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Re: [B7L] Re: When "Animals" camouflage
by Jenny Kaye 19 May '01

19 May '01

Slasher Annie said Jacqueline said > > > ><< Anyway, this accomplishment means that I feel that you should be > >nominated > > as our next ruler of the universe. Or is it too early to send in > > nominations for the Redemption '03 election? Steve? It's been tried. Adolf Hitler 1933 - 1945. > > Jacqueline > > > > Ps.: I hope you and Annie are feeling better by now. What's been done to > > you was truly horrible. >> A few comedy posts in their mail box. Boo Hooo. What about the sinister shit they've been doing for years? > >LOL. But, Jacqueline! What about MEEEEEEEE?!?! Told you. Raging ego. I'm feeling so horribly left > >out. And here we are again. I mean, Leah barely knows how to turn on a computer, but somehow she's > >secretly become another Servalan behind my back. ::::pouting:::: Not behind your back Annie. You knew all along. > > > >We feel okay and thanks for asking. Not surprised. > >When all else fails, send cartoons. ;-) Translated, that means get out the Pylene-50 and dope the lysters before they run away. When animal camouflage breaks down. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 19 May '01

19 May '01

"Dana Shilling" wrote > > >The event > > > effectively destroyed B7 fandom in America > >There seems to be lots of B7 fandom left after this > >"destruction" There are some left. But a lot of them slashers. > > > Pornographic. This is interesting because the Ashton Press website is > >all > > > about pornography. > >Ashton Press has a long history of publishing, most of it gen. That's the sugar for the bitter pill. The gen will be contaminated as well though. I really > >like their publications, I know you do. > >but those who don't have the simple remedy of not > >buying them. An option a lot of them appear to have taken. That's why they've moved to Highlander. > > >So back and forth, from > > > fanfic to TV show, until eventually they become indistinguishable, and > >the > > > slash interpretation reigns supreme. Clever isn't it? It's called > > > brainwashing. > >You can't brainwash anyone by publishing fiction. That's just one element. > > >What you are perpetuating here a sickness. > >No, they're publishing and distributing magazines that have given a > >lot of pleasure to a lot of people over time. That's true. Sadly. But there are plenty of > >other B7 gen publishers for those who don't want to read slash fiction. The slash reading is the dominant one. It's feeding into the gen as well. > > > > >Until it happened, I wouldn't > > > > >have expected a fan to do this to another fan. Oh, Dana, you too? Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: When "Animals" camouflage
by Ashton7＠aol.com 19 May '01

19 May '01

In a message dated 5/19/01 5:07:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jacqueline.lyst(a)jthijsen.demon.nl writes: << Anyway, this accomplishment means that I feel that you should be nominated as our next ruler of the universe. Or is it too early to send in nominations for the Redemption '03 election? Steve? Jacqueline Ps.: I hope you and Annie are feeling better by now. What's been done to you was truly horrible. >> LOL. But, Jacqueline! What about MEEEEEEEE?!?! I'm feeling so horribly left out. I mean, Leah barely knows how to turn on a computer, but somehow she's secretly become another Servalan behind my back. ::::pouting:::: We feel okay and thanks for asking. When all else fails, send cartoons. ;-) Annie

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Re: Re [B7L] Curioser and curioser...
by Jenny Kaye 19 May '01

19 May '01

"Neil Faulkner" wrote: > >Satisfying to come from work and find the trap was properly baited. Like Alice I always like to believe five impossible things before breakfast. > >From: Jenny Kaye > > > > > An analysis by Jenny Kaye. > > > >An analysis *of* Jenny Kaye would make far more interesting reading. That's true. > > > > Yesterday > > > > >afternoon Fiona Moore sent me an email saying: > > > > > No she didn't. That was me. > > > >How honourable of you to own up to that. Thank you. Manipulating people offLyst to > >play your sordid little power games. Not people, just a mad dog. > > > > >As was presumably made clear by my accidental misposting last week, > > > > > > Bad move, Faulkner, you've just made a big slip there. This posting > >wasn't > > > accidental. He believed that Fiona and Jenny were the same people. > > > They aren't. Faulkner was setting a trap. > > > >The slip is yours. Lie. > >That posting *was* an accident. Lie. > >There was no trap. Lie again. I > >can't prove it, of course, You don't need to. > >but by the same token you can't prove anything > >to the contrary. I don't need to. > > You can't know. I do know. It's my job to know these things. > >You're just guessing, No I'm not Neil. and guessing wrongly > >as it happens. You're lying again Neil. > >Your readiness to jump to such conclusions undermines the > >credibility of any other claim you care to make. You know that I'm right. And it's important for you to know that. And you do know it. > > > > >I've been in offLyst contact with Moore. > > > > > > Yes, for a while. But she was so sick of your juvenile bollocks, that > >she handed it over to me. Do you remember my line "you're looking in the > >wrong place." I was trying to sound you out. But what I > > > discovered about you frightened the shit out of me. > > > >I find it incredible that I could frighten the shit out of anything braver > >than an abnormally timorous hamster. Quite what that makes you... I'd take an even bet that on the surface you're the quiet sort, aren't you? But with a keyboard in front of you.... > > > I can only say that the witty and > > > > >insightful poster she was onLyst > > > > > > That was Fiona. She'd like to hear that, if it weren't for the fact that > > > you've tried to stab her in the back. Shall I forward this to her? > > > >Do so. I already have. > >Only point out that I was backstabbing the person who's been > >posting to me over the last few weeks. If that wasn't Fiona, as you claim, then I > >can't have been backstabbing her, can I? False logic Faulkner. When you did it, you thought it was Fiona you were stabbing. The fact that you should try and deny it, may indicate some conscience there. But I doubt it. > >Unless you were using her as your > >shield. It's the other way round. > >You don't exactly come out covered in the right stuff either way. Ah, interesting. Defensive mechanism. You do feel shame after all. That could save you Neil, but I don't think you've got the brains to recognise it. > >You might also remind her that when I first started talking to her offLyst > >I made her a promise. I have kept to that promise, though I've had ample > >opportunity to break it. Because you know what'll happen if you do. Even you're not that stupid. You're a betrayer Neil face it. > > > swiftly turned into an obnoxious snotty > > > > >little cow, > > > > > No she didn't Neil. That was me again. Not as clever as you pretend, are > > > you? :-) > > > >As a self-proclaimed crusader against 'evil', you exhibit a certain > >capacity for that which you claim to be crusading against. To understand evil you sometimes have to have a touch of it yourself. > > > The handbag is my motif. You're now working backwards Neil. > > > >Don't waste my time with petty Rosenthal tactics. Ooooooooooooh. HAAAAAAADBAAAAAAG. You know I don't use her tactics. Though it's interesting that you made that equation. You know what Rosenthal is, but you didn't do anything about it, did you? You didn't want to do anything either. Cunt. > > > > >Furthermore, she used this personal correspondence to launch a stream > >of > > > > >vitriolic invective at Lysator > > > > > > That is something of a distortion. > > > >Debatable. A fudge. Learnt a few tactics from the slashers have we? > > > > >and just about everyone on it, > > > > > > That is a total lie. And I should know. I was writing all this shit. > > > >Very well. Maybe not everyone. A fudge again. > >Just those who are, in your own words > >'emotionally damaged'. Some of them are, that's true. And I'll tell you something else Faulkner, you agreed with me as well. You knew what was happening and you let it go on. You're an evil bastard Neil. > > > slashers in > > > > >particular > > > > > > It would be more accurate to say that I attacked the slash mentality. > >Which > > > is aberrant. > > > >Perhaps you could care to attach an IMO to that. No I would not. The slasher mentality is aberrant. And you agree. > > > > >but by no means them alone. > > > > > > That is a lie. He is lying because that email I sent begging for help > >told > > > him that she was an innocent little waif. > > > >It told me no such thing. Liar. > > I didn't know what to make of it, Liar. but 'innocent' > >was not the first word that sprang to mind. That's true. I've done a text analysis on you. You're a shit Neil. You feed off the weak. > >I remain unconvinced that you are definitely not Fiona. Liar. You know I'm not. > > As soon as he decided that she was > > > weak he struck. What a vicious bastard. > > > >I've never associated Fiona with weakness. You followed her offlyst because you wanted to recruit her. She'd peaked your interest, and she clearly was antislash. You're playing a double game Faulkner. But yes, I can be a vicious > >bastard. Do have a problem with that? YES. > > He hates Ashton Press, but he's > > > accepted that situation. He's too independently minded to be > >brainwashed. > > > But he knows what's going on, don't you Neil? > > > >Not really. Yes you do. > >Why don't you tell me? Power games Neil. It's you and them and every other little fucker is caught in the cross-fire. > > > And you don't care. He lost > > > the ability to distinguish between good and evil years ago. > > > >Inconsistency of personal pronouns aside, you're right in that I don't > >care. Honesty at last. > >Why should I? Because if you don't care then innocent people get hurt. > > Why should anyone? Because if we stop caring then the Nazis move in. And all the "innocents" will go to the wall. > >Why, especially, should you? I could tell you, but you wouldn't be able to grasp it. > >As for 'good' and 'evil', I've already said that I don't believe in such > >things. I mean that. I know you did. I don't have any illusions about that. > > > These tirades would seem to have at > > > > >least some foundation in the way poor fickle Shane (clueless wanker > >that > > > he was) > > > > > > That's telling as well. > > > >Is it? > >Yes it does. > >And what does it tell you, Jenny? It says you are a vile using vicious bastard. > >What does it say to your acutely > >perspicacious and analytical mind? See above. Go on, put me on the couch. See if you > >can tell me something I don't already know. I can't tell you anything you don't know. That fact you know is the scary thing. > > > was left to fight his tediously protracted scuffle against the > > > > >Wortham/Rosenthal bastards > > > > > > I do like that line. Neil isn't a Slasher. He hates the stuff as well. > >But > > > that's the only way he differs from these people. > > > >I don't hate slash. If you don't then why? > >I don't hate slashers. Yes you do Neil. If you didn't hate them, you'd try to help them. Unless, there's something else going on. Perhaps you are using them too. Are you Neil? I do hate Wortham and > >Rosenthal > >but that's entirely personal. I hate them as well. Not personally, but for what they are trying to do to people. > > I don't make any secret of it, That's true. > > nor do I bang the drum at the drop of a hat. You'll never bang the drum Neil, you're a coward. > > It has nothing to do with slash. It has something to do with slash, but I think you've given a honest answer there. > > > > > with no one lifting a finger to help him. > > > > > > Including you. Who sat back and watched the fun. You're doing this now > > > because > > > you hate Fiona and Annie equally. But you've made a big mistake fucker. > >I > > > needed a lamb to entice out the wolves. And didn't they come > > > running. I tagged them as well. > > > >But can you shoot straight? Oh yes Neil. I've been trained. > > > The cavalier fannish > > > > >attitude to Terry Nation's (supposed) writing talent or > > > (counter-supposed) > > > > >lack of would also appear to have a lot to do with it. > > > > > > Neil hates Terry Nation. > > > >No he doesn't. Yes you do. And it's interesting that you are referring to yourself in the third person now. > > He simply doesn't admire him as deeply as you do. You hate him. Admit it. > > But then maybe failing to admire someone or something as deeply as you do is > >tantamount to hatred in your own distorted petty view of the world. Nice move Neil, but you're equating me with yourself. I have no feelings for Nation one way or another. Though the fact that B7 is full of psychopaths is just a little disturbing. But then he understood the Nazis didn't he? And they were nothing more than psychopaths as well. Including that nasty little fucker Speer, who Fiona keeps banging on about. > > I don't know why, but it runs very deep. Perhaps > > > because he's been wasting his life trying to work out what Standard By > >Six > > > means, and has been drawing a blank. Small-minded bastard. > > > >I can be one of those too. You are one of those. > >Shabby little world, isn't it? To fit a shabby little man. > > > I won't trust anything "Jenny Kaye" says on > > > > >that matter. > > > > > > That's interesting. It's suddenly occurred to this pseudo intellectual > >that > > > I > > > may rip the fucker to shreds. I've been doing it offlyst for the best > >part > > > of three weeks now. I > > > would just love the chance to do it onlyst, Neil. > > > >Go on, then, 'Jenny'. Your wish is my command. > >Or should I say 'Fiona'? Wrong again Neil. Or possibly even 'Alan'? Oh Yeeeeesssssss. Now you would be throwing the fat in the fire with this one. If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, then I'm going to tell you a little something. He's very close to Fiona, and she's very close to him, which is strange because she's gay. There's something strange going on there, but I still haven't worked it out. But I'll tell you this for free, when he finds out that you attacked his little lamb, he'll go ballistic. I bet she's on the phone now, bleating her little heart out. You're using live rounds Falkner, but you can't shoot straight. If and when he catches up with you he's going to rip you a new arsehole. > > > > >Don't ask me exactly what the fuck's going on here, because I haven't > >a > > > > >clue. > > > > > > True. Clueless is one of your attributes. > > > >Not the worst, though. I'll agree there. > > > > >if indeed they are two separate people. On a metaphysical sense you may have a point, but as an individual I'm just me. > > > Wrong again Neil. She's a lamb. I'm a wolf. But I'm also a shepherd. I > >gave > > > you a big enough clue. Jules Winnfield. > > > >Which means absolute fuck all to me. Not much of a clue, then, is it? You recognised Hunny Bunny. Surely you know who Jules Winnfield is. > >Maybe you're not half as clever as you think you are. You're the psuedo Neil. Here's another clue: "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherd the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down on thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is in the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you." Jules would give that speech just before he'd put a cap in some motherfuckers arse. Now do you remember? > > > > >Animal camouflage don't count for squit when some cunt sets fire to > >the > > > > >forest. > > > > > > This forest is full of cunts like you unfortunately. > > > >Do you know any real insults? Plenty. Do you remember calling the Slasher's "Textual Parasites"? I've got a far worse insult than that. See if you can guess what it is? > > > > >Fan the flames > > > > > > Now we see the real Neil. > > > >There's never been any other kind. You're right. Must be a refreshing change for you? > > > When animal camouflage breaks down. Something nasty comes out. > > > >So you have. Proof, if any were needed, that a bear really does shit in > >the woods. I'm not a bear Neil, and these aren't my woods. I'll tell you who I am. I'm Fenris. Now look it up. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: When "Animals" camouflage
by Jenny Kaye 19 May '01

19 May '01

Slasher Leah Rosenthal wrote:: Slasher Steve Rogerson wrote: > ><< LOL, I'd already downloaded and was thinking the same thing. Maybe I > >should write a story around the picture...>> > > > >Don't be silly, man. Since you and I are the same person, I've obviously > >already thought of it. I'm also Calle, Judith, Steve, Neil, Carol, and 98% > >of the rest of this list. Now this is very interesting. What Leah is doing here is using humour as a distraction. The subtleties comes in the names she has chosen for her lyst. Calle, Judith, Steve and Neil are all high profile fans. They are who they say they are, but Carol, the jury's still out on that one. Plus I'm Paul Darrow, the Spice Girls (except for > >Sporty Spice), the AntiChrist, Jeff Probst, Patty LaBelle, Rowen Atkinson, > >Babe, Sam Peckinpagh, Eminem, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, the Guy Lombardo > >Band, the Pope, The Rock, Tina Turner, Julie Andrews and the Dallas > >Cowboys. Again interesting. She quite obviously isn't any of those people but she is putting them in to make it look as if the whole notion is stupid. It isn't. Leah exists on here under a number of guises. > >I have ambitions to rule the planet. They say many a truth is said in jest. It's a strange thing ambition, it can lead you into many places. You rule the roost at Freedom City, but you're not happy with just that. So you come here to Lysator. Everyone on Freedom City is by definition a slasher, but on this lyst there are people who are not. It's those people that are my concern, the ones you are after. It's petty, it's small minded, but I suppose it's power of some kind. And that's what you crave, don't you Leah? I and Annie morphed into Cherry > >Steffey and Nancy Kohlar and ran SCORPIO Con, even though we hadn't seen B7 and > >weren't fans until Scorpio 5. That's again interesting. If the above is true, it would explain why the events eventually collapsed. As I said, evil always comes from the outside. We started a war that destroyed all of fandom > >by rebelling against Terry Nation... No. I think a more likely scenario was him rebelling against you. British actors come from a different culture to American actors. The difference being that in America they are worshiped, here they are not. Going to an American convention must have been quite a thrilling experience for any British actors. They would have been treated like film stars. And of course the organizers would also be seen as people of status. People who were "friends" of the stars. It's a heady mix. And from what I've been told you used that power didn't you? You revelled in it. But then it all went away. odd, since he still insisted on > >requesting copies of our zines. If this is at all true, then he was probably keeping an eye on you. You keep an enemy close. We have invisible pages and pages of > >invisible stories on our website that are loaded with invisible slash (by > >the way, if anyone can ever find these, please post the address of the actual > >stories; I'd love to read them). You're a slasher. You love it. It has become a part of you. And I've seen some. It's a very nasty conditioning device. Things are more difficult for you now because you've lost your distributor. Your doughnut is running out of jam, but you still stay here, playing you little mind games. What happened to you Leah? You sound like you come from New York, but you live in redneck country. Life for someone like you must have been difficult. > > I've stolen the soul of the B7 actors and Oh, no. They see right through you. Your name has become a byword. > >I'm plotting a vast conspiracy of mindless android fans They are not mindless. And that is the saddest thing of all. who will do > >anything > >I say by sheer will of my vastly superior and cunning brain. You're smart Leah, but not that smart. You've been here a long time, but from what I've seen, the slash contingent is small and uncoordinated. They are also quite a number of suppressed hysterics among them. You can be clever, but if you are also highly emotional then you're going to make mistakes. I'm living in > >the same house as Annie Wortham for the past 12 years and using the same > >computer as she, That's also interesting. Because you and Annie are a poor team. You are certainly the brains of the outfit. But she doesn't always do what you say, does she? Had a few rows recently? but I'm emailing her pornographic spam messages, and she > >can't possibly figure this out, Now this is sloppy, but it also fits your mindset. I am sure there were some "joke porn" emails sent to you and if you were reading my emails properly, you'd know I know. If you follow! > >even though she's worked as a computer genius for the same major corporation for over 20 years. Yes. Again that makes perfect sense. And I note the words "computer genius", an equation with Avon. She's probably more at home with computers than with people. Human relationships are difficult things. Add sex and things can get explosive. I thing that's why you equate sex with pornography Leah. It gives you some control. > >I revel in something called 'homophobic slash', a non-sequiter which I haven't quite figured out yet. I think you figured that one out years ago. Slash is homophobic. Yes you're gay Leah, but what really turns you on is gay male sex. There's a lot of anger there Leah, a lot of hate, all mixed up with frustration, desires for revenge, a need to be loved. To be able to admit that you are wrong is a rare gift. You know *what's* wrong, but you believe that if you think about it too much you'll unravel. I > >am all this, and more. There's an unconscious truth there. > >I just thought you'd want to know. Thank you. You've told me a great deal. > >Leah "Satan" Rosenthal You're not Satan. You're just a human being. Get help Leah. It's never too late. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Those pesky...
by Jenny Kaye 19 May '01

19 May '01

"Sally Manton" wrote: > ><slashers! Frightening Vila like that!> > > > ><gurgle> alas, poor Vila ... You're a strange one, aren't you? You are quite clearly very intelligent and yet you act like a ninny. The contrast between these two personas are so marked it is almost like talking to two different people. You're quite obviously a slasher, and this "my darling" and "Vilakins" stuff is also quite clearly another version of IMO, which is something else you use a lot. But you did something a while back that put a doubt in my mind. I am not sure if you are a Leah type, or an innocent that just happened to get caught up in it all. If you are an innocent, then use that brain of yours, and leave this lyst and Freedom City now. You may think it's warm and cosy here, but it isn't. This is a very bad place. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Eclectic
by Steve Rogerson 19 May '01

19 May '01

So, who else is going to Eclectic next weekend in Leicester? Guests include Gareth T and Jacqueline P. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L]Back on topic, methinks?
by Marian de Haan 19 May '01

19 May '01

Sally wrote: >Hey, I tried to start a discussion on Slave, but for some unknown reason no one showed any interest ...< Sorry, finding something interesting to say about Slave is above my humble capacities. >What *does* everyone do on the flight deck?< Quarrel, mostly :-) >We know Jenna does the piloting, Vila usually handles weaponry (whose idea was that, BTW <g>?)< He seems to enjoy it, having no qualms about killing as long as he doesn't have to see the blood. > and either Cally or Gan seems to handle communications. But what does Avon (before he runs for the force wall <g>) and whichever's *not* on communications do during a battle? They do all seem awfully busy ...< Maybe they're double-checking the others or are standing by to take over in case the other consoles break down. What always baffles me is where all the flames come from during a fight. It can't be from penetrating hits by the enemy craft, as that would make the air flow away. Are all those fires simply caused by fuses blowing in the consoles? >The amount of scheming and backstabbing that goes on is very Roman to me (as in I Claudius, most of whose characters would fit beeeutifully into Servalan's world IMO),< I agree with Tanja that Livia would have made mincemeat of Blake and his crew. >For the Avon fans - I know there's a few of us around - just what *is* it about him that you find makes him that much more interesting? (And no fair pointing to the leather :-))< Am still trying to work that out. And no, it's definitely not the leather. (I dislike leather.) >How experienced a guerilla do you think Cally was before joining the crew? Her comments when watching Blake in Duel indicate some experience in this type of fighting (though, not having *any* myself, I don't know how right she is);< She seems to know what she's talking about, but we don't know whether that comes from personal experience or from reading some books on the tactics of guerrilla warfare. >are there any other indications (leaving aside the lack-of-camoflague gear she chooses in Bounty)?< We don't know what the wildlife on Lindor is (except that they have squirrels), so maybe that coat did resemble a local species of animal? :-) Marian

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Re: [B7L] Fans everywhere again
by Sally Manton 19 May '01

19 May '01

Leia wrote: <Did my foot in hitty fighty practice on Wednesday and am currently on crutches At the time, not realising what I'd done I picked myself and carried on fighting for another hour before walking two miles home.> Sorry to hear that, and hope you recover quickly. <I said something about adrenalin being a great painkiller and another friend who was present piped up 'You want some Soma with that...'> Actually, B7 is *extremely* quotable, especially Avon and Vila. Even in the dodgier episodes, there's always some good lines, and in the better ones ... I find myself almost automatically using bits like "He agrees with me. Makes it all seem worthwhile somehow." "wasting your time on frivolities." "Do you want the applause now or will it wait?" (the latter is dangerous if it pops out without thinking and to someone who hasn't the slightest idea what you mean). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Vila the Vegetable
by Mistral 19 May '01

19 May '01

If the characters were vegetables, what do you think they'd be? Vila would be a cucumber, because they're seedy and frequently pickled. Avon might be a hot pepper, Travis a Brussels sprout. Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.

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