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Re: [B7L] Re: A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

Tavia wrote: >Steve R asked: > >Jenny has said to a number of posts: "When animal camouflage breaks > >down..." ... What exactly do you mean by this? > >Actually I think that what Jenny is implying is reasonably clear: that >there is a conspiracy on the Lyst in favour of certain interpretations of >Blake's 7, and that anyone who supports Annie in this current trauma is a >party to the conspiracy. > >Am I right, Jenny? Birds of a feather flock together, isn't that right Tavia? When animal camouflage breaks down. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] the B7 production process
by Leslie Clifford 18 May '01

18 May '01

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Alison Page wrote: > >steve said - > > >> the production process involves change, however small > > > >I asked a friend to put this question to Chris Boucher (not in connection > >with the current stupid argument going on) and here is the summary of the > >answer > > > >'he puts in basic > >action (e.g. character enters) but generally leaves the structuring of > >shots > >and > >the detail of movement on set / filming to the director. Yes, Boucher's description is I'd say pretty true. If you look at any real TV shooting scripts you will see that there may be some suggestions from the writer of how a shot should be done or what model footage to use, but not many. Let's say Boucher has just finished writing a first draft script. He would then go through it with the director and the producer. The producer may say, "in this scene instead of having a large room, can we have a medium sized room? And instead of having Avon fighting with twenty guards, can we just have five?" The director at one point may say, "No we can do the big room, I'll use CSO. Or, instead of Avon fighting 5 guards we can just do it off screen with sound effects." Then Boucher will go off and make amendments and the director will go off and sort out the casting and book the studios, and the producer will go off and ensure the right budgets are allocated and so forth. He might suggest > >some > >shots, e.g. the weird bit in 'Shadow' with Cally he specified in the script > >after learning in a conversation with the visual effects guy that it was > >possible to do it), but a substantial amount would be down to the director' That having been said, the writer's role is not to be sneezed at either. The 'substantial amount' here means camera angles, set lighting, talk with the special effects boys, sorting out the location filming. But in the end, if you sit down with a camera script and follow an episode, I have to admit that story-wise you will notice very little difference between what you are reading and what you are seeing on the screen. An actor might transpose a line, or mess up a word (some productions more than others...). He might get shot with a shotgun not a clipgun or a hair curler. But in the end, the character's just as dead as he was in the script. Leslie Clifford

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Tavia 18 May '01

18 May '01

Ellynne wrote: >The sadder thing is that someone we know and care about is the victim. Actually the greatest sadness seems to be someone we know, like and respect is the *perpetrator*. Annie, you have my sympathy also. There's no possible justification for such abuse. Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Truth
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

"Neil Faulkner" wrote: > >From: Jenny Kaye > > > > > Free choice can only exist if the people are aware of the alternatives. > > > >Between what and what? Between good and evil. > > > You are aware of the alternatives, > > > >I am? I think deep down you are. You are too intelligent not to know. And you have a great sense of humour and an eye for the absurd. > > > you have made your choice. > > > >I have? > > > >Perhaps you'd care to tell me what I've chosen. No good deed goes unpunished. > > > Other people aren't so lucky. Give me a chance to give them a chance. > >They deserve that at least. Please. > > > >What a noble little crusader you are. Crusade: Defined in the New English Dictionary as: "A vigorous concerted action for the defence of a cause, or the advancement of an idea." We're all crusaders Neil. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > >How disappointing. That's true. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

Bizarro wrote: > ><< Steve R asked: > > >Jenny has said to a number of posts: "When animal camouflage breaks > > >down..." ... What exactly do you mean by this? > > > > Actually I think that what Jenny is implying is reasonably clear: that > > there is a conspiracy on the Lyst in favour of certain interpretations of > > Blake's 7, and that anyone who supports Annie in this current trauma is a > > party to the conspiracy. > > > > Am I right, Jenny? >> > > > >Actually Tavia, by certain other cryptic comments, Jenny seems to be direly > >warning us that anyone who sympathizes with what is being done to Annie > >*must* actually be Annie herself, in disguise. LOL. Very clever Leah. Another twist of the truth. So far by my count, that > >would > >mean that a large percentage of people who have been on this list for years > >are all actually Annie. That obviously isn't true. But having said that, power makes its own rules. > >Somewhere awhile back, Yes, a long time ago. this passed from B7 to the Twilight Zone. I know, > >because I'm hearing the music. Yes, you did. You were playing it. When animal camouflage breaks down the hunter becomes the hunted. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: A word of warning
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

Iain Coleman wrote: > >On Fri, 18 May 2001 Bizarro wrote: > > > > > Somewhere awhile back, this passed from B7 to the Twilight Zone. I know, > > > because I'm hearing the music. > > > >Naaah, Philip K Dick, surely. 'The Three Stigmata of Annie Wortham'. That's a very perceptive comment Iain. Those of you who've read the book "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch" will know what it's about, and will also know what Palmer Eldritch was. Some of you may even know about the hallucination Dick based the novel on, and why Dick said about it "I am afraid of that book; it deals with absolute evil." Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] When "Animals" Camouflage...
by Jenny Kaye 18 May '01

18 May '01

Ashton7(a)aol.com: > >breaks down... > > > >http://members.aol.com/ashton7/animals.jpg > > > >Annie Smart aren't you. But your friend is smarter. Jenny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Re: A word of warning
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 18 May '01

18 May '01

In a message dated 5/18/01 4:42:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tavia(a)btinternet.com writes: << Steve R asked: >Jenny has said to a number of posts: "When animal camouflage breaks >down..." ... What exactly do you mean by this? Actually I think that what Jenny is implying is reasonably clear: that there is a conspiracy on the Lyst in favour of certain interpretations of Blake's 7, and that anyone who supports Annie in this current trauma is a party to the conspiracy. Am I right, Jenny? >> Actually Tavia, by certain other cryptic comments, Jenny seems to be direly warning us that anyone who sympathizes with what is being done to Annie *must* actually be Annie herself, in disguise. So far by my count, that would mean that a large percentage of people who have been on this list for years are all actually Annie. Somewhere awhile back, this passed from B7 to the Twilight Zone. I know, because I'm hearing the music.

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A word of warning
by Ashton7＠aol.com 18 May '01

18 May '01

This lyst has been a place of many pleasant experiences. Some years back, the enthusiasm and camaraderie of lysator revived my enthusiasm for B7. In fact, many years ago, lysator was the very first internet mailing list I ever belonged to. I learned about netiquette here and many other fun and interesting things. Over the many years I've been a member, the discussions have ranged from friendly to heated and everything in between. We've disagreed, there have been conflicts, but it all seemed to be within the context of our views of a tv show. It's because I cherish the lyst that I was reluctant to report that lack of civility on the lyst now extends beyond its confines. It's also because I cherish the lyst that I feel I have to share this distressing situation. Because the next target may be you. Over the last few weeks, I have suddenly begun receiving massive amounts of pornographic emails, not just on my main account, but on every single account where I have website space. These accounts are never used for email and I have NEVER, in years on the internet, received spam at any of those addresses. I also have received a pornographic message in my guest book at my main website for the first time ever. Yesterday, while attempting to find the source of this Internet Vandalism, I discovered a newsgroup post that called for an "attack" on my website. Please read the entire newsgroup thread at: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=fa268efd0c2bc972… seekm=9d4emm%249k1%241%40slb7.atl.mindspring.net#p If you will click on the website link of the person posting the disturbing messages, I think many of you will be saddened and surprised to find a rather prolific member of this Lyst as the perpetrator. I don't know what to make of this behavior. I'm still coming to terms with it. Until it happened, I wouldn't have expected a fan to do this to another fan. The barrage of pornographic spam has forced me to block all email for most of my addresses and block the relevant domains/email addresses for my main account. If anyone else has been the victim of similar attacks and would like information on ways to deal with it, please contact me privately and I'll explain the steps I've taken. So, a word of warning. As someone recently said, disagreement *is* dangerous on this list. Annie

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