is it that anything that is any good, like Blake's 7, gets stopped? Debbie

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Re: Propulsion of Spaceships
by seven＠gaudaprime.com 03 Mar '01

03 Mar '01

Debbie D. wrote Thinking about the voyage of the London set me thinking about what made the spaceships go in the future. David Whatever it was, it could have been turned around and used as a weapon from Blake Blake: Let them think you are dead. Plasma ammunition is scarce. from Rescue Dayna: Each of these is a different mode. You clip them into the basic handgun and you've got a weapon for every occasion: Laser, plasma bullet, percussion shell, micro grenade, stun, drug. from Duel Zen: Three plasma bolts launched and running. David Plasma was used in the weaponry of at least two non-Federation groups, and Federation Pursuit Ships used the same raw material in their weaponry. from Star Drive Tarrant: But Orac, Dr. Plaxton was head of the Federation Space Drive Research Center. Orac: At the time of the Federation's collapse, the doctor was developing a new space drive system that used light to exert thrust instead of plasma: the photonic drive or the Star Drive machine, as it is known. David That same plasma was the primary propellant of Federation craft. Avon: We can't risk a patrol detecting plasma radiation from sustained thrust. ... Slave: No external or internal sensors are functioning in the main drive plasma chamber or the main thrust tube David Scorpio used plasma to exert thrust too. We are not told what plasma was. It is unlikely to have been the hydrogen nucleus with a photon, because Plaxton's photonic research was something new. It couldn't have been hydrogen with a tachyon because until the time of Egrorian, tachyons were theoretical. from Horizon Blake: The ore is important to them, that much I understand. Ro: It is important to us all. It is needed for the latest hyper-space ships that will send men into new galaxies. We are one of the only two planets with a rich seam of monopasium-239. David With the closure of Silmareno to the Federation, the latter had only one source for monopasium, which closure would have provoked a change of policy, doubtless to increase mining at the other source of monopasium, and also to accelerate Drive building programmes. Ro speaks of these ships as being in existence at the time of speaking but his use of the present and future tenses is confusing (see messages 38791, 38914, 5, & 6). The difference lies in the number two-three-nine. Ro's tone suggests a difference between monopasium and monopasium-239, the implication being that the Federation knew about monopasium in general before discovering isotope 239. from Star Drive Avon: If we want to keep this heap of ironmongery operational, we have to visit Altern Five in order to recover selsium ore to make fuel crystals. David The monopasium ore was likely processed similarly to selsium, ie. converted into fuel crystals. Debbie It seems the Liberator was different - the alien in Sarcophagus said that it could go indefinitely by recharging itself (on what?). David On crystals? from City Tarrant: I had no choice, Cally. We've got to have those crystals for the weaponry system. ... Look, without those crystals, the main blasters are useless. David If the weaponry system runs on crystals, the main drive might also run on crystals but thinking of the Liberator as a gift of the cosmos, a different track reveals itself. The Green Bulb at the rear reminds one of switching in electricity. Electricity requires something on front as well as behind; if there is no circuit, there is no propagation of electrons (assuming electricity is merely the movement of electrons). The switch in the circuit makes or breaks the circuit. from Cygnus Alpha Jenna: There was certainly a lot of power in it. Did you get a blackout effect? Blake: Yes. Jenna: So did I. Avon: Negative hyperspace. Blake: You mean we crossed the anti-matter interface? David If hyperspace has a negative component which the Liberator can make use of, perhaps time also has a negative component, which also can be made use of. Whereas positive time travels in the direction we are familiar with, negative time travels in the opposite direction. Time travels in two streams: One moves from the past through the present and into the future; the other moves from the future through the present and into the past. The two streams of time are separate but when the negative stream is twanged, a connection between the two streams becomes possible. It becomes feasible for the two streams to join and produce a circuit. In that event, a space-craft that distorted time would resemble a switch. In the same way that electricity requires a switch and circuit, so the cosmos requires a Time-Distort mechanism and the streams of time (and space). The cosmos requires time-distorting craft is what I am conjecturing. Debbie (on ships recharging themselves) We do not hear about this with the Federation ships. I presume they do not use some type of petrol, as they would keep running out in the middle of a battle. You can just imagine it - all pursuit ships stranded somewhere and Travis having to walk back with an empty can. So they must also have either had some sort of recharge facility, or else refueling tankers every so often. David In series one and two, where the Federation was strong, refuelling was not an issue from Volcano Servalan: This is Servalan calling Federation battle fleet commander. ... Your position is confirmed. Maintain until further instructions. B.F.C.: Very Well, Madam President. But I would remind you I do have fuel problems. Can you bring me nearer the objective? from Orbit Egrorian: The shuttle will run out of fuel in twenty minutes from now. It will hit the ground in a marshy area some two hundred and seven miles west of here. Debbie I guess the London being a much slower type of ship hardly used any juice of whatever sort. David The London seemingly doesn't refuel for the duration of its journey, which period is arguably some sixteen months return. This is possible under the law of the conservation of momentum and the fact they gave a higher priority to fuel than water from Way Back Avon: Why all the questions, or is it merely a thirst for knowledge? ... Dainer: I'm always thirsty, Vila. Debbie You can hardly imagine Servalan putting up with an 8 month trip - she seemed to be jetting about all over the place. David Forget Servalan. Durkim is the real power from Star One Officer: Flagship Galileo reports Galactic Eigth Fleet under way. Estimate achieve coordinates in four hours. Officer: Cruiser Beagle now estimating rendezvous in three hours and seventeen minutes. Officer: Flotillas Fourteen and Sixteen confirm four hours and eight minutes. Durkim: But what happens in the meantime? David Durkim is anxious, anxious over hours. He knows the flotillas will arrive at that remote spot in hours, not days. Durkim's attitude has integrated within it the knowledge of a recently increased capability of the Federation's Battle-Cruisers. The Federation has, within the second series, made some progress from ordinary hyper-space plasma thrust (but is not necessarily inter-Galactic). Debbie It can't have been some sort of drawing energy directly from vacuum as that would imply limitless energy, but you never hear of any of the ships either refuelling or doing anything similar. The Liberator could recharge itself quite quickly. David Perhaps plasma was a combination of hydrogen and mono-pasium (pasium, plasium, plasma ?). Monopasium came from only one source (after Horizon) but hydrogen is given freely by the cosmos. DC http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=38791 http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=38914 http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=38915 http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=38916

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Redemption 03 Formal Announcement
by Steve Rogerson 03 Mar '01

03 Mar '01

Redemption 03 will be held from the 21st to the 23rd of February 2003 at the Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent, UK. It will be billed as: The 25th Anniversary Blake's 7 Convention and The 10th Anniversary Babylon 5 Convention This will be a fan run event with all profits to charity. It will concentrate on fannish activities that let people join in rather than just sit in audience and listen. As at the two previous Redemptions, games will play a major part with role playing games and board games featuring alongside quizzes and competitions. Other events will include workshops, panels, debates, masquerade, drinking and so on. The first guest to be announced is Blake's 7 script editor Chris Boucher, subject to work committments. Other guests will be announced later. Hotel rates are 40 pound sharing, 57 pound single, including breakfast. Convention rates: Full adult weekend 50 pound, or 45 pound before September 2002 and 40 pound before the end of March 2001. Weekend on the door will be 55 pound. Adult one day in advance 30 pound and on the door 35 pound Child (under 14) 15 pound for the weekend and 10 pound for a day. Under 3s are fee Apocryphal memberships (for teddy bears etc) are one pound if accompanied by a paying human being. Supporting membership is 15 pound and this can be updated to a full membership at any time at the rate at that time. Cheques should be made payable to "Redemption" and sent to Lesley McIntee, 26 Kings Meadow View, Wetherby LS22 7FX, UK. You can also pay by credit card via the web site for a small charge. http://www.smof.com/redemption If anyone is on any other lists or news groups relevant to this, can you please forward it to them? Thankyou. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: Re [B7L] PWP (porn? what porn?)
by littles＠lycos.co.uk 03 Mar '01

03 Mar '01

> From: <littles(a)lycos.co.uk> > > > Does pornographic material distort fans' > > > minds? I very much doubt it. > > > > IMO that's a sticky one, though... I > wouldn't say that pornography > distorts anyone's mind, any more than violent > movies (etc.) do, either. But > if you're fed a steady diet of the stuff, with > no corrective factor from > other material (a healthy sexual partnership, > a fondness for great > literature, psychotherapy...), I think it > might have some bearing on how you > view reality, relationships, etc... > > > > I've seen this happen too often in the gay > community. > Why single out any one particular community? > It happens in every community, > throughout the whole of society, every minute > of every day. I think you _know_ what I'm talking about. Reality is > constructed for us from birth. We are 'fed a > steady diet' of something we > like to think of as 'reality' throughout our > lives, whether it's nude art or > billboard posters for jeans. And these don't affect our perceptions? I'd like to see the social scientists on the Lyst come in on this one. Who is to say > that a 'healthy sexual > partnership' is a necessary thing, or even a > good thing, let alone a > fondness for great literature (who defines the > 'great'?), and the equation > of psychotherapy as a 'corrective factor' is > something I find very > disturbing. Perhaps these were bad examples... what I meant to say was that if you receive one single discourse, then your whole perception of the genre is going to be shaped around that discourse. If there are multiple discourses, then healthy debate can take place. Or, in other words: Porn alone = no debate Porn + other modes of expression = debate. Now, I don't like the hardcore anti-porn people. I don't like the hardcore pro-porn ones either. But perhaps what we need is a bit more in the way of alternative modes of expression? What were those five forms of Greek love that Mistral was on about again? > Not, however, as disturbing as sly > insinuations of homophobia. Neil, to accuse me of homophobia is like accusing the pope of being anti-Catholic. Let's just say when I speak of the gay community, I speak from personal experience ;)... Shane 'Avon, you were my only friend...' -Blake

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Re:cyberspace and fanfic
by Helen Krummenacker 03 Mar '01

03 Mar '01

> > I'm surprised that more writers haven't exploited the possibilities opened > up by cyberspace, since it lets you put the characters virtually anywhere > you could imagine. > > Neil That may actually be part of it. People like defined spaces and boundaries. Virtual reality makes anything possible, but where anything is truely possible people become uncomfortable. Is anything what it seems to be? Can you expect the laws of physics to stay in effect? How many writers want to stretch the borders that far? How many readers are willing to give themselves over to a story where a scene between Avon and Blake could end up with Servalan removing the VR gear and telling Travis, also stepping out of gear, that they seem to have finally managed the perfect imitations of the rebels, and now they can get on with creating computer generated news vilifying them. The character junkies would probably feel cheated that the scene wasn't real at all. Likewise a caper story with Avona nd Vila might turn out to be a consensual shared hallucination they are using to speed-train each other in their respective skills, because Avon would be seeing through Vila's eyes and feeling through his fingers as he handled his lockpicks, and Vila was shadowing Avon's movements through computer screens. The cross-skilling would be valuable and if they had the equipment and trust, they very well might try it. But the rebel-cheering enthusiast might feel let down that no power plant was really blown up in the making of this shared hallucination.

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Re: Art of list-members...
by Helen Krummenacker 03 Mar '01

03 Mar '01

> > I am thinking of doing a fanzine that contains some explicit porn, with > > artwork of you and Steve Rogerson, but before I start can I have your > > permission, and would you like to pose for the more complex images? > > Well <grin>, please can you make me twenty years younger and give Steve a > six-pack stomach? After all, fan art always tries to give them the best > possible bodies. > > If you do artwork, please can I have a copy to hang on my office wall? Shall I make a point of announcing to the Lyst when Allan and I finally put our artwork on the Net? After all, I'm the torso of Isis, an entire naked pixie (with red wig for effect), my derriere graces a non-fantasy background for a floral (which my aunt bought the original of). It'll give someone material to work from if they want to do pictures of me and the Blake's 7 crew. Can you guess I'm not taking this seriously? As for Paul Darrow, he was disappointed when I told him "no" when he asked if the poem I'd written about him was smutty. But this was in 1991, perhaps his attitude changed later. Neil, some blue jays in my backyard are mooning me. Wonder if they want to be in the pictures, too?

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Aussie Con attendee ( was 'Out of the frying pan' )
by Ashton7＠aol.com 03 Mar '01

03 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/2/01 3:32:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, una(a)q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes: << > Where does that leave Australian products ?? :-) Can't speak for Australian products, but NZ chocolate was just amazing - so much, so many different Cadburys bars... >> Aaaargh! Leah and I would love to sample some confectionary from New Zealand and Australia. Sadly, we haven't been able to afford a trip there yet. It amazes me how many Australian fans, both in B7 and in Highlander, manage to come to the US for conventions as often as they do. How the heck do you guys afford the airfares? Annie Not this fan I am afraid.. I have yet to attend a Con in this country let alone abscond overseas... Mind you part of that is not being able to leave my daughter, the other part is lack of finances. :-) But it might help that we often have price wars between our airlines.. Domestic travelers are the present reaping the benefits.. And it would also depend on what the season is as well, there are often dramatic price differences between the summer and winter seasons. Carol 'Hondo' CaraZines

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Sorry about this...
by Helen Krummenacker 03 Mar '01

03 Mar '01

In a moment of blatent idocy, I thought my attempt to stop receiving digests from the list (temporarily) wasn't working just because I got a few after changing my status. Another look shows these were some that were delayed (that problem I mentioned about getting digests out of order). So I wrote a few replies to posts, which means I won't see replies to my replies unless someone hits "reply all". I am not leaving the list for good. This is primarily just to give me time to work on fanfic and such for a while. I'll probably pop in on the archives from time to time to see what's going on. I have also been motivated for this time out because of some of the technical problems and because I really think most of the recent acrimonious discussions are unproductive. I also think anyone using a sig file that suggests their debating partner be quiet should consider that we are not oblivious to this form of implied rudeness so all such persons calls for civility come across as hypocricy. I do still want to do the original-character-oriented fanzine. Anyone with questions, submissions, or who wants to suggest a name for it, please email me directly. In fact, that's one of the fanfics I want to work on, the comments about detective stories made me decide to do my own post-The Way Back story in hard-boiled style.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's stress
by M 02 Mar '01

02 Mar '01

As per Helen's post - yes I agree, he would have said this at any point. I've been thinking about this since I posted it and dont think I explained myself very well - the trouble with posting after a long shift. I do think he is being defiant and standing up for his rights - my interpretation of his suicidel/ depression is at this point it is very subliminal. Totally me reading into this, but I see it as him realising afterwards perhaps that he really did mean it, that he wants to take a break, or possibly more serious. Then slowly his mood and attitude chamging. Then what with the false Blake encounter and Cally's death, i think it was 5 straws after the one that broke the camels back. I didnt know about the 'cannon', but I have to say I disagree, I dont think Avon knew Cally would not let him die. He might suspect, but after Anna and his lack of trust anyway - to trust a Cally taken over by an alien, her track record isnt very good. I think at that point he believed he could be killed. M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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