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RE: [B7L] Character Change & Development - mostly Vila
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

I'm intrigued and will have to look again! Thank you very much. I think all the female characters except Servalan were very badly served by the writers (and let's not even mention that bastard Ben Steed). Nico Sally wrote: > > Nico wrote: > But I'm interested - Gan and Jenna friendly?> > > There's not a lot, true (there rarely is with the secondary > characters*) > but there are IMO a few indicators - > > they have one of the REALLY rare semi-personal talks in Time > Squad, and do > seem to me to be friendly; > > once or twice, early on, they seem to be teaming up to tease > Vila about his > cowardice (Destiny) > > he shows concern for her in Deliverance (keeping Lord Avon's > mind on the > task of saving Jenna :-)) and Shadow ("Are you all right > Jenna?" "What does > it look like?") > > Jenna is the *most* determined to save Gan, even when risking > the Liberator, > in Breakdown; her determination seems to have a fiercer, more > personal > quality than the rest (and moreso than we're used to from her). > > Jenna, like Vila, seriously considers leaving Blake in Trial > (and her "much > good it did him"). > > *Jenna should have been one of the primary characters, true. > But Idon't > really think she *ever* was - there simply wasn't enough > interest in her > character, right from the start - and Avon and Vila took over > writer and > audience interest very quickly. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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RE: [B7L] Season 4 clothes - why so few?
by J MacQueen 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

>From: Nicola Mody-Nikoloff <n_mody-nikoloff(a)axis-intermodal.co.nz> >Yeah, I had thought of that too! And almost all in dull greys to his >black. Almost, because unless I'm mistaken (which is always on the cards. Now I've the worry that all the televisions I've ever watched an episode on might have had colour problems...), one of Dayna's s4 outfits is a shade of purple. Not a particularly nice one, to my mind. At least she didn't have to lend it to Servalan this time. Regards Joanne (who likes that suit of Avon's, but will never be able to look at it in the same way again, now <mock pout>) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: [B7L] Character Change & Development - mostly Vila
by Sally Manton 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Nico wrote: But I'm interested - Gan and Jenna friendly?> There's not a lot, true (there rarely is with the secondary characters*) but there are IMO a few indicators - they have one of the REALLY rare semi-personal talks in Time Squad, and do seem to me to be friendly; once or twice, early on, they seem to be teaming up to tease Vila about his cowardice (Destiny) he shows concern for her in Deliverance (keeping Lord Avon's mind on the task of saving Jenna :-)) and Shadow ("Are you all right Jenna?" "What does it look like?") Jenna is the *most* determined to save Gan, even when risking the Liberator, in Breakdown; her determination seems to have a fiercer, more personal quality than the rest (and moreso than we're used to from her). Jenna, like Vila, seriously considers leaving Blake in Trial (and her "much good it did him"). *Jenna should have been one of the primary characters, true. But Idon't really think she *ever* was - there simply wasn't enough interest in her character, right from the start - and Avon and Vila took over writer and audience interest very quickly. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: [B7L] Character Change & Development - mostly Vila
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Sally wrote: > Nico: > <I thought they were friends when I first watched B7, and on > re-viewing it > this year. Gan looks after Vila on the London and Cygnus > Alpha, and teases > him about his fear a couple of times. It looks friendly to me.> > > Pretty affable, yes - it appears to me that they gravitated > together on the > London after Nova died and Bake, Avon and Jenna vanished. > Once on the > Liberator, Vila gets on equally well with Gan and Blake, but > finds Avon more > fun to plague :-), while Gan seems (to me at least) to become > more friendly with Jenna. I do like the idea of Vila choosing to annoy Avon. But I'm interested - Gan and Jenna friendly? I've always seen Jenna as likeable, fair-minded, and slightly aloof except with Blake to whom she is obviously attracted. Her body language when other women are on board says "Keep off - he's mine!" I never noticed any particular interaction with Gan anyway. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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RE: [B7L] Season 4 clothes - why so few?
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

> Susan Beth wrote: > > Maybe they had multiple identical sets of each outfit. It > was an economy > measure (having lost the treasure room) to buy in bulk for > the discount. ;-) Yeah, I had thought of that too! And almost all in dull greys to his black. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Re: [B7L] Tarrant in charge (was Poor Vila)
by Marian de Haan 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Nico wrote: >And I've always thought it odd that Avon allowed Tarrant to take charge.< It's my theory that he intended Tarrant to run the ship, leaving him (Avon) free to pursue his own interests. Of course this scheme backfires when Tarrant develops a tendency to get the ship into danger :-) (In case anyone is interested, I've written an essay on that topic, which can be found on Judith's website. Comments are wellcome.) Marian

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Re: [B7L] Season 4 clothes - why so few?
by Marian de Haan 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Nico wrote: >But what about season 4? Most of them wear only two or so outfits each (I'm taking a guess from memory here) in the whole season. Avon wears black, and seems to have compelled the others to dress in greys (a uniform?)< I always assumed that all S4 clothes came from Dorian's and Soolin's wardrobes. And I'm convinced that Avon's "sunray suit" (Assassin-Gold) was Soolin's originally, but somehow got mixed up with Dorian's clothes. Of course Avon would choose it on the strength of it being the most outrageous outfit available. And I can imagine Soolin keeping quiet about it and enjoying the joke in silence :-) Marian

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Season 4 clothes - why so few?
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

In the first 3 seasons the crew had a clothes room, which enabled them to change clothes several times a day. But what about season 4? Most of them wear only two or so outfits each (I'm taking a guess from memory here) in the whole season. Avon wears black, and seems to have compelled the others to dress in greys (a uniform?) Now in 'Power' they're all worried about there being no food. They'd have to make food runs to other planets regularly to get supplies. Couldn't they buy clothes too? And how did they keep outfits they wore for days on end clean, esp. after being in the glycolene tank? What do they do? Strip off and fling all their clothes into an ultra-fast dry-cleaning machine, then stand, naked and shivering, waiting for their clothes to be ejected all clean, pressed and folded? Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Re: Orac and the Book
by Steve Rogerson 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Jacqui said > Imagine Orac meeting the Hitchikers' Guidebook - what would the outcome be? It would only happen if the imbrobability drive was switched on. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Fwd: [B7L] Season 4 clothes - why so few?
by Sally Manton 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Nicola wrote: <But what about season 4? Most of them wear only two or so outfits each (I'm taking a guess from memory here) in the whole season. Avon wears black, and seems to have compelled the others to dress in greys (a uniform?)> And Dorian supplied the first lot (one has to wonder why, given that he was planning to feed them to the Thing In The Cellar, he bothered with making sure there were clothes in these people's sizes. One also wonders how he knew their sizes. One wonders if it's really Carnell in disguise :-)) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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