Blakes7 September 2001

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Re: [B7L] Rescue script notes
by Mac4781＠aol.com 06 Sep '01

06 Sep '01

Claudia, congratulations on winning the script. Thanks for figuring out the differences and typing them up for us. I like all of the extra bits. It's too bad they had to cut them. Carol

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Re: [B7L] Blake's Motives (was: I, Claudius?)
by Ellynne G. 06 Sep '01

06 Sep '01

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:34:32 -0400 Sondra Sweigman <sweigman(a)world.std.com> writes: > > Alison wrote: > > >Or does Blake secretly hate human beings in some way, as deeply as > >Travis does, and for similar reasons? After all they are both > >aiming for the same goal ? I don't see Blake as being like Travis in this respect, but (when I'm thinking mythologically) I do see them as maybe being opposites of a similar type. Only, to be honest, Travis cracked up a lot more under pressure. At one point, they are both loyal supporters of the Federation. We might guess they think more alike than the series usually suggests overtly - two people shouldn't keep tripping over each other in a galaxy that big otherwise. Also, Blake shows he can perceive the underlying reasoning in a trap Travis' had set in the past and adapt it to his own needs. Both certainly have a certain grudge to bring down the entity that destroyed them. While, in both cases, this desire is supported by their personal philosophies (Travis - rebels are bad, Blake - dictatorships are bad), Blake's is essentially outside of himself. He's motivated by harm to others more than harm to himself. He's also able to sacrifice his personal grievances and desires to serve the greater good. Travis, on the other hand, slowly gives up whatever ethics and virtues he may have for revenge. In the end, the whole human race can be destroyed so long as it gets him what he wants. However, there is still a link. On some level, Blake might fear his own potential to be like Travis. It might even be argued (not that I'm really arguing it here, since it doesn't fit the overall tone of B7) that, if Travis were an avatar, that his destruction would only mean the emergence of a new avatar. If anyone's ever read The Golden Bough, it starts with a discussion of a priest in ancient Rome whose duty was to defend a certain tree. The enemy who killed him, replaced him. Which, like everything else, leads to Avon. In dealing with his 'Travis potential,' Avon plays an important role for Blake, embodying certain of those destructive impulses but in a way that Blake can accept, deny, or (to a limited extent) control without having to deal with them in a way that would destroy him. No wonder he became such a mess without him. OK, probably an idea that would play better in an AU, but I thought it was worth mentioning. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: Rescue script notes
by Betty Ragan 06 Sep '01

06 Sep '01

Thanks for posting this, Claudia! I found it extremely interesting. I wonder why they decided to cut the original ending... Simple time constraints? Bit of a pity, really; I rather like it. It's a nice lead-up into the next episode, if nothing else. -- Betty Ragan ** bragan(a)nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise. "Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov

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RE: RE: Re: [B7L] Gambit (was Recommendations, anyone)
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 06 Sep '01

06 Sep '01

"Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Jacqui wrote: ><Does anyone else have the impression that this is not first time Avon and >Vila have done a scam together?> > >Actually, I firmly believe that it *is* the first time, since Avon clearly >doesn't anticipate how Vila will behave when, in public, he can't be brought >to 'heel' ... > > I meant more generally - they share several personality traits. Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Encounters
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 06 Sep '01

06 Sep '01

Dev Tarrant and Anna Grant were both involved in 'Security' - would they have met? Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
by Andrew Williams 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

>Don't forget, the radio (original and best) version of The Hitch-hikers guide to >the Galaxy starts on Radio 4 on Wednesday 5 September at 6.30. I think the TV series is pretty good, but then it follows the radio dialogue pretty faithfully, with all its' great one-liners. The Infocom computer game is very good in this way, too. {Dragging it back on topic) Pearce Studios, who did the Guide animations for the TV HHG, also did the 4th series B7 titles[*], and the (unused) [**] Scorpio schematic that can be found in Sheelaghs' book. [*] HUD superimposed over giant chocolate meringue. [**] Why use something this good when you can have the cack they actually used...?

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RE: Re: [B7L] Gambit (was Recommendations, anyone)
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

"Marian de Haan" <maya(a)multiweb.nl> wrote: >Sally wrote: >><gurgle> sounded more disgruntled to me. I do love watching Our Heroes >Behaving Badly, and Avon here is as bad as Blake's obstreperousness in >Shadow ... though why Vila feels hard done by I don't know. After *his* >behaviour at Space City, one can't blame Blake for one moment for *not* >taking him down to Freedom City.< > >But said behaviour might have made Blake anticipate that Vila would want to >sneak off again in search of entertainment. > >Marian > Does anyone else have the impression that this is not first time Avon and Vila have done a scam together? Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Blake's Motives (was: I, Claudius?)
by Sondra Sweigman 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

Alison wrote: >Or does Blake secretly hate human beings in some way, as deeply as >Travis does, and for similar reasons? After all they are both >aiming for the same goal ? the destruction of Star One. How >different are their motives? Perhaps it is as alienating to be a >hero as to be a monster. You are always on the outside of the >human race, looking in. I think you're reaching, Alison :-) As you yourself say, Blake "seems too normal and friendly most of the time" to make a convincing case for his harboring a deep hatred of humanity similar to what Travis displays. >I sometimes think great heroism or self sacrifice could be >motivated by the fact that the hero doesn't really like people all >that much, or want to spend normal time with them. I'm only >guessing, because I've never met that kind of big?action hero in >real life. FWIW, I *have* met Blake-type heroes in real life, and beneath their heroism and self-sacrifice, all *I* ever discerned was great love--for people and for life. That's not to say there *couldn't* be an individual psychologically constituted as you describe. But it isn't Blake, and if I had to guess, I'd say it isn't most "heroes." Then Betty wrote: >Hmm. He does say in "Duel" that one of his reasons for not >killing Travis is that he would have enjoyed it... Which maybe >*does* make him more akin to Travis than he would like. Maybe >refusing to kill Travis is Blake's way of reassuring himself that >he hasn't *become* Travis. Hey, we all have the capacity to enjoy destroying an enemy. That Blake is in touch with that aspect of his psyche and makes a conscious choice not to indulge it only adds to his moral stature in my eyes. Sondra

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RE: Re: [B7L] Gambit (was Recommendations, anyone)
by Sally Manton 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

Jacqui wrote: <Does anyone else have the impression that this is not first time Avon and Vila have done a scam together?> Actually, I firmly believe that it *is* the first time, since Avon clearly doesn't anticipate how Vila will behave when, in public, he can't be brought to 'heel' ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Gambit (was Recommendations, anyone)
by Sally Manton 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

After I wrote: <<<gurgle> sounded more disgruntled to me. I do love watching Our Heroes Behaving Badly, and Avon here is as bad as Blake's obstreperousness in Shadow ... though why Vila feels hard done by I don't know. After *his* behaviour at Space City, one can't blame Blake for one moment for *not* taking him down to Freedom City.> Marian added: <But said behaviour might have made Blake anticipate that Vila would want to sneak off again in search of entertainment.> Especially since at the start of Horizon he's making all those noises about rest centres etc ... maybe Blake trusted in Avon's common sense to throw cold water on the idea? (After all, it *is* rather unlike Avon to break out in *this* way). Unfortunately, this time Vila didn't think it up by himself ... he had Avon's 'common sense' to do it for him :-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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