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Re: [B7L] Those pesky...
by Sally Manton 19 May '01

19 May '01

<slashers! Frightening Vila like that!> <gurgle> alas, poor Vila ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Appearance for Judgment.
by seven＠gaudaprime.com 19 May '01

19 May '01

Jenny, you may as well categorise me too. Which am I: Wolf or Sheep or other? (Please don't say 'Cow' for I am an ex-Dairy Farmer). You and Shane have raised the following points: Fan-Fiction is either out of control or under the control of the wrong people; unFreedom sometimes poses as Freedom, or evil is really imprisonment in its myriad forms; and some posters are really the same person using more than one internet alias, you are intent on exposing the 'camouflage'. In addition to these points the issues of Leylan's niceness or otherwise, and of Gan's niceness or otherwise have been raised. Do I understand these matters correctly? DC, who appears for judgment but will remain onlyst for now

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Re: [B7L] In the interests of the list...
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 19 May '01

19 May '01

...exactly as I did earlier this year with an earlier persona, I am deleting any further posts under the name JennyCat without opening them or responding. When the individual doesn't get the desired reaction, expect them to leave and return again under a new name or two with the same compulsion. Leah

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Re: [B7L] Re: [B7L]Back on topic, methinks? (was warning, camoflague etc)
by Ashton7＠aol.com 19 May '01

19 May '01

In a message dated 5/18/01 8:40:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, julia.lysator(a)jajones.demon.co.uk writes: << >For the Avon fans - I know there's a few of us around - just what *is* it about >him that you find makes him that much more interesting? (And no fair pointing to >the leather :-)) Scientist as (anti)hero. >> I always liked Vila best. I didn't care for Avon much the first few episodes I watched. I didn't understand why so many folks thought he was "sexy." Then he smiled. And I thought "oh, my." I also usually like characters with an "edge." I like Methos in Highlander and Avon in Blakes 7. But Vila always remained my absolute favorite. Annie

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Re: [B7L] Had to come out eventually ...(as: A word of warning)
by Sally Manton 19 May '01

19 May '01

Leah wrote: <Jenny seems to be direly warning us that anyone who sympathizes with what is being done to Annie *must* actually be Annie herself, in disguise.> I confess!!! I confess!!! I'm not Sally at all. I'm actually *Neil's* subconscious who sneaks out when he's asleep to spread sentiment and smilies all over the Lyst ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 19 May '01

19 May '01

This is an analysis from Jenny. Annie Wortham > >This lyst has been a place of many pleasant experiences. This is soft soap. Some years back, > >the enthusiasm and camaraderie of lysator revived my enthusiasm for B7. She hates Blake's 7. Here's the background: During the mid to late 1980's she ran a series of B7 conventions in Chicago, her partner was Leah Rosenthal. She ruled those events with a rod of iron. Then she fell out with Terry Nation. The event effectively destroyed B7 fandom in America and the shock waves from that event are still being felt today. > >in fact, many years ago, lysator was the very first internet mailing list I > >ever belonged to. I learned about etiquette here and many other fun and > >interesting things. Lysator was set up in 1992. Not long after Annie and Leah lost power. > >Over the many years I've been a member, the discussions have ranged from > >friendly to heated and everything in between. We've disagreed, there have been > >conflicts, but it all seemed to be within the context of our views of a tv > >show. Very interesting that statement. Especially given the hate posts last month. How much of that was actually about a TV show at all? Annie and Leah have tried, and for the most part, been successful in distorting the show completely out of context. There are many reasons why they've been doing this, I'll tell you the most important one. Because they can. > >It's because I cherish the lyst that I was reluctant to report that lack of > >civility on the lyst now extends beyond its confines. This Lyst is another instrument of their power. Dangerous. It's also because I > >cherish the lyst that I feel I have to share this distressing situation. Soft soap. > >Because the next target may be you. She's personalising the argument now. She's saying that she is an innocent person who has been unfairly attacked. She isn't, she wasn't. Look at what she has done in the past. She's tried this innocent act before. And when she's prodded, she turns into a snarling wolf. > >Over the last few weeks, I have suddenly begun receiving massive amounts of > >pornographic emails, not just on my main account, but on every single > >account where I have website space. Pornographic. This is interesting because the Ashton Press website is all about pornography. It uses actors likenesses without their permission. It takes scenes from the programme, give them a "slashy twist" and then reinterprets those scenes back into their brand of homophobic slash fiction. You know the sort of thing. Take a scene from the Web. Add sex. Now change a detail or two-- make it Tarrant not Blake, the flight deck not the hold. What you have then is something which resembles the show, but differs from it in one important detail. So back and forth, from fanfic to TV show, until eventually they become indistinguishable, and the slash interpretation reigns supreme. Clever isn't it? It's called brainwashing. These accounts are never used for email > >and I have NEVER, in years on the internet, received spam at any of those > >addresses. A lot of this is exaggeration, but still so what? I also have received a pornographic message in my guest book at > >my main website for the first time ever. So what? Why should pornography offend you? You revel in it. You write it. You have defended it very vocally onlyst. Hardcore porn is something you are very familiar with. Instead of complaining why don't you just print it all up for the next Ashton Press publication. It's probably better written anyway. > >Yesterday, while attempting to find the source of this Internet Vandalism, > >I discovered a newsgroup post that called for an "attack" on my website. Do you know what this so-called internet vandal site is? It's a comedy group. Well-known in the international press for its parodies. Basically the group found what you were all about and took the piss, that's all. What you and Leah are doing is a million times more harmful than a few joke emails. What you are perpetuating here a sickness. > >Please read the entire newsgroup thread at: I've snipped this for obvious reasons, but if you do want a look, then check out Annie's original email. > >If you will click on the website link of the person posting the disturbing > >messages, Disturbing? What you've been doing *is* disturbing. You are messing with people's perceptions. Where do you think the IMO's came from? You have also been feeding off the unrequited love of innocent people. People on here are being used in a revolting way. > >I think many of you will be saddened and surprised to find a rather > >prolific member of this Lyst as the perpetrator. For the entire time Fiona was on here she was indirectly fighting you and Leah, and you know it. I don't know what to make of this > >behaviour. That's a lie. You know exactly what to make of it. You make capital from it. You use it for the sympathy vote. But why? Because of me, that's why. You thought I was Fiona didn't you? You're wrong. Fiona is an innocent. > > I'm still coming to terms with it. LOL. You are a pornographer. What is there to come to terms with? Nothing. Now if Leah had written this post, that slip wouldn't have been made. Leah is highly intelligent, but then her type often are. Power mad of course. > >Until it happened, I wouldn't > >have expected a fan to do this to another fan. You are a liar Annie. That has been proved over and over again. Terry Nation called you a liar. Some of the actors from the series have called you a liar. We saw you in action just over a month ago, making personal attacks on people by twisting their emails out of shape to win your petty little ego wars. You're not interested in discussion, only in putting forward your own point of view. Any one remember Annie telling everyone that the Wall Street Journal had printed an article saying Lycos was going bankrupt, and was deleting all its free sites? And not long after that we learned that there had been no such article, and that the deleting was due to a glitch? Shane was right. You *are* insane. > >The barrage of pornographic Spam has forced me to block all email for most > >of my addresses and block the relevant domains/email addresses for my main > >account. Barrage? This is quite clearly bollocks. How can an attack on a single website lead to every single one of Annie's e-mail addresses becoming non-functional? For that matter, where is she e-mailing from now? If anyone else has been the victim of similar attacks and would > >like information on ways to deal with it, please contact me privately and I'll > >explain the steps I've taken. I find that a very sinister thing to say. If this hasn't happened to Annie before then where is she getting her info from? Unless she's conducted similar things against other people in the past. If you use poison, then you should also know the antidote. > >So, a word of warning. That's true. As someone recently said, disagreement *is* > >dangerous on > >this list. Now that is the most telling at all. What she is saying here is that "disagreement is bad". That basically sums up the whole Ashton Press attitude. Don't disagree with Ashton Press, or they'll hate you for it. Oh, and by the way, Annie and Leah are on Lysator and Freedom City not just under their own names, but under various aliases. This is why they're so obsessed with other people using aliases. Some of their aliases have been emailing me offlyst. Trying to find out what I'm about. Isn't that right Leah? I can recognise a wolf when I see one. These people are extremely dangerous. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Blakes7 digest,
by David and/or Lesley McIntee 19 May '01

19 May '01

Oh fuck this. What used to be a B7 mailing list has become some kind of MEOWer pit full of baffling squabbles taking up shitloads of bandwith (half a dozen digests a day? It was never like this on the old listserver) I'm out of here- why waste time with the endless incomprehensible flames when I could be doing something more interesting like listening to John Major read the Tory manifesto translated into Ancient Greek. (Christ, remember the days when Calle would smack you down for an e-snowball? Where's the moderation?) DM

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Re: [B7L] killfiles
by Jenny Kaye 19 May '01

19 May '01

padme(a)bantha.org wrote: >If anyone who is on a Unix shell account would like a tutorial on >procmail filters / killfiles I'm glad to oblige. E-mail me privately. This is also a strategy. They're all running around pretending that nothing's wrong and that if you ignore the nastiness it'll go away. But guess what? It won't. And the people who are doing this are the slashers I've tagged. Check back and see. I'm telling you, leave now. There's no way you can get rid of them. If you killfile them they'll just come back under another identity. I will not be doing any more episode reviews ever again on this lyst. If you'd like to do this, e-mail me offlyst. This is an extremely dangerous place. When animal camouflage breaks down. All hell breaks loose. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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killfiles
by padme＠bantha.org 18 May '01

18 May '01

If anyone who is on a Unix shell account would like a tutorial on procmail filters / killfiles I'm glad to oblige. E-mail me privately. Claudia

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Psychopaths
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

Here's a word for you: Psychopath. Defined by the New English Dictionary as: a person suffering from a mental disorder that results in antisocial behaviour and lack of guilt. Blake's 7 is full of them. Gan, Leylan, Raiker and of course Avon. They are all classic psychopaths. Here are some of the attributes to look out for; 1/ High intelligence. 2/ A calm, or mannered exterior 3/ If they are frustrated they will fly into a huge rage. 4/ They will often live alone 5/ They will have one way of looking at the world, and if that model is in any way attacked they will hate you forever. 6/ They have no concept of good and evil. 7/ They are obsessed with having control over other people. There are a large number of psychopaths at work on this lyst. Birds of a feather flock together. It is the character of Avon who is drawing them. Some of them have an extensive knowledge of psychological techniques of mind control. These people are extremely dangerous. This is not a joke. If you are a genuine B7 fan then leave this lyst immediately. Set up your own, if you like, but be wary. However you must leave here. Go now. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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