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Re: [B7L] Avon worship
by Jenny Kaye 20 May '01

20 May '01

SLASHER "Dana Shilling" wrote > >Jacqui said: > > > I suppose Avon is the most ambiguous character (and how many Richard III > >fans 'go' for Avon as a preference?) > >I guess in this case "was ever woman in this humor wooed? was ever woman in this humor won"? the answer is "yes." Smart aren't you Dana. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: When "Animals" camouflage and other Stuff
by Jenny Kaye 20 May '01

20 May '01

SLASHER Rita d' Orac wrote: > >Subject: [B7L] Re: When "Animals" camouflage and other Stuff > > > > > >jennycat55(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > > >{huuuge snip} She has made this "huuuge snip" because she doen't want to discuss most of the issues I have brought up. > > > Everyone on Freedom > > > City is by definition a slasher, but on this lyst there are people who > >are > > > not. It's those people that are > > > my concern, the ones you are after. It's petty, it's small minded, but I > > > suppose it's power of some kind. > >{snipped rest of message} > > > >Actually no - I'm not a slasher, but I am a member of Freedom City. Then by definition you are a SLASHER. > >If I see something on that list that I don't want to read, I don't read it. Freedom City is a SLASHER lyst. > > Apart from a few misdirected email's that weren't meant for the > >> list, I don't recall having come across any posts that attacked > >> >> individuals viewpoints the way I've seen them attacked here - such > >> behaviour is not tolerated by the list's administrator. That is true. Debate on Freedom City is stifled. That "misdirected email" comment though is interesting. On the surface it seems Freedom City has a relaxed atmosphere, but behind people's backs they are all sniping at each other. See? > > What I have enjoyed on that list is reading the many > >different opinions of people on several aspects of B7 that I might > >> not otherwise have had an opportunity to listen to or discuss (I am > >mostly an active lurker). She is now stating that there is debate on Freedom City which contradicts what she has previously stated. I > >suggest that you try being a member of that list before you knock it. Even I wouldn't want to spend too much time on Freedom City. The programming techniques being used there are extremely powerful. > >There are several issues that I agree with you and Fiona/Shane/Whoever on, Smart. You can see that what Fiona (an anthropologist) Shane (a gay male) and I (???) are saying, come down basically to the same thing, SLASH is a dangerous conditioning device. > >most > >of which I have debated offlist Why offlyst? Also, this person has never contacted *me* offlyst. > > at some time or another with several of my B7 friends (and that > >> >includes my B7 friends who are "slashers") They are all SLASHERS. - nobody could > >accuse me of being less than seriously opinionated on some of these topics! I agree there. > >But our debating remains reasonably civilised because we respect the fact that we are all B7 fans. These debates never took place. > >Despite broadly agreeing with your views on some of the issues you have raised, Notice she doesn't specify which views she broadly agrees with. Another conditioning device. > >I do not condone some of the tactics Here's another old favourite. Attack the posting style, avoid the issues. > >you/Fiona/Shane/Whoever Now look here. There is a subtle difference. She is trying to suggest now that Fiona, Shane and myself and "whoever" else may be saying the same thing are all the same person. This equates to basically saying that this view is being held by only one person. Wrong. > >have used in raising these issues and then responding to the view > >of others on this list without allowing for any proper debate of these > >important issues. She is agreeing that they are important issues. However what she is saying is that my posting style is preventing the SLASHERS from dealing with and stifling what it is I am saying here. However also note that this letter is a very sophisticated programming device. They've upped the ante. > >Neither can I condone in any way the actions you/Fiona/Shane/Whoever have taken or > >incited > >others to take against Annie's website. It is wrong. Again look what she is saying. Shane left this lyst six weeks ago but now she is saying that he has attacked Annie's evil website. I think Fiona's attack on Evil Annie's website was wrongheaded, but it was not done through malice, it was done through desperation. Fiona is an anthropologist. Secrecy surrounds SLASH because they don't want it debated. They say people who attack SLASH are homophobic, but Shane was gay. He described **SLASH** as **homophobic**. It is. > >Please don't assume that you speak for all non slash fans, Jenny - Interesting that you use my name here. > >you don't speak for me. No I don't, you are a SLASHER. Also note what she is now saying, earlier she said that she broadly agreed with what I was saying, now she says that she doesn't. > >Please don't presume to tell me whether or not it is "safe" > >for>me to be a member of this or the Freedom City list - that decision is mine YOU ARE A SLASHER > >to > >make and I choose to stay on both lists. YOU ARE A SLASHER. Why do you think this person is attacking me? Why not just ignore me or Killfile me? I'll tell you why. She is trying to discredit what I am saying. They don't what you to listen. This person is a PROGRAMMER. PLEASE LEAVE THIS LYST AT ONCE. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Freedom City (was Re: When "Animals" camouflage)
by Jenny Kaye 20 May '01

20 May '01

SLASHER Iain Coleman writes: >Subject: Re: [B7L] Freedom City (was Re: When "Animals" camouflage) >Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 00:16:42 +0100 (BST) > > > >On Sat, 19 May 2001 SLASHER TIGER M wrote: > > > This is incorrect. > > > We are a slash-friendly list, TRANSLATION: "We are a SLASH lyst." > >but not exclusive. TRANSLATION: "We are looking for more recruits." > >Not everyone on FC is a slash fan, or even into erotica. Then why are they on a SLASH lyst? > >Many list members > >just like the relaxed atmosphere there, TRANSLATION: "We stifle debate." > > and my only stipulation is that they > >be tolerant of their fellow list members who do like slash and het erotica > >and that they follow the rules. TRANSLATION: "We stifle debate." > >Just to demonstrate that this position is not purely theoretical, I can > >testify that I am one such FC member. TRANSLATION: "I am pretending I am not a SLASHER, but I am really." Beware of wolves in sheeps clothing. When animal camouflage breaks down we find the ones we missed. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] B7L] Re: Orbit
by Jenny Kaye 20 May '01

20 May '01

SLASHER Mistral wrote: SLASHER "Ellynne G." wrote: > > > > > > While I have serious doubts about Vila sacrificing himself for Avon, say he did. What I wonder is what it would be like for Avon if Vila _had_ . He would have had a moments pause for thought, and then he would have got on with the rest of his life. > > > What would it be like for him to realise he'd been trying to murder someone at the same time that person had been deciding to save his life at the expense of their own? He would have given it a moments thought, shrugged and then got on with the rest of his life. > >Angst, of course. BOLLOCKS And in this case, I think it would have been worse BOLLOCKS. Avon is a psychopath. > >than if it had been Blake sacrificing himself, because Blake might have done it for any of them. If Blake has sacrificed his life for Avon then that would have had an effect. Blake to some extent has taken the role of Avon's dead brother. For Vila to do it would be so much more > >unexpected. I'm not in the Mad Avon camp, You're a SLASHER. but I think Orbit was the > >closest that he came prior to series end. BOLLOCKS. A voluntary sacrifice by Vila > >might well have pushed him over the edge, simply because he might find > >it incomprehensible. BOLLOCKS. THIS LYST IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. PLEASE LEAVE IT NOW. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Fans everywhere again
by Jenny Kaye 20 May '01

20 May '01

SLASHER Pherber says > >LOL - well done! > > > > > Has anyone else ever borrowed the devastating wit of > > > the B7 scriptwriters and editor to good effect? > > > >I seem to use "What shall I do with the other hand?" a lot. How about: "Lysator. Victim of the SLASHER'S pacification and control programme. The drug is still Pylene 50 but the concentration has been stepped up however" THIS LYST IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS PLEASE LEAVE NOW. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: Orbit
by Jenny Kaye 20 May '01

20 May '01

AFTERNOON ALL. THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM JENNY. Hello all. Jenny is back to face the rather predictable SLASHER counterattack. As I have said before the Slashers are for the most part highly intelligent. And like any wolf they are adaptable. ST:NG's Borg are wolves. Remember when they get shot? At first a few go down, but then they adapt to a new frequency, and they can resist again. That's what's happening here today. There are over twenty emails in my box this morning, and they are all from SLASHERS. A lot of them I have tagged, but there will be a few new ones uncloaking for the first time. There'll be one or two surprises in who they are, but subtle clues will have been given before. Also you'll notice that they are starting to imitate my style. This means 1/ Some of them have always understood close text analysis 2/ Some of them have learned from observing me how to do close text analysis. This however will only go on for a short while. Once they have secured the ground again, the IMO's and "leather trousers" will start to appear. Slashers can be broken down into two categories. These are: THE PROGRAMMERS: These come in two forms. 1/ THE CONSCIOUS PROGRAMMER. These people are highly intelligent and know what they are doing. 2/ THE UNCONSCIOUS PROGRAMMER: these people will be of varying intelligence and will be working on a subconscious level. Then we have the: PROGRAMMED: these are the people who have succumbed to the PROGRAMMERS, some willingly, some unwillingly. In the end the PROGRAMMED will become PROGRAMMERS themselves. And so the cycle will continue. The more SLASHERS there are the stronger the social conditioning. SLASHER Nina Pherber wrote: SLASHER Sally Manton wrote > > > I think Blake would try to leave, and Avon - his *protective* instinct > > > kicking in - would try and stop him. Interesting that the word *protective* has been highlighted, but not explained. This is another conditioning technique. A sentence which seems straightforward but is in fact ambiguous. If someone takes the sentence at face value, "Avon has a regard for Blake" (which is true), then it is lodged into your head that this sentence is correct. However, this is a trap because in a few days time that sentence is going to mean something else. It's going to mean that Avon has homoerotic feelings for Blake (which is false). One of the keys to Avon's character is his idealised dead brother. It's these feelings that Avon has mapped onto Blake. They are not *erotic* feelings. > >That seems the most likely scenario to me -- maybe they would come to their > >senses and figure out the weight problem *logically* for a change! Blake > >*is* supposed to be an engineer, after all. It is never stated in the show that Blake is an engineer. Please note that the word *logically* has been highlighted. This is to suggest to you that what Nina is saying to you is logical. In a week or so Nina will be turning logic on its head, but you won't even notice. THIS LYST IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS PLEASE LEAVE NOW. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTACT ME OFF LYST THEN DO SO, BUT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU LEAVE NOW. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Orbit
by Steve Rogerson 20 May '01

20 May '01

Ellynne asked: "While I have serious doubts about Vila sacrificing himself for Avon, say he did. What I wonder is what it would be like for Avon if Vila _had_ . What would it be like for him to realize he'd been trying to murder someone at the same time that person had been deciding to save his life at the expense of their own?" I think Avon was too far gone by this stage. He's lost the plot, and therefore I don't think it would affect him that much. At best, he might have been amused by it, and maybe there's be a little regret, but not much. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: Lindor wildlife
by Steve Rogerson 20 May '01

20 May '01

Sally said: "Now trying to imagine what sort of species also wears four-inch heels while climbing" Got an image in my mind of a squirrel in ballroom dress, with heels and a cocktail in one hand, climbing a tree. Maybe Annie could draw one in her cartoon series. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5 http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] B7L] Re: Orbit
by Sally Manton 20 May '01

20 May '01

Ellynne wrote: <While I have serious doubts about Vila sacrificing himself for Avon, say he did. What I wonder is what it would be like for Avon if Vila _had_ . What would it be like for him to realize he'd been trying to murder someone at the same time that person had been deciding to save his life at the expense of their own?> Ooooo, now this I'll have to think about (and I thought I'd seen every alternative to 'Orbit" going, this is definitely a new one). As a complete 180 degree twist on what the Anna Grant story, it would be fascinating ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: When "Animals" camouflage and other Stuff
by Rita d' Orac 20 May '01

20 May '01

jennycat55(a)hotmail.com wrote: {huuuge snip} > Everyone on Freedom > City is by definition a slasher, but on this lyst there are people who are > not. It's those people that are > my concern, the ones you are after. It's petty, it's small minded, but I > suppose it's power of some kind. {snipped rest of message} Actually no - I'm not a slasher, but I am a member of Freedom City. If I see something on that list that I don't want to read, I don't read it. Apart from a few misdirected email's that weren't meant for the list, I don't recall having come across any posts that attacked individuals viewpoints the way I've seen them attacked here - such behaviour is not tolerated by the list's administrator. What I have enjoyed on that list is reading the many different opinions of people on several aspects of B7 that I might not otherwise have had an opportunity to listen to or discuss (I am mostly an active lurker). I suggest that you try being a member of that list before you knock it. There are several issues that I agree with you and Fiona/Shane/Whoever on, most of which I have debated offlist at some time or another with several of my B7 friends (and that includes my B7 friends who are "slashers") - nobody could accuse me of being less than seriously opinionated on some of these topics! But our debating remains reasonably civilised because we respect the fact that we are all B7 fans. Despite broadly agreeing with your views on some of the issues you have raised, I do not condone some of the tactics you/Fiona/Shane/Whoever have used in raising these issues and then responding to the view of others on this list without allowing for any proper debate of these important issues. Neither can I condone in any way the actions you/Fiona/Shane/Whoever have taken or incited others to take against Annie's website. It is wrong. Please don't assume that you speak for all non slash fans, Jenny - you don't speak for me. Please don't presume to tell me whether or not it is "safe" for me to be a member of this or the Freedom City list - that decision is mine to make and I choose to stay on both lists. ===== rita d'orac "If you think of this mouse as a space captain..." http://www.vilaworld.com ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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