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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Rushdie quotes
by Sally Manton 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

Tanja said: <Falling out of love with one's country/cause - could this have happened to Blake, if he hadn't died on Gauda Prime but had seen the post-Federation turning into anything but his dream?> That of course depends on what his dream *was* ... something the series doesn't give us a lot of clues to. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Sand and the Girl Next Door
by Sally Manton 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

After I wrote: <If Servie's Catwoman (though truly, Dayna would look better in the costume),> Iain yelled <Heresy!> No truly (I was only talking about the costume, really). I don't care for either of them much, but one has to admit Dayna does have the most beautiful figure of the actresses in the series. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: Re: [B7L] Rushdie quotes
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

"Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: >Tanja said: > >> Falling out of love with one's country/cause - >>could this have happened to Blake, if he hadn't died >> on Gauda Prime but had seen the post-Federation >>turning into anything but his dream? > >Not a problem, he could just slip out the back door of >the Presidential Palace and start another rebellion. > >-(Y) > There was always the System to 'sort out'. Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Rushdie quotes [was Sand and the Girl Next Door]
by Angria＠t-online.de 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

Harriet wrote: None, as far as I know - I noticed it in a series of articles he wrote last year about revisiting India. It was his love for India that he was measuring. Ah, yes. Now that I think about it, it sounds like something out of the discussion his narrator has in "The Ground Beneath her Feet" about Ormus Cama's songs as comments on India. To make this vaguely B7-connected: Falling out of love with one's country/cause - could this have happened to Blake, if he hadn't died on Gauda Prime but had seen the post-Federation turning into anything but his dream? Harriet: But it's so nice to meet someone who says something nice about Rushdie I must be in the minority of people who came to Rushdie through "Haroun and the Sea of Stories", which I absolutely adored. (Okay, I have a soft spot for children's novels anyway, but I still think it was great by any standards.) I then read "Midnight's Children", "The Moor's Last Sigh", and "The Ground Beneath her Feet"; out of these, "The Moor's Last Sigh" is my favourite - I have mixed feelings about the other two, but I definitely wasn't dissapointed, as they both entertained me and made me think. Harriet: that I'll give you another, which is from a book: And a great quote it is. Thank you. Tanja

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RE: Re: [B7L] Orbit, Vila and Avon
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

"Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> wrote: > >From: Betty Ragan <ragan(a)sdc.org> > >> Responding to me, Jacqui wrote: >> > >If you have a faster-than-light spaceship, it's no problem at all, as >> > >the radiation and debris from the supernova can't travel outward faster >> > >than the speed of light. (That's assuming you know the supernova is >> > >coming, of course...) > >Had a background idea for a story - would supernovae become tourist events? >They are, after all, visible over considerable distances, hundreds if not >thousands of light years. The one that created the Crab Nebula - 5000 ly >away - was visible from Earth for three months. The event itself could be >under continuous observation, with a series of observation platforms >progressively further away from the star in question. 400 ly from Earth, >the 1604 supernova has yet to become visible. > >A whole new dimension of culture could arise from this. Couples might get >married under the flare of an exploding star - and then return 20, 50, or 60 >years to celebrate their anniversary watching the same star explode from >just a little bit further out (tens of light years being a negligible >distance to an FTL society that can reach the edge of the galaxy). >Supernovae might form the climax >of a celebrity comeback concert. A geeky collectors club of rich travellers >might do the rounds, with an elite inner circle bagging them all every year. >Supernovae might become a lucrative property, the owners selling observation >rights, with lawyers haggling over viewing distance limits and other >minutiae. Eventually, a been-there-done-that 'supernova fatigue' might set >in, with ensuing public disinterest. > >That was the background concept, anyway. Never did get any idea for a plot. > >Neil > But a tad 'Restaurant at the end of the universe'-ish if one is not careful. Is it possible to fly through/skim the edge of a star (apart from the asteroid mentioned in (I think) Sarcophagus) Jacqui (who did not mean to start an astronomical debate) __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Cave stories
by Helen Atkins 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

Alas Natasa, I've tried writing fiction and if my characters were any more stilted, you'd think they were Margaret Thatcher. My personal opinion is that too many inexperienced people drown underground because the idea of staying put, with inadequate food, no bedding, possibly only muddy water, no toilets and having to wait in the dark for several days (in order to save battery power until it's needed to get out)until the water level drops is so inconceivable to them that they try to cross underground rivers when their chances of making it are very slim. A manifestation of the "it can't happen to *me*" syndrome, perhaps. If I did have any writing ability, I'd play up the differences in the nature of the characters - eg I could see Tarrant or Dayna wanting to chance a crossing, whereas Avon (Mr. "I don't like water sports") or Vila would be more likely to sit tight. As for me, I'm strongly in favour of listening to the weather forecasts, delaying a trip if rain is expected, and *never* camping underground. Helen _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Ghostwatch
by Pherber＠aol.com 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

In a message dated Fri, 26 Oct 2001 8:36:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Pat Sumner" <Wildean(a)btopenworld.com> writes: > Has anyone managed to access the Ghostwatch webcast by any chance? > > You're supposed to get to it via www.ukhorizons.tv and click on the ghostwatch > link. I thought it was on Saturday and Sunday (despite the Beeb having put the dates as the 26th/27th)? Nina

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Ghostwatch
by Pat Sumner 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

Has anyone managed to access the Ghostwatch webcast by any chance? You're supposed to get to it via www.ukhorizons.tv and click on the ghostwatch link. I can't find the webcast. Has anyone else accessed it? (If you don't know, "Ghostwatch" was a programme presented by Paul Darrow and Claudia Christian; they're attempting to detect ghosts live from the Tower of London). Wildean

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Fwd: RE: [B7L] Character Change & Development - mostly Vila
by Sally Manton 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

Laia wrote: <I think he's about the only one who ever even mentions Cally's death after _Rescue_ Yes, but what I like about it is the way he does it is so very Vilaesque ... "If I died it'd be a real joke. Who'd care? Who cared about Cally?" He's still thinking first and foremost about himself, isn't he? It echoes that line waaaayyy back in Duel: VILA: Have you thought what might happen if those two don't get back? I mean, could you operate this ship properly? Well, could you? He's not worried about Blake and Jenna so much as what might happen to them (him) if Blake and Jenna were lost.* (Avon *was* insulting him with that line about proving you care, IMO). Vila is both very consistent and very honest about this part of himself, it's part of what makes such a all-for-me-and-me-for-me personality endearing in spite of it ... *I like this, too. Took a while, but we found out what would happen if they were lost, and Vila didn't much care for it any more than Fighting for Freedom ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: [B7L] Character Change & Development - mostly Vila
by Sally Manton 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

After I wrote: <Can't say I recall how many times Vila got hit on the head. Anyone done an actual head-count?> Nico answered: <Up to the end of season 3, 11 times.> Hell, I *really* wasn't watching :-) I knew he got injured a fair few times (they all did, of course) but I can't even *place* many times he was actually hit on the head :-) It really must come down to who looks nicer (sorry to the anti-Beautiful-Suffering contingent, and sorry to the Vila lovers :-)) I know Avon gets knocked unconscious 10 times that I recall (Breakdown, Terminal, Aftermath, Powerplay, Assassin, Headhunter, Warlord, and - as stated - three times in Power), and is injured in other ways in The Web, Hostage, Volcano, Rumours and Moloch (and Ultraworld, if you add in having his brain removed, which I'm pretty sure he would). And - as also mentioned - most of this all happens in S3-4. No wonder the poor man wants Blake back :-) <Avon has become much colder and withdrawn (poss. due to the loss of Cally and the Liberator).> And Anna, and being told Blake was really dead. And getting stuck on a hole in the galaxy (Terminal) with no way out till the first 4th series McGuffin turns up (Dorian). His actions towards Dorian is the first sign that our already cold hero is heading into deep freeze. <His put-downs are now real insults rather than banter> Agreed - Assassin, "try using your fingers" - though just occasionally he seems to ease up - also Assassin, "my hero" and that grin. Actually, I think Vila is one of the most tragic characters in the series - basically such a nice, likeable, guy, but eventually abused to the point of misery, loneliness, and possible alcoholism.> Yes, but do be fair, Vila *is* nice and likeable and fun to listen to ... but just because Avon's self-centred streak is more visible, that doesn't make it worse than Vila's. Remember his criticising Jenna for not 'being nice' to Raiker, because it would make the latter more unpleasant to deal with? Vila is IMO the most selfish of the lot, there is *no one* he would put ahead of himself if push came to crunch (with Avon, there are IMO at least two people we know about, maybe three with Del Grant) and genuinely cowardly: he does, several times and quite sincerely, argue for deserting one or more of the others in a crisis. He was genuinely ready to ditch Blake - whom he likes - in Trial, and then there's "Jenna ... let's run for it," in Star One. He's nice, *but* ... Vila is one of life's losers - even machinery like the teleport seems to be against him (Sarcophagus, Power). Maybe his real tragedy is that, like Blake, he doesn't really belong or fit in this time and place at all ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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