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Re: [B7L] Re: [B7L]Back on topic, methinks? (was warning, camoflague etc)
by Sally Manton 21 May '01

21 May '01

Stephen wrote: <I can't see Servalan letting Blake claim to be saviour of the galaxy and she'd have to explain the presence of the Liberator on the front line somehow.>

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Re: When "Animals" camouflage and other Stuff
by Rita d' Orac 21 May '01

21 May '01

"Jenny Kaye" <jennycat55(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > SLASHER Rita d' Orac wrote: No, you are wrong: By definition "I'm not a slasher" means...guess what... "I'm not a slasher!" > > >Subject: [B7L] Re: When "Animals" camouflage and other Stuff > > > > > > > > >jennycat55(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > >{huuuge snip} > > She has made this "huuuge snip" because she doen't want to discuss most of > the issues I have brought up. No, you are wrong: Snip was made because I had no comment to make on any thing you wrote above the snip - if you or anyone else want to see that part of your message, just look in the archive. > > > > Everyone on Freedom > > > > City is by definition a slasher, but on this lyst there are people who > > >are > > > > not. It's those people that are > > > > my concern, the ones you are after. It's petty, it's small minded, but > I > > > > suppose it's power of some kind. > > >{snipped rest of message} > > > > > >Actually no - I'm not a slasher, but I am a member of Freedom City. > > Then by definition you are a SLASHER. No, you are wrong: By definition "I'm not a slasher" means...guess what... "I'm not a slasher!" > > >If I see something on that list that I don't want to read, I don't read > it. > > Freedom City is a SLASHER lyst. No, you are wrong: It is not. Check archives for Tiger's earlier message which explains this for you. > > > Apart from a few misdirected email's that weren't meant for the > >> > list, I don't recall having come across any posts that attacked > >> >> > individuals viewpoints the way I've seen them attacked here - such > >> > behaviour is not tolerated by the list's administrator. > > That is true. Debate on Freedom City is stifled. That "misdirected email" > comment though is interesting. On the surface it seems Freedom City has a > relaxed atmosphere, but behind people's backs they are all sniping at each > other. See? No, you are wrong: Debate is not stifled and I have no interest in commenting on (or even reading) messages accidently sent to the list. There is a clearly defined policy for what to do if/when this happens. > > > What I have enjoyed on that list is reading the many > > >different opinions of people on several aspects of B7 that I might > >> > not otherwise have had an opportunity to listen to or discuss (I am > > >mostly an active lurker). > > She is now stating that there is debate on Freedom City which contradicts > what she has previously stated. No, you are wrong: I never stated that there wasn't debate on the list - you did - and I therefore cannot have contradicted myself. To clarify for you - there is plenty of debate on that list. > I > > >suggest that you try being a member of that list before you knock it. > > Even I wouldn't want to spend too much time on Freedom City. The programming > techniques being used there are extremely powerful. Scared of being proved wrong? > > >There are several issues that I agree with you and Fiona/Shane/Whoever > on, > > Smart. You can see that what Fiona (an anthropologist) Shane (a gay male) > and I (???) are saying, come down basically to the same thing, SLASH is a > dangerous conditioning device. No, I have already made my views clear to this list (check the archive if you can be bothered, or speak to Shane or Fiona) and you will see exactly which issues I agree on. The archives (or any conversation you have with either Shane or Fiona) will prove that I have never indicated in any way that I believe slash is a dangerous conditioning device. I don't believe that it is. > > > >most > > >of which I have debated offlist > > Why offlyst? Also, this person has never contacted *me* offlyst. By offlist, I simply mean face to face conversations held at various places I have had the good fortune to run into other B7 fans (conventions, theatre trips, Beer & B7 meetings etc). Of course I haven't contacted you offlist - Is there any reason I should have done so? > > > at some time or another with several of my B7 friends (and that > >> > >includes my B7 friends who are "slashers") > > They are all SLASHERS. No, you are wrong: As most people on this list are already aware (and most of them are by now probably quite rightly sniggering at your above comment!), a large number of my B7 friends are violently (and in some cases very publically) opposed to slash. Others are not. I am perfectly happy to have friends with views that oppose mine. > > - nobody could > > >accuse me of being less than seriously opinionated on some of these > topics! > > I agree there. > > > >But our debating remains reasonably civilised because we respect the fact > that we are all B7 fans. > > These debates never took place. No, you are wrong: They did. Why would you presume to know in any case? - you weren't there!! > > >Despite broadly agreeing with your views on some of the issues you have > raised, > > Notice she doesn't specify which views she broadly agrees with. Another > conditioning device. That is because my views are already a matter of public record within the archives and I have no reason to repeat them - take a look. If you aren't able to work out from this which views we have in common, I can spell them out for you. > > > >I do not condone some of the tactics > > Here's another old favourite. Attack the posting style, avoid the issues. That is because it is in fact your posting style that I object to. I have no issues to avoid. > > >you/Fiona/Shane/Whoever > > Now look here. There is a subtle difference. She is trying to suggest now > that Fiona, Shane and myself and "whoever" else may be saying the same thing > are all the same person. This equates to basically saying that this view is > being held by only one person. Wrong. No, you are wrong: This equates to me not being clear about how many of these people you actually speak for. To clarify further for you, I refer to yourself AND Fiona AND Shane AND anyone else you care to name that you feel you speak for. I really don't care if you are all one person or several individuals. > > >have used in raising these issues and then responding to the view > >of > others on this list without allowing for any proper debate of these > > >important issues. > > She is agreeing that they are important issues. However what she is saying > is that my posting style is preventing the SLASHERS from dealing with and > stifling what it is I am saying here. However also note that this letter is > a very sophisticated programming device. They've upped the ante. Yes, I am on record in the archives as stating that they are important issues. That is why I used those very words. As to whether your posting style is the reason for people not debating with you - yes, I believe it is. My evidence for this is the many postings from people whom you have tagged as slashers saying that this is the case. Again, look in the archives if you want to confirm this. > > >Neither can I condone in any way the actions you/Fiona/Shane/Whoever have > taken or > > >incited > > >others to take against Annie's website. It is wrong. > > Again look what she is saying. Shane left this lyst six weeks ago but now > she > is saying that he has attacked Annie's evil website. I think Fiona's attack > on Evil Annie's website was wrongheaded, but it was not done through malice, > it was done through desperation. Fiona is an anthropologist. Secrecy > surrounds SLASH because they don't want it debated. They say people who > attack SLASH are homophobic, but Shane was gay. He described **SLASH** as > **homophobic**. It is. It was incorrect of me to add Shane's name to that list. A copy/paste error, nothing more. I have no knowledge as to whether Shane was involved or not. The "whoever" part covers anyone else who was involved - I have no interest in knowing their identities. > > >Please don't assume that you speak for all non slash fans, Jenny - > > Interesting that you use my name here. I use it because I am referring to you. It is common practice in the English language to name the person you are referring to. > > >you don't speak for me. > > No I don't, you are a SLASHER. Also note what she is now saying, earlier she > said that she broadly agreed with what I was saying, now she says that she > doesn't. No, you are wrong: As stated earlier, I am not a slasher. I stated earlier "There are several issues that I agree with you and Fiona/Shane/Whoever on". There is nothing in that statement that implies that you may speak for me on any issues. To clarify once again - you may not. > > >Please don't presume to tell me whether or not it is "safe" > > >for>me to be a member of this or the Freedom City list - that decision is > mine > > YOU ARE A SLASHER No, you are wrong: By definition "I'm not a slasher" means...guess what... "I'm not a slasher!" > > >to > > >make and I choose to stay on both lists. > > YOU ARE A SLASHER. No, you are wrong: By definition "I'm not a slasher" means...guess what... "I'm not a slasher!" > Why do you think this person is attacking me? Why not just ignore me or > Killfile me? Why am I attacking you? - I am not. Please indicate where you think my post attacks you. Why don't I just ignore you? - I had something to add to one of the posts on this mailing list - so I posted it! I never ignore a message I want to reply to. Why don't I killfile you? - Why do you think I should? I have never killfiled anybody I disagree with and I have no wish to start doing so now. > I'll tell you why. She is trying to discredit what I am saying. > They don't what you to listen. This person is a PROGRAMMER. No, you are wrong: I replied to a public post on a public mailing list. It is reasonable to expect people to reply to your post if they have something to add to the topic you are posting on. You posted on a topic, and I replied to it. If what you said in your post was correct, I would not be inclined to comment on it at all, never mind attempt to discredit it in any way. You are correct in calling me a programmer because I program in VB as part of my job. > > PLEASE LEAVE THIS LYST AT ONCE. No. Shan't. Won't. Can't make me. So there. ===== rita d'orac "If you think of this mouse as a space captain..." http://www.vilaworld.com ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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[B7L]Back on topic, methinks? (now heading back to costumes)
by Sally Manton 20 May '01

20 May '01

Stephen wrote: <(As far as leather is concerned I always preferred Jenna :))> <grin> as far as *red* leather is concerned, hers suit as a whole is better, I must admit (this is not hard. Lobster Top.) Avon looks best is silky shirts IMO. But 'tis an interesting (well, to me :-)) point that the *only* character we see in thigh-length boots is one of the *male* crew ... (fashion as social history: what *do* the admittedly small changes in fashion over the 4 series give us?) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Space Fall
by Tavia 20 May '01

20 May '01

Ellynne wrote: >Leylan's character: I think he represents the full tragedy of what the >Federation can do to the good - or potentially good - people under its >control. He _knows_ what's right and he's willing to make some gestures >towards it, but with a great sense of futility. One of the weapons of any wrong-headed administration is just that sense of futility, of cynicism, of apathy. Many will see the injustices and the corruption, few will take any action. And Carol Mc wrote: >... heroism is an impulsive act. Time and again, the honorees state that they don't consider >themselves to be heroes. They saw and they reacted. I think that happened a number of >times in B7. A character saw someone in danger and reacted to save him/her. Which is >heroic, because some people wouldn't react; they'd slink the other way or freeze. True. The really interesting part, to me at least, is that to oppose the injustices and corruption of the Federation administration requires heroic action(s), but it's not of the impulsive sort, it's considered and premeditated. I would guess that the proportion of people who would risk their life impulsively, say, to save a child from drowning would be much higher than the proportion who would risk their job to oppose a multinational corporation that, say, abuses child labour. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Avon worship
by Tavia 20 May '01

20 May '01

Sally asked: >For the Avon fans - I know there's a few of us around - just what *is* it >about him that you find makes him that much more interesting? As I said earlier, he's a geek with dress sense. Tavia, the psycopathic kitten

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All Gone?
by bobvin＠europa.com 20 May '01

20 May '01

Hello? Helloo?? Anybody here? (damn ...) HELLO? ANYBODY? ( ... and then there was one ...) Question: Given the entire Internet to hide in; The listserv computers programmed to avoid all contact with "Slashers", "Programmers" or "Freedom City"; How long could I maintain myself? Just wondering Bob

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[MAILER-DAEMON: Returned mail: see transcript for details]
by The Doctor 20 May '01

20 May '01

----- Forwarded message from Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON> ----- Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:40:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON> To: doctor Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) The original message was received at Sun, 20 May 2001 13:40:29 -0600 (MDT) from doctor@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- blakes7(a)list.lysator.liu.se (reason: 550 Host unknown) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 5.1.2 blakes7(a)list.lysator.liu.se... Host unknown (Name server: list.lysator.liu.se: host not found) Reporting-MTA: dns; doctor.nl2k.ab.ca Arrival-Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; blakes7(a)list.lysator.liu.se Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; list.lysator.liu.se Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Host unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:40:40 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:40:29 -0600 From: The Doctor <doctor(a)doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> To: blakes7(a)list.lysator.liu.se Subject: Spin Off Lists User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Can someone post the spinoff mailing lists here and how to subscribe to them? AdTHANKSvance. -- God Queen and Country Member - Liberal International Never Satan President and Republic This is doctor(a)nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor(a)nl2k.ab.ca Society MUST be saved! Republics must dissolve. .mu is for Mauritius NOT for worldwide Music; Mauritius rise up againgt the invasion. .mu c'est L'ile Maurice PAS Musique Internationale; Mauriciens dit non a l'invasion! ----- End forwarded message ----- -- God Queen and Country Member - Liberal International Never Satan President and Republic This is doctor(a)nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor(a)nl2k.ab.ca Society MUST be saved! Republics must dissolve. .mu is for Mauritius NOT for worldwide Music; Mauritius rise up againgt the invasion. .mu c'est L'ile Maurice PAS Musique Internationale; Mauriciens dit non a l'invasion!

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Re: Federation political hierarchies & comparisons
by Steve Rogerson 20 May '01

20 May '01

Tavia said: "the Deputy Leader of the party currently in government punched a demonstrator in the face a few days back, and the demonstrator ended up being questioned by the police" The demonstrator in question was a 29 year strapping farm labourer who threw an egg at the deupty leader (a 62 year old man) at point blank range. The Labour Party deputy leader (John Prescott) instictively turned round and punched him. The farm labourer then shoved his 62 year old opponent on to a wall and looked about to hit him before securiy people grabbed him. The police arrested the right person. Meanwhile, I've been leafleting for the Socilaist Alliance. I think Blake would have approved. Servalan was more the Margret Thatcher type in her day. The Conservative Party of which Thatcher was part has a wimp in charge these days and looks a mess. Think Vila, Jenna and Gan would probably vote Labour, Avon might be Conservative if he bothered to vote. Cally would vote for the Green Party, though I'm not sure they're running this time (not heard anything from them). Don't know about Dayna and Soolin. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] the B7 production process and apologies
by Sally Manton 20 May '01

20 May '01

Alison wrote: <The artistic aspect of the TV production process is something I'm really very interested in <snip> I don't want to fight. I want to find out new opinions. But I think, on seeing how things have developed since, that this was just the wrong time and place, and I'll discuss this topic on other lists only.> I'd be interested in this as well. I've been reading Leslie's posts with interest; as a character junkie I seldom get past the actors and writers (hey, I'm probably the only person who can say I *never* noticed the Liberator walls wabble!) but like to be reminded sometimes that there is more to it all. Thanks, however, for the concern that led to this post. Maybe we should keep it in mind for another, cooler time? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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RE: [B7L] Look between the trees...there she is!
by Jenny Kaye 20 May '01

20 May '01

Louise Rutter wrote: > > > >Jenny Kaye wrote: > > > > >Getting a bit rough is it? > > > >And the laughs just keep coming!!!!!! I always try to entertain as well as educate, you know that. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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