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Does Avon love Anna?
by Andrew Williams 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Cheryl wrote: Point one: >Anna Grant is also Bartolomew; one of central >security's best agents. She would not be known to >many, but somewhere in the upper echelon's of the >federation there would be a dossier on her and >Servalan certainly knew who she was, yet she said she >ran to her husband - I don't think she would have been >allowed to run anywhere if she had actually conspired >with Avon as he believed she did. She tells Avon that she ran to her husband, which doesn't mean it is true. She can't tell him that she was spying on him and then went back to headquarters for debriefing, so she says she went somewhere else. Being on the side of the authorities means she has no need to run, so it is probably a lie. The idea of her 'husband' was probably a convenient cover to her activities - why she couldn't move in with him, why he couldn't come to her place, why he couldn't see her all the time. >A change of name >certainly would not protect her, therefore; I propose >that she possibly was part of his actual downfall in >the federation banking scam and was actually later >reassigned - in case her cover had been blown by >Avon. After Avon was arrested, there was no more case, so she would have been reassigned anyway. Since Avon knew Del Grant, it is reasonably to assume Anna Grant was her real name. On this assignment she could not use an alias because the target knew her real identity. However, after the case ended it would be important to kill off the Anna Grant identity (both Avon & Del Grant believed she had died) & establish a new one (eg, Sula). >She then turns and faces him and says to him: >"Avon"(she then rushes over to him with arms >outstretched) "Avon! Oh! I was afraid they'd kill you. >I heard there was someone with Blake, but I didn't >know for sure, and I didn't dare let myself hope." > >This doesn't ring true at all - every man and his dog >knows about Roj Blake, the Liberator and his crew, so >we can be pretty sure that Councillor Chesku and his >wife would know the names of the infamous Liberator >crew. In some parts of the series it is stated that the stories about Blake & co are suppressed whenever possible. Fair enough that Hal Mellanby knew about them, but he was outside the system and not subject to the suppression. If Anna was still with Central Security after the operation, she would know that Avon had escaped, but this would be knowledge that the "non-CS Anna" would not have. The information may have been available to Councillors, but if it was a grey area she may have decided it was safer to pretend that she definitely knew nothing, rather than arouse Avon's suspicions. >I think in her own way Anna had feelings for Avon, >which is why she gave him leverage that she denied >Chesku but as for love in the same sense that I >believe Avon had for her...I would say, no. I wonder what made her give up being a Central Security agent and advise a group of revolutionaries? >Cheryl. >(My favourite 'Blake's 7' moment) > What a fiasco! We could take over the ship you said, > if I did my bit. Well, I did my bit, and what > happened? Your 'troops' bumble around looking for > someone to surrender to, and when they've succeeded, > You, follow suit! (Avon to Blake. "Spacefall") Personally, I love Blake's "Indulge me" in the last episode - the voice; the expression; the one bulging eye - utterly brilliant.

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Re: [B7L] Recent slash discussions etc
by J MacQueen 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

>From: Cheryl _ <avonsgirl(a)yahoo.com.au> >of the tiny minority - if even one child, >gains an incorrect impression of human behaviour >through this sort of material, I admit I read only to this point, but it's triggered a question. What is an incorrect impression of human behaviour, in this case? I admit I'm still stuck with a hefty degree of naivety in certain aspects of human nature, but I think what you really mean is behaviour out on the extreme (or maybe not quite so extreme) edges of the spectrum of behaviour (don't go mentioning medians and suchlike, because I may switch off and miss a pertinent point); and the fear that a child might believe it is more to the centre of the spectrum, because that is the impression it gained through reading "this sort of material". This sounds rather like the violence on television debate, and is a deeply rutted path that doesn't seem to lead to an answer. Instead, it goes around in a circle, and I'm just a bit sick of setting off along a promising path, only to find that I'm back at the beginning again. So, if you don't mind, I'll just sit here for a little and try to find my bearings. Or wait for a penguin that knows where its going. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Theatre Review: The Taming of the Shrew
by Julia Jones 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

(I think this originally got sent to the wrong address. Apologies for the recent hiccups in my posting, Calle, shifting around every few days is playing merry hell with my email setup as I'm taking my files around on a Zip disk, not a laptop.) This doesn't have any direct connection with B7, but I'm posting this here rather than on the spin list because it might be interesting in light of the debate over Ben Steed's scripts. The Taming of the Shrew Royal Exchange Theatre, Manchester 9 March 2001 This made an interesting change. Usually it's go to the theatre with other Lystians, and hit the local museums as well. This time it was go to the museum, followed by Harriet deciding to show me the Royal Exchange while we were in the neighbourhood. It turned out that they were doing Shrew. Five minutes' discussion later, we bought tickets for the evening performance... Again, it was a Shakespeare I'd never seen, although I'd certainly heard about its reputation. Misogynist or feminist? I'm still none the wiser. You could play that infamous final scene a multitude of ways. And then there's the tricky problem of the context of the play - it would have been seen differently at the time it was written. The Royal Exchange Theatre is a theatre in the round, and a small, intimate one at that. One of the ones where it can be dangerous to sit in the front row, one can find oneself enlisted as an extra:-) We weren't sitting on the front row, I've been to the Rocky Horror Show too many times to be caught that way. I still ended up holding a broom during a scene change. This production is well-staged, with an excellent cast. Of particular note are Tanya Ronder as Kate and Lloyd Hutchinson as Petruchio. Petruchio is played not as a wife-beater, but as a man looking for a strong woman to act as his second-in-command at his recently inherited estate, and determined to break her to accepting him as in charge without breaking her mettle. It could have been played very differently; the text is remarkably ambiguous. It's an interesting comparison with Power. The production runs until 14 April, and I'd recommend that anyone interested in Shakespeare and within easy reach of Manchester consider going to this. -- Julia Jones

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Re: [B7L] Avon's conviction (was Recent slash discussions etc)
by Marian de Haan 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

>Cheryl wrote: >I don't think Avon was sent to Cygnus Alpha for any crime other than an attempt to defraud the Federation's banking system...< I agree. In Space Fall Vila only mentions the bank fraud, not the dead visa seller. The Ultra also only mention the fraud. This leads me to believe that Avon was only convicted for the fraud, not for the killing (which, a capable lawyer could argue, was in self defence as the visa seller shot first). Possibly the authorities a) didn't regard the killing of the visa seller as bad as the fraud, and decided to prosecute Avon only for the "graver" crime; b) were actually grateful to Avon for ridding them of the visa seller, thus sparing them the costs for a trial; c) didn't even know that Avon had killed the visa seller. Anna didn't know where Avon was to meet the visa seller, or she could have directed the hounds straight to that place to pick Avon up. As Avon was only caught some time later - he was at least a week in hiding and we don't know how long on the run after that - it is possible that he never was connected with the killed visa seller. Or maybe the seller's body was never found. Or the authorities had already convicted someone else for the deed and thus couldn't prosecute Avon for it without having to admit their error. Marian

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More Redemption '01 pictures
by Calle Dybedahl 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/red01/ Help identifying the people I don't know the names of would be appreciated. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle(a)lysator.liu.se "My Body Is A Temple...To Bacchus" -- Penny Dreadful

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Re: [B7L] Blake and Inga
by Marian de Haan 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Neil wrote: >Maybe, once Blake was convicted (first or second time around) Inga elected to join her father on Exbar as an indefinite-stay visitor. We only now for a fact that she's definitely been there since the previous winter, when she pulled Ushton out of crevasse. Though she might have gone away since then and come back again. For all we are told by the script, Travis might have picked her up somewhere else entirely and taken her to Exbar himself, though her outfit suggests she's been there a while and gone native.< On the contrary, her outfit suggests that Travis has picked her straight up from a planet with a more clement climate. :-) Thanks, Neil. Now I can make sense of that outfit. Marian

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Re: [B7L] Warning: hijacking of thread (was Kathryn's convention report/slash)
by Kanna Ophelia 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Marian wrote: > Vila - lists for discussing the merits of well-shaped, good-legged virgins > (but he'd want some pictures to go with the descriptions). Lists on the theory and practice of humour? With a special focus on how to get non-organic lifeforms to appreciate bad jokes... > Soolin - lists for discussing guns. Hmmm... I'd say, myself, that the interest in guns as guns is more Dayna's province than Soolin's - Soolin excels at firing them and is proud of her skill, but I don't recall her being interested in weaponry as such. I can see Soolin heavily immersed in a haircare list, though, getting very worked up on the Pantene or not to Pantene discussion... > Servalan would set up her own list (under an alias), inviting people to > criticise the Supreme Commander/President. Then she'd hunt down and kill > those who do. Oh, of course. And... Is the Megalomonia list still running? XXX Kanna-Ophelia Femmeslash: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/femmeslash The Pokeslash Playground: www.tvheaven.pokemon.com Diversion Tactics: www.geocities.com/diversiontactics --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using One.Net's Mail Man. http://mailman.one.net.au

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Re: use of image
by Steve Rogerson 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Annie asked: "I do not know the copyright laws of the UK. I do know something about the laws here in the USA, though, and yes, to some degree the performer does sign away their rights when it comes to having photos taken" In the UK, the default is that the copyright of a photograph belongs with the photographer unless the photgrapher specifically signs away that copyright, which sometimes happens professionally if the photographer is working to a commission. The exception is if the photographer is an employee and the photographs are being taken as part of that employment, in which case the default is the employer owns the copyright. There was a fuss at Deliverance in 1998 when Sally Knyvette got upset with a dealer selling photos of her. She insisted the dealer tear up the photos she had, which the dealer did. These were photos taken at another convention. The dealer tore up the photos for a quiet time, but she was under no legal obligation to do so as Sally had no rights to those pictures. There has been talk in the UK for some time about introducing a law to protect celebrities from having their photos taken and being used in newspapers, but that has not happened yet. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent The 25th Anniversary Blake's 7 Convention The 10th Anniversary Babylon 5 Convention http://www.smof.com/redemption

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School jokes (was Re: [B7L] Kathryn's convention report/slash)
by Ellynne G. 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:34:27 -0000 "Una McCormack" <una(a)qresearch.org.uk> writes: > Tavia wrote: > > > Fiona wrote: > > >BTW, how many Cambridge first-years does it take to screw in a > lightbulb? :) > > > > Oh god, let's *not* have the Oxford vs Cambridge flamewar. > > No, it wouldn't be kind to Fiona ;P This does, however, remind me of all the jokes they used to tell at Vila's reform school about the space cadet academy Tarrant attended. How can you tell a space cadet's been using the computer? All the white out on the screen. How many members of a space cadet training team does it take to change a lightbulb? The whole team. The teacher holds the bulb. The team picks up the dome and twists it around. [Side issue: How many Servalan's does it take to change a lightbulb? Only one. She just holds the bulb while the universe revolves around her] What's the difference between a space cadet and a rat? The rat has hair on its chest. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] Semantics (was Kathryn's convention report/slash)
by Marian de Haan 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Tavia wrote: >Marian, Tavia, Marian: >>>>My only aim was to bring up one aspect which I felt had been neglected in the debate, namely the fact that in writing fanfiction, we are hijacking characters that other people created.<<<< >>>One teensy thought here. Hijacking implies physically taking some object and removing it, with the effect that the object is not available for others to enjoy.<<< ><<grin> Challenging the wording of a statement when you can't challenge its content is a well worn tactic. :-)<< >So's using an emotive word for a non-emotive concept :-) --- which is what I was complaining about. > >Taking your statement as quoted above at face value, it appears to challenge the whole existence of fanfic, which I personally find odd in someone I know to have written fanfic. Do you care to elaborate, so that we can examine the content rather than just the wording?< I'm not challenging the concept of fanfiction, just stating the fact that in doing so we are using characters created by others, which is something that seems to get forgotten sometimes in the heat of the debate. Marian

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