Blakes7 August 2001

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Re: Avon and people
by Helen Krummenacker 03 Aug '01

03 Aug '01

> For instance, he does seem to have some > : insight in how to handle Vila. E.g. he is aware how Tarrant's handling of > : Vila in "City" is a bad idea. > > : So I suppose what I'm saying is that the "Avon doesn't give a damn" > : viewpoint is misleading. He may well not give a damn on a personal level, > : but he is surely aware that how he presents himself is important. > > Ah, but I (and I suspect Kathryn) see that "City" scene differently. > I think Avon is hurt by Vila's obvious fear in that scene. He has to > come up with a pragmatic reason Tarrant shouldn't have done it before > he'll speak up about it, because as Kathryn says he feels the need to > show only the pragmatic aspect of himself--"A talented thief is rare"-- > but I think he definitely has personal feelings involved, of friendship > toward Vila. > I think Avon does have a good idea of some of the ways to influence people... and that his "I don't give a damn" attitude is part of him trying to NOT use that knowlege to his advantaage. He hates the idea of being manipulated. He also complains when he thinks Blake is manipulating the others. So he tells himself that by acting as if he's no one's friend, no one will follow him for the 'wrong' reasons. So, in essence, I think the opposite of the original poster. Avon *does* care what people think of him, in the sense that humans are social animals and one can' help but have a little desire to be well thought of. But he *tries* not to use what he knows of human emotion to get what he wants. Of course, I'm probably projeecting a lot of myself onto this. Had a discussion with Allan on Sunday about whether I should have told a friend I was worried I was hurting his feelings. Helen

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RE: Re: [B7L] Gshault
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 02 Aug '01

02 Aug '01

Iain Coleman <ijc(a)bas.ac.uk> wrote: > > >On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Tony Nolan wrote: > >> Im wondering if other people see themsleves a a mixed bag of B7 characters >> qualities. > >I have: > >Vila's sobriety >Avon's empathy >Blake's caution >Orac's patience > >Iain > > In one of the 'Yes (Prime) Minister' episodes there is something similar - involving the characteristics of 'a proper European' Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
by Nic Mayer 02 Aug '01

02 Aug '01

From: Harriet Monkhouse <hflysator(a)jarriere.demon.co.uk> > Nic wrote: > >Its quite worrying when you can recognise actors that were in the radio > >series and not the TV series before they utter a word. Although it took > >me a few minutes to realise it was Trillian in Casualty last Friday. > You mean the real Trillian? Began to remember why the television > version annoyed me so much last night when we got the pretend Trillian. > I'm sure the actor in question is beautiful, charming and devastatingly > intelligent, but she's just not Trillian. I agree there. I think she's a good actress, but not as Trillian. And why did they dress her in those outfits? Plus how come she had more than one outfit, whereas everyone else had just the one? > Ford Prefect isn't really Ford Prefect, either, but that doesn't bother > me so much, as he seemed a plausible alternative to my own I think he actually makes a better Ford the way he looks 10 years later. The radio version looks less like Ford, but sounds like him. > And it really bothers me when Marvin's voice comes out of a robot which > looks nothing like Marvin. I suppose I ought to be able to accept that, What do you think Marvin looks like? I don't think he's like the one in the TV series, but I think thats closer than the one in the Illustrated Book. And to answer my own question, I don't know. Nic General (USMC) - Danny's Girls www.paranoidangel.freeserve.co.uk Doppler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.

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Re: Gshault
by Helen Krummenacker 02 Aug '01

02 Aug '01

Gestalt, isn't it? Well, it's a good question, Tony, and I haven't seen it here yet myself. Well, I have: Avon's distrust of people; Servalan's poise, when I feel like it; when I'm excited, I can have Dayna's youthful energy; I sometimes run off at the mouth like Vila; I can go into lecture mode like Blake (or Avon); and I actually think I can do telepathy sometimes, but only with certain people, and empathy with most, so that's Cally-esque. I like lots of clothes, and I'd like to be able to fly aircraft, so I guess that's what I have in common with Jenna. As far as Soolin goes... the ablity not to be noticed when I'm being quiet? Oh dear, I think I may have Tarrant's competitive streak. I can be as irritable and impatient as ORAC. I can't think of any comparison to the other computers or Gan, personalitywise. I' LIKE to have: Avon's way with gadgets, Vila's hand skills, and Blake's focus on a goal.

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Re: [B7L] Re: versions of slavery (was Headhunter and Assassin)
by Ellynne G. 02 Aug '01

02 Aug '01

On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:06:04 -0700 Helen Krummenacker <avona(a)jps.net> writes: > > Ellynne brings up: > > > > In the American southwest, settlers from free states bought > children from > > local Indians once it became known that the children were likely > to be > > killed otherwise (selling a child was often the alternative to > > infanticide or letting them die of slow starvation) but they were > also > > known to drive out or arrest slavers from nearby Mexico. > > > "A state has the ethics and morals it can afford". Sounds like the > settlers were attempting chariable works there. Pay the family for > the > kid, giving the parents a chance to feed their other children. The > settlers now have responsibility for feeding, clothing, etc the > child, > in a drought prone environment. Everyone has to contribute. So the > Indian child works for and with the family. Oh, yes. From what I've read, the practice started after a local settler was approached by an Indian offering to sell him two children. The settler was appalled and refused. The Indian picked up the children and dashed out their brains, saying "See what you made me do?" or words to that effect. In his point of view, if he couldn't find someone to take them, it was better to kill them at once than leave them to die (which he saw as the only other option). After that, if an Indian offerred to sell a child, people in that area bought. Brutal but true. While treatment of the children probably varied (details are sketchy), there are definite references to some of them as sons and daughters of their adoptive families by others in their communities. > > But why does the Federation keep slaves? Probably for psychological > reasons moreso than labor effeciency. [snip] > Most Federation sets we see, with the exception of the president's > palace are very Spartan. Jenna was delighted by the frivolity of a > huge > wardrobe room on board Zen. She also was so attatched to her > necklace we > see her wearing that one piece of jewelry multiple times, but no > other. > Sarkoff was very protective of the antiques he'd collected. > What does this have to do with labor? [snip about our society] > The Federation does not appear to have excess goods. They grow by > military conquest, not economic assimilation. Labor then becomes a > way > of keeping people busy, keeping their minds off thoughts of a more > luxuriant past or modern politicing. Many conquerors allowed for looting, both individual and by the army at large. Of course, it's always a PR nightmare. This may be one of the ways in which the Federation _would_ show restraint. It's easier to say you're motivated by a good cause if you're not carting off the silverware. Then again, medieval tradition allowed for the sacking and raping of a city taken by force but not one that surrendered. Also, one of the pragmatic ideas behind POWs is that people are more likely to surrender (rather than fight to the death) if it gives them a chance to survive. The Federation may have made very brutal examples of some places but either not allowed soldiers to rob them or else didn't allow soldiers _as individuals_ to rob them. OTOH, I've always suspected there was a story behind Jenna's necklace. Either her mother gave it to her or its a semi-cybernetic link (not actually wired on) that nonmilitary pilots wear (or could Tarrant be hiding his?). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Shadows of Blake
by Sally Manton 02 Aug '01

02 Aug '01

Harriet wrote: <Except that Blake still sees it as a better option than an Andromedan invasion, and falls back into line as soon as he finds out about that.> To quote Churchill (sorry, Natasa, but can't help it, it's *so* apt for Shadow IMO): "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons." He may have touched the edge of obsession, but he was never blinded by it. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Hostage
by Leia Fee 02 Aug '01

02 Aug '01

I said... >>Well they do both go and get themselves captured pretty quickly afterwards >>...maybe we can put it down to being tired and not paying proper >>attention...> Then Sally said... >>That's their excuse and they're sticking to it? What's Vila's? Ohh ummm well he didn't get any sleep the night before worrying about what dangerour mission Blake was going to come up with next and then Avon went and interupted his nap on the flight deck so the poor dab was just tired out. Leia

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Orbit
by Leia Fee 02 Aug '01

02 Aug '01

Sally write... >> Watch Vila as Orac says the magic words: , Avon is stunned, >> had to stop and think - but Vila *doesn't*, not even for a milisecond >>thinking "he couldn't ..." He's off like a shot. This is true. I hadn't thought aboutit like that. >>Vila is as mad as hell at the end of Orbit (he still isn't over the terror), >>and definitely he's sourer and more wary from then on, but I doubt he'd >> have fixed on it as a personal betrayal "It always feels personal when someone tries to kill me." Vila says in _Redemption_ I think he would know in his head that it *wasn't* personal - Avon would almost certainly have done the same no matter who else was on the shuttle. But I think Vila would still have trouble not taking it personally, he has after all know Avon quite a while by this point, longer than any of the others on Scorpio. Leia

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Im New
by Leia Fee 02 Aug '01

02 Aug '01

Kathryn wrote that she named her workstation Deneb because... >>Deneb is the name of the Alpha star of the >>constellation Cygnus. Yep. Cygnus Alpha. Creative. I stand impressed. Leia

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Orbit
by Leia Fee 02 Aug '01

02 Aug '01

Betty wrote... >> actually, the crew are pretty inconsistent about which pronoun they >> use with Orac. Avon always sticks to "it" for all of the computers >>(although it's possible that even he slips at some point or other), >>but the others often use "he," particularly Vila. Yep but then Vila does seem to 'chat' with Orac more...teaching him riddles and so forth. >>It often seems to me (in fanfics and so forth, anyway) that people tend >>to overlook the fact that it was all *Orac's* idea... Oh I'm sure it(he?) would deny that...merely stating Vila's weight is not a recomendatiuon to throw him out an airlock as such and Orac does tend to the literal. Leia

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Blakes7 August 2001