Blakes7 January 2002

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Re: [B7L] journeys underground
by Alison Page 27 Jan '02

27 Jan '02

Natasa said - >This occured to me while I was watching 'Orac' - I noticed that Ensor has a >mechanical bird in his lab. OK, he's a nice guy who doesn't want to keep a >real bird in a cage - but is there anything more to it? Then I realized it >wasn't exactly a bird. It has the body of an animal and the head and wings >of a bird. It could be a griffin. > >That made me think, and I realized that the whole imagery of this episode is >suggestive of ancient Greece. This reminds me of one of my favourite poems, Sailing to Byzantium, by Yeats Once out of nature I shall never take My bodily form from any natural thing But such a form as Grecian goldsmiths make Of hammered gold and gold enamelling To keep a drowsy emperor awake Or set upon a golden bough, to sing To lords and ladies of Byzantium Of what is past, or passing, or to come Alison

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Re: SFX readers poll
by Mel Saxby 27 Jan '02

27 Jan '02

Louise wrote: Doesn't seem to vary a great deal from the favourite eps lists of people on this Lyst, although I think City normally scores more highly here and the inclusion of Sand comes as something of a surprise. Gambit should have been there instead. Truth to tell, I rather like Sand, mainly for its atmospheric sets, not to mention Avon's horror at Orac's declaration of love. I also rate Sarcophagus highly, though I know a lot of fans hate it. I can only say, I loved it when I first saw it. I remember trying to work out what the dreamlike opening sequence meant, in relation to the rest of the episode. The writer, Tanith Lee, was something of a fan herself I believe, and produced a fine fantasy novel with openly ackowledged avatars or Vila and Avon. I bought it in paperback in 1980 from a small independant shop called Fantast (Medway). Anyone else heard of it? The owner produced a book list/review of his stock to anyone interested for the annual sum of a quid, I think, and was extremely friendly and informative to anyone who dropped into his shop. Returning to B7, favourite episode lists are extremely subjective. I think it depends on the elements of the episodes in question which the individual focusses on as significant. I'm rather fond of Moloch, though I know it can hardly be classed as a top piece of writing. I remember a long-ago Horizon club questionaire on S3 where in my reply I mentioned the scene between Avon and Dayna concerning the dead mouse and the apple. That scene just happened to be a favourite of mine. Moloch is not a 'great' episode, but it still entertains me in lots of ways. I generally try to look for the good points in an episode before the bad. Mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 1/2/02

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RE: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon and child
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 26 Jan '02

26 Jan '02

"Marian de Haan" <mariandehaan(a)chello.nl> wrote: >Jacqui wrote: >>Would Avon have anything against having said child fostered to a good home >until it was past the 'poking sticky fingers where it shouldn't' stage? >(Orac would second this idea no doubt).< > >He might decide to keep the child on Liberator just to annoy Orac (and >Tarrant) :-) > >Marian > 'You are a pilot Tarrant. #Surely# you can make a better paper plane?' Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Hacks
by Dana Shilling 26 Jan '02

26 Jan '02

Of course, in RL the answer is "because they couldn't imagine desktop publishing" but...within the series' own terms, why did Avon need to buy visas in the first place? If he was so bloody clever, why couldn't he just create his own (or, more likely, hack the central computer to show that he and Anna already had visas)? -(Y)

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SFX readers poll top 10 B7 eps
by Louise Rutter 26 Jan '02

26 Jan '02

And the results are: 1) Blake 2) Star One 3) Terminal 4) The Way Back 5) Sarcophagus 6) Rumours of Death 7) Orbit 8) Pressure Point 9) Sand 10) City at the Edge of the World Doesn't seem to vary a great deal from the favourite eps lists of people on this Lyst, although I think City normally scores more highly here and the inclusion of Sand comes as something of a surprise. Gambit should have been there instead. Louise

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Re: [B7L] Re: Avon and child
by Marian de Haan 26 Jan '02

26 Jan '02

Jacqui wrote: >Would Avon have anything against having said child fostered to a good home until it was past the 'poking sticky fingers where it shouldn't' stage? (Orac would second this idea no doubt).< He might decide to keep the child on Liberator just to annoy Orac (and Tarrant) :-) Marian

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Re: [B7L] Re: Re: Avon and child
by Ellynne G. 26 Jan '02

26 Jan '02

On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:47:42 +0100 Natasa Tucev <tucev(a)tesla.rcub.bg.ac.yu> writes: > Ellynne, the last time you presented this scenario to us, you also > planned > that Cally be captured by Servalan, that Servie finds out Cally's > carrying > Avon's baby, and lots of nasty things that might follow. What > happened to > this idea? I got going on that during a very unpleasant time. Suffice it to say I couldn't seem to think of any kind of story where things didn't take pretty ugly turns. Very irritating. That one got stuck in my head and I wound up trying to exorcise it by throwing it at the lyst. Now, being back to my more or less bouyant self, I'd feel compelled to stomp the villain long before the story reached the point it was heading towards. Hmm, just noticed an oddity. Despite some cynical touches and so on, I like Disney and all that. Is this compatible with being a B7 fan? Am I courting the constant danger of tossing the Liberator crew somewhere over the rainbow, surrounded by pastel bunnies and anthropomorphic mice? Not to mention the much bigger danger of what certain people on the lyst might do if I did . . . . OK, OK, I'll _try_ to think of some evil danger lurking in this story, somewhere. Does Jarrierre on a predominantly green set and speaking into a microphone, saying, "Ignore the little man behind the curtain!" count? If not, I could add in some flying monkeys. And there's always the chance of Servalan trying to get someone to prick their finger on a spindle, isn't there? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Re: Avon and child
by Ellynne G. 26 Jan '02

26 Jan '02

On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 04:47:28 +0000 "Sally M" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> writes: > Anna wrote: > "The Liberator isn't a very practical place to raise children, and > Cally's a > dedicated revolutionary--the only one in the crew besides Blake who > chose to > dedicate herself to fighting the Federation." > > Not so much, however, by the time Ellynne's talking about - she lost > a lot > of her fire when they lost Fearless Leader. Though I take your > point about > choosing not to go to Kaarn. > Just to say it - Kaarn - What, exactly, was the plan, there? The idea seems to be that they're going to set up a plant like we see on Auron. You know that one of the indicators of a country's stability is the ratio of dependents to providers? Normally, that works out as children and the elderly to midrange adults, although unemployment and disability can be worked in. I don't remember what was considered the danger range right off, but 5,000 to 2? Actually, since I understood that they had DNA or embryos or whatever for 5,000, the possibility of twins, triplets, etc. increasing that to several thousand more to 2 is there. So, I see three possibilities. 1) Although we don't see evidence of it, the Aurons have technology (as the Clone Masters seemed to) to imprint the needed life experiences, knowledge, or what have you on the growing generation (who may, then, grow really, really fast). Either the Liberator has great resources or they stopped off at Kmart for the "Build a New Civilization" blue light special. 2) They may have _potential_ for 5,000 individuals, but they're planning on raising them at a more normal pace. Lots of problems they may not have thought of. First, I know early American history and small colonies with limited resources (and amateurs in charge of them) have horrible mortality rates. A simple accident can easily turn fatal - and there are only _two_ adults. 3) Implications of the discussion on the flight deck to the contrary, Kaarn is not uninhabited. About the only people I'd trust to set the Auron colony down with would be the Clone Masters (their high respect for life would hopefully apply to nonhumans) and they have the technology necessary to help people armed with the embryos but still in need of the rest of the starter kit. Perhaps they only let it be thought they had been destroyed (avoiding future pressure to make Blake clones, etc). The point is, since I don't know what Kaarn would be like, it's hard to come up with reasons Cally may have chosen not to go with them. In the first scenario, Cally may have been keenly aware how little they needed her help. Or, with exile being the proper Auron response to failure, she may have felt she _shouldn't_ go with them. Or it could even be that Avon's lame joke about why Cally wasn't going with them was to cover up the harsher fact that Cally (who, technically, was one of the reasons her people were killed [no Cally to bring the Liberator, then Servalan could have found an easier way to con them into cloning her children]) wasn't welcome. Blaming her or being angry with her for what happened doesn't even have to be something Frantor thinks is right. If it's just the way she feels, Cally has always said she can receive thoughts from one of her own people. If it's scenario 2, keeping people with big prices on their heads _away_ from the already struggling colony is a good idea. Having one adult away from the colony as a potential backup if things go really wrong is also a good idea. If it's 3, Cally still has a price on her head and may also feel everyone's survival chances are increased if the Federation is stopped. So, Cally could avoid Kaarn without it reflecting on her maternal instincts. As for why I think she would have had them in the story I outlined: 1) She's the survivor of genocide that wiped out her whole family. I think that would have to weigh in on any decision she makes. 2) I may be projecting my own protective attitude towards children onto her, but it seems to fit. If a child winds up in my care, short term or long term, I get fiercely protective. It's the thing about knowing there isn't anyone but you to watch out for them. The 5,000 were taken care of (it seems like a lame plan, but that wasn't her fault). For this child, she would be it. 3) I think the fact Avon was the biological father would also effect her decision. Cally would feel obligated to a child of Avon's that somehow landed on the Liberator even if he wanted nothing to do with it and the mother was someone she hated. 4) Aside from all that, I agree she's the most likely of the crew to have an ethical problem with abortion. As for Avon, he wouldn't like this at all - but he still had a pretty good track record in S3 of (however much he grumbled) sticking by the others when they absolutely insisted on doing something he thought was idiotic in the extreme. If Cally was in this situation, I think he'd wind up trying to find a solution they could all live with. Of course, he'd _want_ to drop the baby of at Kaarn or with his brother or _something_. But 9 months is a long time. Plenty of room for plot complications. As for Orac, part of this tied into an idea where Orac was calculating ways to make Avon act in ways that improved his (and Orac's) survival chances, not do things that would blow up the ship, etc. Of course, if this _was_ part of Orac's plan and Avon found out, Orac might be reincarnated via garbage compressor into a new life as a paper weight . . . . Yeah. I know. But still no plot to hang these ideas on. 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Re: Avon and child
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 25 Jan '02

25 Jan '02

"Sally M" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Anna wrote: >"The Liberator isn't a very practical place to raise children, and Cally's a >dedicated revolutionary--the only one in the crew besides Blake who chose to >dedicate herself to fighting the Federation." > >Not so much, however, by the time Ellynne's talking about - she lost a lot >of her fire when they lost Fearless Leader. Though I take your point about >choosing not to go to Kaarn. > >It's something to remember, of course, that being 'Earth-Mother'-y does no >necessarily equate with being motherly in the ordinary sense, and Cally, not >by nature a warm person, is emotionally distant during the latter part of S3 >anyway. She would be conscientious of course, but mightn't *necessarily* >bond with what would be as much a half-alien offspring forced on her as it >would be to Avon. > Would Avon have anything against having said child fostered to a good home until it was past the 'poking sticky fingers where it shouldn't' stage? (Orac would second this idea no doubt). Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: [B7L] Re: Re: Avon and child
by Natasa Tucev 25 Jan '02

25 Jan '02

Ellynne, the last time you presented this scenario to us, you also planned that Cally be captured by Servalan, that Servie finds out Cally's carrying Avon's baby, and lots of nasty things that might follow. What happened to this idea? N.

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Blakes7 January 2002