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Avon and Shrinker
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 28 Jul '01

28 Jul '01

von and Shrinker We do not know 'how' Avon came to be in the cell in RoD: what sort of information he provided/hinted at to get himself subject to interrogation. It might well be that different kinds of torture (human/mechanical/psychochemical) were used in different contexts - and Avon could have provided for that. The transmitter could have served as dual function. I suspect that Avon would have made *very* sure that Shrinker was 'in the neighbourhood' before he subjected himself as bait. Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Pacey in Pinter
by Dana Shilling 28 Jul '01

28 Jul '01

The New York Times for today (July 27) reviews the Pinter Festival at Lincoln Center (New York City). The ALmeida Theater Company is presenting two Pinter one-acts tonight and tomorrow. Steven Pacey plays Bert Hudd in "The Room" and Russell in "Celebration." The review includes a none-too-flattering photo of SP in "The Room," Pinter's first play. -(Y)

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items on Ebay
by JEB31538＠cs.com 28 Jul '01

28 Jul '01

The usual assortment of Blakes 7 is on Ebay currently. Some special items are the Chris Boucher script copy of Rescue, the Liberator large model kit, several Corgi Liberators, the Liberator jigsaw puzzle, and most of the B7 Monthlies. Joyce

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new script on Ebay---Rescue
by JEB31538＠cs.com 28 Jul '01

28 Jul '01

Episode: Rescue by Chris Boucher. Although the BBC used photostating to produce the camera scripts I can guarantee that this is not a newly minted copy but a genuine original from 1981. On yellow paper the script is complete but not in story order. It is in recording order and contains shot lists and pretty much everything else you might want to know about how a show is put together in the recording studio. This was the first episode of the fourth season. It is a clean copy in good condition considering age. It can be autographed by the writer if you wish. This is the description from Ebay. It is item number 1171836730. Of course, the writer and the seller is Chris Boucher. Joyce

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Re: [B7L] Torture in the Federation
by Ellynne G. 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:00:06 +0100 "Una McCormack" <una(a)qresearch.org.uk> writes: > Ellynne wrote: > > > Or perhaps it could be beaten by someone with the right background > > [snip] > > > Which still begs the question of whether Cally could have > withstood it > > and whether or not she did. > > The main character in Sylvia Engdahl's "The Far Side of Evil" is > able to withstand > sensory deprivation by virtue of having telepathy. Tough book. Not > sure I should have > been reading it as a 10 year old, but then... I read it too. It probably _shouldn't_ have been in the children's section, now that I think about it (but that's where all the SF that didn't have graphic sex used to be put). Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if Cally could deal with sensory deprivation in much the same way, but torture's another matter. The character in the book was largely able to deal with it by being able to switch off her perception of pain. I don't think Cally can do that - or not as well. She may, with sufficient warning, be able to concentrate on ignoring pain better than the average human. As for Avon, if there were artificial aids to dealing with torture (like the artificially induced allergy to truth serum), I wouldn't be surprised if he had them (although I'd love to know _how_ he got them [high placed family, employment with government or military, employment with criminal types, something he did on his own, or other?]). Perhaps that was one of the reasons he knew he could get put on the high priority interrogation list? A regular, undocumented type might not be worth the trouble. An undocumented type with very unusual and expensive interrogation protection who refuses to pull strings to get himself released is another story. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Voice from the Past (was Frame capture vote results)
by Sally Manton 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

Harriet wrote re Voice: <The story would work better if it was a parallel to Shadow and his attempt to recruit the Terra Nostra, and I'd also move it back a bit. That way, the first part of second season could be loosely grouped around Blake attempting to find allies to help him overthrow the Federation, > etc I like this <g> an it would sharpen the feeling I get in the latter half of 'old walls' closing in on him, his own choices diminishing. On the other hand, there's the feeling of this being a last-minute (albeit illusory) chance for revolution 'without bloodshed', and I like the fact that a few things irrevocably change after Voice: Blake does seem colder and a bit more tired and withdrawn (and his *icy* cruelty towards Travis in the next episode, Gambit, is both notable and not really like him); after a short period of unprecedented amity :-) the relationship between Blake and Avon is definitely *off*-kilter heading straight for the strain of The Keeper and almighty explosion of Star One; Avon breals out in a quite un-Avonish way, dragging Vila (okay, so it wasn't *hard* to drag Vila) with him in Gambit. And Natasa: <I also agree with you that Blake has probably encountered many 'dissident governers interested only in local issues'. This is quite a realistic assumption, although there's no canonic evidence for it.> That's what fanfic is for :-) <Another naive detail in the series, IMO, is that the rebellion's leaders all get on so well. From the very beginning, the whole anti-Federation movement is so harmonious: Bran Foster and his comrades discuss how to help the rebels in the Outer Worlds, cultural center doesn't despise the periphery. There are no fractions with opposed ideological views, personal ambitions or dislikes, conflicting local or territorial interests, stuff that usually brings a revolution to a collapse.> Though there is one small hint that the different rebel factions are not exactly friends (or even friend-ish) with Avon's blunt "you are the *only* one they will all follow." Possibly Blake's *lack* of conventional ideological stance, the fact that he and the Liberator are somewhat apart from *all* rebel groups, and his lengendary status ensures that he can stay out of whatever back-stabbing and political skullduggery is going on :-) This, of course, would hardly continue once the Federation was dead and gone, but then Blake doesn't IMO expect to be alive then anyway ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Re:character's cabins
by Sally Manton 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

Helen wrote: <Sally gave a lovely image of a cluttered cabin for Blake, but I've always liked the idea that Avon would be the one with clutter, a technological version of Sherlock Holmes.> <grin> somehow I do think of Avon as a very precise person, in his habits as much as in his vocabulary, but I liked this anyway :-) (OTOH, I have known people who go in for precise clutter, which I can see with our Kerr). I know that it's unlikely that Our Heroes would be going in for anything 'terribly House and Garden' but I do think that you can tell a fair bit about someone by the stuff they accumulate and keep in their own private doman (or *could* tell a fair bit if the makers had seen fit to show us, mutter grumble). The problem with all of them is how they would *obtain* anything that wasn't actually [a] on the ship or [b] made themselves. I guess they could might pick stuff up if they stopped at neutral planets or resistance bases for supplies (actually, they'd have to have picked up all the games somewhere?) but surely they couldnt stop for long (and someone - pobably Jenna - would have to pawn some of the treasure room baubles for spendable cash first :-)). and Ellynne on Jenna: <I don't know what a spacer's cabin normally looks like, but there is no doubt Jenna's cabin is very obviously one - and that it is just as obvious the spacer in question is Jenna.> An unlikely but extremely appealing thought occurred to me; the jewellry in the treasure room, 300 million credits' worth (according to Jenna herself). I have this mental picture of Jenna using strings of diamonds, rubies, pearls etc as garlands or 'bead curtains' in her room, thus satisfying both her taste for glittery decoration and her (uncanonical but quite possible) streak of avarice ... And : <Vila - I don't know what's in there, but I'm sure there's a lot of it. Vila's a packrat.> Absolutely. He's the sort who would keep useless stuff on the grounds that it *might* come in handy someday ... and I also see him with a taste for the gaudy and kitschy and absolutely, endearingly *awful* sort of thing we all get junk mail catalogues stuffed with ... Tarrant would probably have learned neatness and economy of habit in the military, and keeps his own room fairly bare (or alternately, went OTT in the other direction and covers everything in sight with flashy pseudo-piratical flair.) And more on Blake ... actually, I'm going to cheat and quite an unfinished PGP thing I scribbled, which described his room from Soolin's POV ... "Untidy, yes, but not overly so - a big, rumpled bed, a couple of chairs piled with clothes, all of which have seen better days. Papers semi-stacked in a corner, escaping into a muddle, covered with a large, round handwriting and surprisingly neat, precise drawings - engineering plans, none of which she understands. Several guns, and a knife more suited to gutting carnivores than any purpose she wants to think of. Old booktapes, older books. Scattered tools. On one shelf, a mangled bracelet rather different from the Scorpio ones, and a leatherette pouch spilling jewels, thrown down as carelessly as cheap toys. A candy-pink scarf, a woman's, carefully folded ... when she unwraps it, a necklace of diamonds, sparkling coldly in the dim light, falls out. Somehow, it seems important. *The pilot -? Jenna? Dead, he said ...* Several holographic crystals, as delicate as soap bubbles, of people she doesn't know, and among them, one of Avon. He looked younger then - the different hair, the silver tunic - *what, no black then?* - the look in the brown eyes. When she half-turns it, the lips seem to touch on a smile, a real smile, just for a moment." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: Re: [B7L] Re:character's cabins (or should I label this worst crossover)
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 26 Jul '01

26 Jul '01

Harriet Monkhouse <hflysator(a)jarriere.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Helen wrote: >>As I headed for the exit, another door opened, the panel to his bathroom >>which had been disguised by the oversized starchart screen livefed from >>Zen. > >Oh! I see. I spent several seconds trying to work out what starch art >was, and vaguely wondering whether Avon might be into that thing where >you print pictures with potatoes. >-- >Harriet > >Jarriere: [Shakes his head] - Gambit So what 'odd hobbies' would people in the B7 universe get up to? Jacqui > __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Frame capture vote results
by Lisa Williams 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

And the winners are: Weapon Horizon Voice From the Past Animals These will be the next four episodes added to the frame capture library. OK, I can understand "Weapon" and "Horizon", and we all know that "Animals" has its own small but vocal and dedicated group of promoters -- but what is the attraction of "Voice From the Past"? I know I've seen that one, but I honestly can just barely remember it. - Lisa -- Lisa Williams: lisa(a)eroicafans.org or lcw(a)dallas.net Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://framecaplib.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroicafans.org/

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Re: [B7L] Re:character's cabins (or should I label this worst crossover)
by Ellynne G. 25 Jul '01

25 Jul '01

On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:21:42 -0700 Helen Krummenacker <avona(a)jps.net> writes: > Sally gave a lovely image of a cluttered cabin for Blake, but I've > always liked the idea that Avon would be the one with clutter, a > technological version of Sherlock Holmes. LOL! While this isn't nearly as amusing - Cally - What we see in Sarcophagus is Cally's room after she's packed away everything Auronish that she can't deal with the sight of (only to find herself sketching pictures of familiar places). Normally, she may be a bit spare on the decorations, but there's a definite effort to give her personal space a warmer touch. Also, there's a terrarium for her cactus. Jenna - I see the lifelong space traders as having their own subculture. I don't know what a spacer's cabin normally looks like, but there is no doubt Jenna's cabin is very obviously one - and that it is just as obvious the spacer in question is Jenna. Everything practically shouts the owner's personality. Gan - a few very small nicknacks of sentimental value (a picture or sketch of his wife and perhaps a couple other things). Other than that, there's one or two things lying around that let you know about Gan's hobbies. The 'practical' stuff is largely just that, but there is a slight sense of particular items giving the place a more human look. Vila - I don't know what's in there, but I'm sure there's a lot of it. Vila's a packrat. He can't bare to throw anything away because 1) he may need it someday, 2) it might be valuable, and 3) the cumpulsive thief in him unconsciously hordes stuff to reassert his worth, to prove 'I was here.' However stuffed the room may be, however, it's organized, with a place for everything (even if Vila's the only one who would ever realized it's organized). Avon - I like Helen's example except that I don't think he has quite so many dirty food and clothes items lying around (it's the biological hazard issue). Then again, maybe his space is cluttered and painfully organized (the organization system may only become chaotic as he explians it [rather like Holmes whose filing system seemed designed to confound anyone else trying to use it]). Tarrant - Lots of big posters of famous space battles and model ships. Dayna - Lots of weapons and stuffed animals or their skins. A harp and a maybe a picture of her family (I'm not sure if she could draw one and it might be hard to find a picture). Soolin - Nothing that isn't glaringly practical. Anything that even suggests warmth has been discarded. A plain, metal box of hair accessories and a practical but not excessive collection of weapons and ammo (easily in reach but not displayed as if she's trying to _prove_ anything). Blake - More warmth and color but it probably wasn't intentionally planned, that's just the stuff he's more likely to use, given a choice. A picture of his family. Also, lots of sketches of things that seem _almost_ familiar but that he can't place (but that he's not going to get rid of without knowing if they're part of his memory and not imagination). A political map of the Federation and surrounding territory with little flag pins stuck into reflecting various rebel activities, successful and otherwise. Those sentimental gifts people gave him that he had no room for are in the _other_ cabin where he used to sleep before it got too cluttered (and he really does mean to go in and clean it up. Someday). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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