Blakes7 May 2001

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Re: [B7L] Re: Space Fall
by Tavia 17 May '01

17 May '01

Me, then Jenny: >>Time and chance happen to them all. ... The >>Liberator conveniently turning up like that can only be put down to luck. >Interesting isn't it? There are two takes. The first is that many rebels >have been transported and this is the story about one who got a ship. Seems fairly plausible, but I think there's a bit more too it than that. Blake and co could have taken over the London according to plan A; it was only bumbling on the part of Vila and others that prevented the original plan from succeeding. In that case, good plans, appropriate skills and bravery would have been behind their success. As it is, however, these things all fail, and the escape comes down to blind chance. >Or >secondly, you take The Logic of Empire view that Blake has been set up by >the Federation to escape. That the Federation wants, in fact *needs* an >enemy, and Blake has been set up to fulfil that role. I haven't seen/heard Logic of Empire, but that interpretation seems only to make sense symbolically. >I've covered this in my Leylan/Raiker analysis, but basically the London is >carrying a cargo of very dangerous prisoners. Women don't usually get done >for rape and serial killing. It happens, but not often. There must have been some women transported to Cygnus Alpha otherwise the colony wouldn't have survived. I don't know what ratio you'd need for viability, though. Judging by Victorian family sizes, 15--20 children in a reproductive lifetime wouldn't be unusual but I'd estimate a 50% child mortality rate, so you'd probably want at least 10 or 15% fertile young women for a viable colony ? Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Re: Space Fall
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

Tavia wrote: Me, then Jenny: > > >>Time and chance happen to them all. ... The > > >>Liberator conveniently turning up like that can only be put down to > >luck. > > >Interesting isn't it? There are two takes. The first is that many rebels > > >have been transported and this is the story about one who got a ship. > > > >Seems fairly plausible, but I think there's a bit more too it than that. > >Blake and co could have taken over the London according to plan A; it was > >only bumbling on the part of Vila and others that prevented the original > >plan from succeeding. In that case, good plans, appropriate skills and > >bravery would have been behind their success. > > > >As it is, however, these things all fail, and the escape comes down to > >blind chance. That's true. > > >Or > > >secondly, you take The Logic of Empire view that Blake has been set up by > > >the Federation to escape. That the Federation wants, in fact *needs* an > > >enemy, and Blake has been set up to fulfil that role. > > > >I haven't seen/heard Logic of Empire, but that interpretation seems only to > >make sense symbolically. That is very interesting. There is certainly a symbolic element to it. But in Logic of Empire Servalan uses a psychostrategist to set up Avon. If Blake and crew were also 'puppets' then... > > >I've covered this in my Leylan/Raiker analysis, but basically the London > >is carrying a cargo of very dangerous prisoners. Women don't usually get > >done for rape and serial killing. It happens, but not often. > > > >There must have been some women transported to Cygnus Alpha otherwise the > >colony wouldn't have survived. Yes, but not very many. We'll take a look at that setup when we come to analyse Cygnus Alpha. Thanks for another excellent email. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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In light of current and past controversies...
by Tigerm1019＠aol.com 17 May '01

17 May '01

I found this page very amusing. http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame01.html Not only have I encountered all these people on various lists, I've *been* most of these people... But then, I'm strange and twisted. Most of you already know that. ;-) Tiger M

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Re: [B7L] Re: style vs. content.
by Tigerm1019＠aol.com 17 May '01

17 May '01

In a message dated 05/17/2001 10:46:44 AM Central Daylight Time, hflysator(a)jarriere.demon.co.uk writes: > Wasn't the comedy of Superstud's posts derived from the fact that he > advanced offensive views in an unfailingly polite manner? or have I got > him muddled with another one? No, you've got the right guy. It didn't keep him from creeping me out, but he was polite. Tiger M

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Re: [B7L] Re: script changes
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

Steve Kilbane wrote about lines: This made me wonder whether it > >was the reason that Jenna and Cally got pushed to the side, but that's > >entirely my own thought. It was the reason. Especially Jenna. She didn't do the lines as read. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Episode review - space fall
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

Dana Shilling wrote > >Jenny Kaye said: > > > It is a ship of serial rapists, murderers, paedophiles etc. This is the > > > last stop for them. Many of them would have personality disorders. > > > >What evidence do you have for this? They are being sent to Cygnus Alpha. Professor Kayn states that if Gan hadn't been fitted with a limiter he would have been executed. There is not capital punishment for murder in the Federation (see debate), therefore Cygnus Alpha becomes the dumping ground. > >Blake is a convicted child molester, There you go! > >but according to canon the only criminal records stated are: > >1. Vila--recidivist thief (although what he's actually shown doing in > >subsequent episodes is more like safecracking, which is a specialist > >skill) Vila says that he's had his head adjusted by the best in the business but that it just won't stay adjusted. They are now fed up with him. Off to Cygnus Alpha he goes. Jenna says to Blake in the TWB,"If you are expecting a last minute reprieve, forget it. Once they get you this far there's no going back." > >2. Avon--bank fraud (possibly though not certainly embezzlement, > >which requires abuse of a fiduciary capacity) There's more to Avon than that. As we go through the episodes you'll see. > >3. Jenna--"free trading." It doesn't sound serious enough to merit > >lifetime exile, but the Federation seems more like the kind of place > >to heavily punish relatively trivial crimes than to spare the lives of > >murderers. And, after all, 18th and 19th century Britain did > >sentence people to transportation for long periods or for life even > >for trivial property crimes. Jenna has been set up by the Terra Nostra. > >4. Gan--manslaughter, with the aggravating factor of killing a law > >enforcement agent. Canon doesn't say that he killed anyone else > >(or any female) before the series starts. Gan kills. He enjoys it. Women especially. It's there. > >As has often been remarked, it is never stated what Nova has been > >convicted of (much less whether he did it or not). We don't know much about Nova. But he associates with Vila and his name is the reverse of "Avon". I'd say he's a small time thief like Vila. Nor is it stated > >what Salman and Arco were convicted of It was originally planned that both Salman and Arco would join the crew of the Liberator. Then Nation changed his mind. When we get to the episode Cygnus Alpha, we can see what the subtext says about them. --or even the names of any > >of the other prisoners (the ones who died on the London or the ones > >who stayed behind on Cygnus Alpha). They are just extras. > >There aren't any canonical lines like "Jenna, watch out for Muggles, > >he's a rapist" or "It's too bad that a poor little pickpocket like me gets > >stuck here with a bunch of Broadmoor cases." That's because the writers of B7 want us to think. > >PS--judging by the expression on her face, I suspect that what Jenna > >said to Raiker is a reversal of Blackadder's immortal insult--something > >about having wedding tackle the size of a weasel's brain. If a pro keeps it simple, she would have said, "Fuck off dickhead"! :-) Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: style vs. content.
by Helen Krummenacker 17 May '01

17 May '01

> Not speaking for Leia, but in my opinion the style of your posts is the most > offensive and arrogant I have ever seen on this list, and that's saying something > given the number of years I've been here. > > -- > cheers > Steve Rogerson > I thought Superstud was more offensive, but there was the advantage that his posts generated a lot of humour. On second thought, in his case, I think it was the content rather than the style that created trouble.

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Re: [B7L] the limits of parody
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

"Neil Faulkner" wrote > >From: Jenny Kaye > > > Examining the scripts for B7, it is quite clear that the show had really > > > been written for a much later time slot. > > > >As I understand, it was envisaged from the start (by the BBC,at least, > >perhaps not Nation) as a replacement for Softly Softly, a show which from the (very) > >little I recall of it made Juliet Bravo look like cutting edge police > >drama. It means that it replaced the programme, in that Softly, Softly was scrapped and B7 took its place in production. It had the same budget as Softly,Softly, (which was stupid!) but that doesn't mean it was going to go out in the same time slot. Anyone out there actually know what time slot Softly, Softly used to be shown in? Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] the limits of parody
by Jenny Kaye 17 May '01

17 May '01

Bizarro7(a)aol.com wrote: >Deja vu. > >Welcome back, Shane. How are things over at Zenith? When animal camouflage breaks down. Now who's the hunter on here? Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Debate
by Tigerm1019＠aol.com 17 May '01

17 May '01

I may regret this, but... I think there are several people here who might benefit from reading this excellent essay on Jeffersonian debate, 'The Mannerly Art of Disagreement,' by Macedon. http://members.aol.com/MacedonPg/tmaod.htm And yes, I'm aware that now everyone is going to eat me alive, but I've seen a *lot* of behavior from people that I respect this spring that I find very disturbing. Usually it isn't *what* people say that annoys or angers me, but *how* they say it. I could make a big long post on this subject, but Macedon does it better than I ever could in his essay. Tiger M

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