Blakes7 June 2001

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Re: crossover fandoms
by Helen Krummenacker 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

I always seem to have a least a couple of fandoms going on at any time. Some I loose interest in once the material is no longer available. (I loved B5, but the show got moved to cable, and it's too complex to work on loose ends without knowing what's going on). My big ones right now are Knights of the Dinner Table (a very funny comic book about roleplaying) and Harry Potter. > Joanne > (finding the idea of Draco Malfoy being regarded as cool and sexy for any > reason somewhat bizarre. > Me, too, on that front. In the first 2 books I found him a sad pathetic boy who couldn't get Daddy's respect, now he's just an annoying little Nazi. > Better not mention a certain snarly Potions Master, > though, had I?) > Joanne, (bwahahahaha) you did mention him, and now it shall be my mission to make you one of Snarly Snape's devotees. You will learn and appreciate the sacrifices he makes for the sake of Harry, and for Dumbledore's cause! For that matter, just because he's got the title part, you don't think Harry is really who the books are all about, do you? No, it's all about (cue music) Severus Snape. Now, seriously, there is a huge amout of unrevealled but somewhat guessable backstory to the HP books. I suppose that, like Blake's 7 having an incompletely realized universe, the Wizard World fascinates fans because we are given a lot of definite information, and even more tantalizing glimpses of what *might* be. Furthermore, Rowling is a mystery writer-- the books are full of clues; you can guess what's to come and work on the backstory based on tiny details that she nearly glosses over in the plot. So there's lots of room for debate about *why* certain information was thrown in-- or left out. Between the incomplete universe and the moral ambiguities, (Is Sirius Black a hero? He bullied an unconscious man who was trying to protect his godson. Is Severus Snape a hero? He's taken the right side, but for all we know,it could be for the 'wrong reasons'. What about Dumbledore? He used an 11 year old boy as a pawn and bait .) it has plenty of fodder for Blake's 7 fans.

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Re: crossover fandoms
by Helen Krummenacker 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

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Re: [B7L] Cross-fandom
by Ellynne G. 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:46:39 +-100 Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter(a)btinternet.com> writes: > Dana wrote: > > Otherwise I watch a lot of other SF shows (any old rubbish that's > going > according to Steve K <g>), but the only other fandoms I'm actively > involved > in are Due South and West Wing - DS is borderline genre since ghosts > are > canonical, but not really. I don't exactly know myself what the > attraction > is there - I choose a fun, witty, optimistic little show and then > write > angst into it. Maybe I just like being subversive :-) I like this show although I don't know if I count as a fan. As far as the B7 appeal goes, Avon and Ray I have a lot in common (cynics, a background environment where corruption is taken for granted, partners they didn't want who reek of naive optimism, girlfriends with mixed loyalties whose deaths they're somewhat responsible for, a really neat vehicle that was all his but that got blown up as the only way to defeat the bad guys, etc). The ongoing joke being that, while Avon seems to spend half his time finding out he was (if anything) being too lenient in his character judgements, Ray has to deal with Fraser always being right. In one episode, they're trying to hitch a ride and all the cars just drive right past. Finally, Ray pulls out his gun and says he stopping the next car no matter what. Fraser feels this isn't the way to do it. Then, while they're fighting over the gun, a car finally pulls over and the driver, in a very strong Canadian accent, asks if they need help. Ray turns to Fraser and tells him he comes from a sick country. Oh, no, I'm now reimagining all the B7 episodes with Fraser and Ray. Fraser: Servalan, you may be a meglomaniacal psychopath with delusions of grandeur, but I think, if you look deep down, you'll find that you've always been motivated by your belief in the Federation, the ideals it originally stood for before it became a nonstop juggernaut of conquest and exploitation, a political system that could unite all humanity and protect them in a hostile universe. Knowing that, I don't think you can cold bloodedly gun down two unarmed men whose only goal is to help and protect others. Servalan: Hah! [Steps forward to get a clear shot, trips and accidentally shoots herself] Ray: [Sarcastically] Looks like you really called that one, Bennie. Fraser: [Missing sarcasm] It's a tragic ending, Ray. The only way she could appease her conscience while still living up to her duty as an officer was to shoot herself. Ray: [Not believing what he just heard] You _believe_ that? Fraser: Well, of course, Ray. She hiked through these woods in high heels and, just when she was about to shoot us, stepped right into the deer scat she slipped on. What else could she have been doing? The Ray as Avon, Fraser as Blake diagram. Come to think of it, Ray shot Fraser, too, didn't he? I'm not sure, but I think this makes the wolf Cally (nonhuman life form with strange communication skills, loyal to Fraser but possibly smarter). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Cross-fandom
by Ellynne G. 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 16:26:52 -0600 Otis Lou Bohr <pd(a)powersurfr.com> writes: > At 08:16 AM 6/3/01 -0400, Dana Shilling wrote: > > >What other cross-fandoms exist, > > What do you consider qualifies one to be a member of a show's > "fandom"? > Watching it faithfully? Participating in online discussion about it? > Writing fanfic, buying action figures, erecting shrines, making > sacrifices? Why am I suddenly thinking of burning little action figures from happy meals . . . ? More seriously, there are a lot of shows and books I'm pretty familiar with and that I could go off on a lengthy discourse about (Lost in Space: why does Judy treat what's-his-name as if he weren't the only single, nonsibling guy on the planet (Dr. Smith doesn't count)? Are we seriously supposed to believe she had options? And what kind of inbreeding were the idiot planners of this colonization attempt thinking of? [this question _seriously_ doesn't require an answer. I _don't_ want to know]) that I don't consider myself a fan of. There are others I seriously like that I don't feel I'm actually a 'fan' of and others I'm a fan of that you can't do fannish things with (I could never write a fanfic for Lord of the Rings because I just don't feel I could add anything [and, even if I did, it would only suffer by comparison]). Also, I like Highlander (for mainly Methosish reasons) but I don't think I'm quite up to fan level (no video tapes, for one thing). There are so many I've liked that I wouldn't out on _quite_ the level of being a fan for. However, here's this week's list (subject to change without notice) - 1. B7 2. Harry Potter 3. Angel (Buffy's 4th year and half of this year didn't work well, IMHO, although I got interested again in the last few episodes. It's on probation for me). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: Jump the Shark
by Alison Page 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

Carolyn said - >>I don't think B7 EVER "jumped the shark." I do like the Jump the Shark concept. It's such a useful phrase, once you hear it you know it identifies a real thing, which never had a name before. I agree that B7 never jumped, and I think that's because it didn't drag itself on past its natural lifespan. The start of S4 seemed like it, but then it pulled itself together with some real blinders. Servalan coming back from the dead almost did it. But no. Some TV series manage to have moments you would be sorry to have missed, in the dry dead hinterland beyond the shark. For example Rimmer and Lister finally getting a snog in. But I don't think S4 is in that category. The last few eps are just so strong. Thinking more about it. None of the S4 characters mutated beyond plausibility. They changed, but you could still join the dots back to where they were before. So you can still say 'this is the same show, in the same universe'. Anyway, I think premature curtailment is more of a feature of British TV than implausible extension. Alison ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

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RE: [B7L] Cross-fandom
by Louise Rutter 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

Una wrote: >Shows that >I have lovingly taped week by week to capture for ever: Colditz, acres of drama, >Red Dwarf, tons of comedy, nostalgia shows, and we can carry on forever here, >frankly, although I don't tend to do that as much as I used to Wow, and I thought my video collection had taken over the house. At least I only have two non-genre series lovingly adorning my shelves! Louise

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RE: [B7L] Cross-fandom
by Louise Rutter 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

Penny wrote: >What do you consider qualifies one to be a member of a show's "fandom"? >Watching it faithfully? Participating in online discussion about it? >Writing fanfic, buying action figures, erecting shrines, making sacrifices? I only consider myself a 'fan' of a series if I feel driven to join the mailing lists/ attend cons/ write fic. There are about 10 fandoms where I read a lot of fic but don't do any of the above - I have to be active to consider myself seriously fannish. Louise

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Re: [B7L] Cross-fandom
by Marian de Haan 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

Sally wrote: >Ummm ... that makes me a B7-only fan; though I was a faithful view of Dr Who Nos 2 to 5, viewing was as far as I got.< I only saw Nos 3-4, which not surprisingly makes them my favourite Doctors. Actually, I'm not much of a SF fan, apart from B7 Dr Who is the only SF TVshow I really like. And it is its undifinable "Britishness" that appeals to me, rather than the setting in the future. Likewise I love B7 because of the magnificent character interaction and not because of its SF setting. For me those characters would have been equally interesting if they had been set in the past or present. >I loved Cadfael.< Me too - still do :-) >I bought all the books.< Same here. I love them for their good plots and sound historical descriptions. >I bought the books before I saw the TV shows, but I loved the TV show more.< Initially I thought that Derek Jacobi was rather miscast as a Welshman. Once I got used to him I began to appreciate those episodes that follow the books. Alas there are two where the screenplay writer got too free a rein, resulting in abominable plots and a travesty of Medieval life. >(Of course, 'tis rather hard to imagine a Blake/Cadfael cross,< O dear, I'm working on one :-) >though Certain Crewmembers would look nice in tights).< Absolutely! :-) Marian

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Re: [B7L] Re: sadness
by J MacQueen 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

If Calle's busy, fair enough. <smile> We can't have him being distracted for a moment and allowing the computers to have a go at him, a la the Liberator during Redemption, can we? Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: a word of warning
by JEB31538＠cs.com 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

Annie Wortham wrote: > Over the last few weeks, I have suddenly begun receiving massive amounts of > pornographic emails, not just on my main account, but on every single > account where I have website space. These accounts are never used for email > and I have NEVER, in years on the internet, received spam at any of those > addresses. I also have received a pornographic message in my guest book at > my main website for the first time ever. > > Yesterday, while attempting to find the source of this Internet Vandalism, I > discovered a newsgroup post that called for an "attack" on my website. > > Please read the entire newsgroup thread at: > > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=fa268efd0c2bc972, > 8& > seekm=9d4emm%249k1%241%40slb7.atl.mindspring.net#p > > If you will click on the website link of the person posting the disturbing > messages, > I think many of you will be saddened and surprised to find a rather prolific > member of this Lyst as the perpetrator. I don't know what to make of this > behavior. I'm still coming to terms with it. Until it happened, I wouldn't > have expected a fan to do this to another fan. > Julia Jones wrote: > This format will make it easier to use: <http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=fa268efd0c2b c972,8&seekm=9d4emm%249k1%241%40slb7.atl.mindspring.net#p> I used Julia Jone's url. When you use it, be careful to delete the space that the computer puts in at the line break. I personally have no use for this Lysator person ever since she attacked me last year for telling people to buy ZENITH and support B7 fandom. She and some others (and I have no use for them either) accused me of using a guilt trip on people. While everyone is entitled to an opinion, I just decided then and there that Lysator really wasn't a list I was very interested in. And that was also reinforced recently when another bunch of posters made such unkind remarks to various people that people started unsubbing. I still miss Penny Dreadful who is a delightful talented fan whose feelings were very hurt. I only stay on the list to pick up the rare GT news bits, the general B7 news, and to read occasional posts by people who are friends or posters who normally say something of value or interest to me. I regularly delete 50-80% of Lysator without reading it. Sometimes I delete entire digests. I think recently I didn't read one digest for something like three weeks straight. I could tell another argument was brewing when somedays I had to delete four-five digests unread. There are many people on Lysator who in my opinion should simply be ignored. The inane arguments which last for weeks could not exist if the people on the list who have some common sense, brains, and courtesy would just ignore the posters who seem to thrive on conflict and whose seeming only purpose is to stir up trouble. And some of the posters are frankly so unbelievably rude and mean I frankly wish Calle would unsub them after they have made two or three rude or vicious remarks to other list members. That is one of things I really despise about this list--that such rude behaviour is tolerated. I think what is happening to Annie is totally uncalled for. It's one thing to be having an argument with a person on the list---it's quite uncalled for to carry that argument onto another list. And electronic vandalism of any sort should never be tolerated. You have my sympathy and support, Annie. I would hope that most of the Lysator is disguested by the attack and also by the people doing it and also the people who seem to support it or encourage it. And personally I find some of the current posters to be totally creepy. I do not understand why Lysator attracks some of the mean people it does. As a teacher in public school for 16 years, I am very aware of how one bad student can ruin a classroom of 30 students, most of whom are very nice. It is so sad to think that about five to perhaps ten people over the course of the last year have made Lysator a very unpleasant list to be on at times. Thank goodness, there is Freedom City. And if worse comes to worse on Lysator, I am just going to have to hope that the GT and B7 news I want to get also gets posted there because, at least, on that list these deliberate rude and personal attacks by some posters on other posters would not be tolerated. Anyway, Annie, keep your chin up. And thank you, also, for making us aware of what is happening. Joyce

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