Blakes7 May 2001

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Re: [B7L] Re: The Limiter (frivolous aside ahoy)
by Sally Manton 11 May '01

11 May '01

Dana wrote: <And I bet he would have chirped up, "Don't send me on that dangerous mission--I've got a limiter" if he thought it was a possible excuse.> Thanks Dana, I now have the endearingly silly mental picture of Vila running off to buy a plastic stick-on limiter for times like that ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Revolutionary Ethics: Was Blake and McVeigh
by Sondra Sweigman 11 May '01

11 May '01

Referring to the Blake vs. McVeigh discussion, Alison wrote: > And it would be possible for Blake, or any of the characters, to > have committed acts which were on different sides of that line, in > different episodes. Which gives me a fine excuse to mention a short story by Jean Hubb called "Grey Scale" which appears in the new Blake zine I advertised on the list a couple of months ago. The story deals precisely with the issue of how the line between "right" and "wrong" gets muddied in times of armed conflict. (Anyone reminded by the above that they were planning to order the zine, hold off a day of two--I'll be posting revised prices for the second print run :-)) Sondra

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Gan, marriage, et al
by M 11 May '01

11 May '01

Doh! - just thought of one, Anna's husband. However does keep in with the marriages of higher grades thing, maybe lower grades dont tend to get married - OK this ia assuming Gan is a lower grade. Just realised how much you have to assume when you make opinions, ideas about B7, Blakes 7 did leave a lot of unanswered questions. Wouldn't it have been boring if it had given all the answers - you know oh yes Avon is.... If the B7 characters were in our reality, what jobs would they have? yes I know they were criminals, but saying they all had day jobs which were honest. M. ps - my e-mails acting up, sorry if I double posted or sent to sender. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Re: Fw: [B7L] Avon needs blake...
by Sally Manton 11 May '01

11 May '01

Jacqui wrote: <Or Avon believed Blake would give him what he wanted - a galaxy free of the Federation chasing him, so he could explore in peace> Knowing Fearless Leader as he does, I don't think so. Even if the Federation collapsed, there would still be trouble on individual worlds (my understading of Blake's overriding vision is independence for individual worlds, so in any semi-to-happy-ending scenario that's what they get), Blake couldn't stop himself trying to help any more than he could breathe, and Avon would again find himself finding reasons to follow in the turbulent wake ... JMO, of course :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Playng the Game (and Not)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 11 May '01

11 May '01

In a message dated 5/11/01 2:42:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net writes: << Personally, my major identification with fandom is as a fanfic writer, so to me the best possible list post is one that sparks off a good idea for a story. >> This holds true for me, too. After so many years as a Blakes 7 fan, discussing each episode in minute detail, going waaaay back to the Stone Age of paper letterzines, I find that I have little to say about the series itself anymore. Alternate realities, twists of fate, "what-ifs", and internal motivations/dialogue interest me much more these days. Plus, fanzines and fan fiction have always been my favorite thing about any fandom I've been interested in. So, it's hardly surprising that my continued interest in "older" fandoms like Blakes 7 revolves mostly around that aspect of the fandom. It's also been a while since I had the time to sit down and actually watch the show or even the desire to do so. But I think it's great that others do still talk about the series all of these years later. I just don't often feel the urge to join in on those types of discussions. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan's woman
by M 11 May '01

11 May '01

It "might be" that she is a rotting corpse and it's illegal to marry rotting corpses in the Federation. It "might be" that she is an android or really a man in disguise. Or an inflatable sea bird, or a kangaroo, or a plate of Spam. She "might be" a handgliding penguin from the planet Calufrax, who didn't have an entry visa. She "might be" a large stripy snake called Hector, or a shop window dummy, or she Wow would that be interesting fan fiction Penguin???!!! - its back again The 'woman' thing, I was just wondering how many characters, are discribed as being married? -real question, I cant think of any (are the two in Way Back married?. I'm wondering if marriage is unusual or something higher grades do. M. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Re: [B7L] Re: Gan's woman
by M 11 May '01

11 May '01

On Fri, 11 May 2001 17:48:41 -0000, Jenny Kaye wrote: > > "Hang the":-) DDJ wrote: > > Jenny Kaye wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >My wife is not the same as "my woman". > > > > > > > > > >Which might be because she's not his wife -- for any of a number of > reasons > > >(prohibitions against marriage in their grade; one of them in a situation > > >where s/he's not free to marry because of family obligations or > > >pre-existing marriage or financial inability to support a spouse). > > It "might be" that she is a rotting corpse and it's illegal to marry rotting > corpses in the Federation. It "might be" that she is an android or really a > man in disguise. Or an inflatable sea bird, or a kangaroo, or a plate of > Spam. She "might be" a handgliding penguin from the planet Calufrax, who > didn't have an entry visa. She "might be" a large stripy snake called > Hector, or a shop window dummy, or she "might be" Sally Manton, or me, or > she "might be" a cut out picture from a magazine. > > When > > >I hear "my woman," it connotes a degree of intimacy/closeness beyond "my > > >girlfriend" > > Does it now? So Jarvik, then, was really a kind and sensitive guy who just > wanted to be intimate and close with Servalan, and all his ordering her > about was just him being loving. > > -- the kind of closeness he'd have with a woman he wanted to > > >marry but hadn't; > > However you want to paint it, though, that possessive is still there. Why is > she "his" woman? What makes her "his" and not, oh, say, her own? > > at the same time, the term doesn't foreground the > > >physical relationship the way "my lover" would. > > Or "my victim..." > > And not elaborating on the > > >details seems in keeping both with Gan and the scene: > > That's true! > > it's not a > > >confess-all-the-details situation, but a brief explanation. > > That's true! > > > >But one of Lennon's greatest love songs is titled "Woman" and conveys the > > >opposite attitude : > > > > > >"Woman I know you understand > > >The little child inside the man, > > >Please remember my life is in your hands, > > >And woman hold me close to your heart, > > >However, distant don't keep us apart," > > Yes, but he doesn't use the possessive, does he? > > "My Woman I know you > understand. The little child inside the man, Please remember your life is in > my hands. And my woman, hold me close to your heart, However, distant don't > keep us apart, Do that, and I will have to tear you apart." > > > Jenny > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Re: [B7L] We can't *all* be geniuses
by M 11 May '01

11 May '01

On Fri, 11 May 2001 15:00:56 +0100 (BST), Stephen Date wrote: IMO - Gan is mentally altered because of the limiter malfunctioning. As I see it, Gan, although can't hurt another, couldn't have been altered to be that good while still leaving him with thoughts against the Federation. If they'd altered him that much why doesn't he sing the Federations praises. Further to this when I listened to The Mark of Kane - you know, well some of you know, when Gan's discribed as a psychopath, I felt this was abhorrant to the character I knew and at the end, a;though this is totally me reading into it, what the guy means by Gan being his friend, is that the other guy was lying about a good guy and so it doesnt matter he's dead (sorry cant remember the exact quotes, havnt listened to it in a while). M. (I've skipped forward a bit, and am reading the recent posts). _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Gan and Killing
by Leia Fee 11 May '01

11 May '01

Been following the discussion on Gan, limiters, killing and the phrase 'my woman' and felt the need to chip in. I'm not quite sure where the idea that Gan got the limiter because he was a danger to woman came from. I recall that in his words he was given it because he killed a Federation guard after said guard killed 'his woman'. The evidence for him having a desire to murder women seems to come from the evidence that... a) he killed the guard so is capable of killing - hence the limiter. b) he goes for Cally while his limiter is on the fritz c) he uses the phrase 'my woman' when talking about the woman the guard killed. I'm not convinced these add up to hiim being a killer of women for the following reasons. a) He took revenge on the guy who killed the woman, which seems to imply he cared about her enough to want revenge - no one seems bothered that Avon wanted to do the same to the guy who killed *his* girlfriend/partner/woman/significant other. b) Cally was the one who happened to be looking after him when he came to and released him, it doesn't follow that he was after her particually because she was female. He has a bash at several of the others too if I recall. c) The interpretation of 'my woman' is as has been opbvious on the Lyst controversial at best and doesn't automatically imply possesiveness let alone violent jealous possesivness. I could of course be wrong but there does seem to be rather a lot of adding up two and two to make five going on. Leia

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Re: [B7L] the killfile is your friend
by Jenny Kaye 11 May '01

11 May '01

Julia Jones wrote: > > +----------+ > > | PLEASE | > > | DO NOT | > > | FEED THE | > > | TROLLS | > > +----------+ > > | | > > | | > > .\|.||/.. > >(c) 1999 Residents of NANAE So you can draw. Where do your talents end? Certainly not with snideness. > >"I wouldn't recognise a subtle hint if it dressed up in a purple tutu with > >green stripes and danced on my keyboard singing 'subtle hints are here > >again'." No. There we hear the voice of the great mass, conditioning you into accepting the party line. Do you want to discuss Blade Runner now? Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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