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Re: [B7L] Semantics (was Kathryn's convention report/slash)
by Marian de Haan 11 Mar '01

11 Mar '01

Tavia wrote: >Marian wrote: >>My only aim was to bring up one aspect which I felt had been neglected in the debate, namely the fact that in writing fanfiction, we are hijacking characters that other people created.<< >One teensy thought here. Hijacking implies physically taking some object and removing it, with the effect that the object is not available for others to enjoy.< <grin> Challenging the wording of a statement when you can't challenge its content is a well worn tactic. :-) >However, if I write a piece of fanfic, however bad, about Avon, Avon doesn't magically disappear from all the B7 videos in the world for the duration of my use of him. Regardless of my intervention, everyone else in the world remains free to interpret Avon in any way they please.< Well, I rate the members of this list intelligent enough to get my meaning. Can this be considered as hijacking of a thread? :-) Marian

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Theatre review: Hamlet
by Julia Jones 11 Mar '01

11 Mar '01

Hamlet The Brunton Theatre, Musselburgh, 17 Feb 2001 or, who cares if I'm jet-lagged? And so back to the UK for the farewell tour before moving to the US. First port of call is Edinburgh, to see my aunt, and incidentally go to see Gareth Thomas playing Polonius in Hamlet. This is A Good Thing for me in two ways - a chance to see my favourite actor in Shakespeare, and a chance to see a Shakespeare that I have not seen before. An assortment of the usual suspects were there, but owing to a minor hiccup the long-distance travellers were accommodated in a variety of spare beds across Edinburgh and Glasgow. The minor hiccup in question was the Scotland-Wales rugby match being held at Murrayfield, and hence a complete absence of B&B accommodation under a hundred quid. The party met at the Brunton in time to see if there was enough space to sneak onto the touch tour for the visually impaired. They were very nice and let us go along, although the price for this was being referred to as "the groupies". It was fascinating to see the set and some of the costumes and props up close. I particularly appreciated it, as I'm very short-sighted and my contact lenses didn't seem to be quite right for a few days after the long flight from Australia. Some things were completely fake when seen up close, others, such as the swords, were *very* real. The stagehand handling the swords allowed interested parties to examine them closely, although we weren't allowed to handle them much for safety reasons. Beautiful things, with engraved blades. It's also the first time I've had a chance to see backstage with the set in place - interesting to see the way the entrances and exits work, and how the theatre looks from the cast's perspective. I had a chance to confirm something that occurred to me rather too late when I saw Twelfth Night last year - yes, the actor playing Orsino could have seen me admiring the fit of his leather trousers... The quality of the production itself was mixed. Several excellent or good actors and good direction, but some of the cast were only so-so - and the cast also included members of the local youth theatre group, who were utterly abysmal. I gather from some of the comments in the newspaper cuttings displayed in the lobby that these last were included for funding and political reasons. A pity, as they dragged down one section of what would otherwise have been a very enjoyable production. Liam Brennan as Hamlet was superb, with an interpretation that had the young prince quite sane but faking madness in order to discover the truth about his father's death. Michael Mackenzie, in a double role as Claudius and the ghost, was also excellent. Gareth, needless to say, was wonderful as Polonius, portraying him not as a buffoon but a man well aware of the dangers of his position, inclined to go on at length when he's nervous but by no means stupid. Perfect timing in the delivery, putting new twists on the lines. Also some lovely acting when he was on stage but not the focus of attention, not drawing attention away from where it should be, but still in character if you happened to glance at him. Rather nice partial beard for this occasion - the photo is now up at Judith's website. Gareth's other role was the gravedigger - a *Welsh* gravedigger. Very Welsh. (Gareth's comment in the cafe afterwards was that he'd agreed to double on the gravedigger as long as he could do it with a Welsh accent, this being an accent not heard that often on the Scottish stage.) With a full (fake, but good fake) beard. Different body language as well, one of the reasons I like Gareth as an actor is his versatility. All three actors made the Shakespearean English clear and comprehensible, despite the array of accents on display. They caught the rhythm of the lines just right. I enjoyed this play a lot; I wish the rest of the cast had been of the calibre of these three actors, but it was still a well-spent evening. -- Julia Jones

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Re: [B7L] Reality Shifts
by littles＠lycos.co.uk 11 Mar '01

11 Mar '01

Fiona wrote on Travis: For instance, to try a couple of different > ways of "playing the game" (to use your terminology :) ), one can try and > explain it by suggesting that, during his retraining between the series, > Travis' brain was removed from his head and placed in the head of another > man (who was then given similar injuries-- they were meant to be the same > but there was a medical error :) ); his speech centres were altered to give > him an East End accent, and a leafletting campaign was conducted throughout > the galaxy to say "Travis now looks like this; when you meet him, don't say > anything about the change, it might hurt his feelings" :). > > Another explanation, however, might be to note the other changes that happen > throughout the following seasons that contradict season 1--Cally's > backstory, for instance, or Venn Glynd being played by a different actor and > suddenly having become a prosecutor at Blake's trial--and argue that, to > adapt an explanation frequently used in comic books, something happened to > the fabric of reality, so that the entire universe changed for the > characters, and Travis had *always* been played by Brian Croucher, Venn > Glynd was in fact the prosecutor at Blake's trial, etc., for the characters. > As observers, though, we *would* in fact see the change--so it jars on us. > But the characters don't notice it at all. Hey, that could explain "The Sevenfold Crown" and "The Syndeton Experiment"-- they're how the B7 universe would have looked if the change _hadn't_ taken place after Series 1... Thank God the change took place, then! Shane "You really are insane, aren't you?" --Avon

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More Redemption '01 pictures
by Rita d' Orac 11 Mar '01

11 Mar '01

On Sun Mar 11 17:13:07 2001 Calle Dybedahl calle(a)lysator.liu.se wrote: > http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/red01/ > Help identifying the people I don't know the names of would be appreciated. On your second to last pic "Even more slash panel", the person to the left of Judith is Stuart Heal and to the left of Katryn is Michael Saunders. The third Mountie is Louise from www.blakes-7.co.uk ===== rita d'orac "If you think of this mouse as a space captain..." http://www.vilaworld.com ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Species
by Dana Shilling 11 Mar '01

11 Mar '01

Are Auronar Homo auronae or Homo sapiens var. auronae? -(Y)

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Re: [B7L] Kathryn's convention report/slash
by Tavia 11 Mar '01

11 Mar '01

Fiona wrote: >Actually, the response I heard to that one was >"None, it's a second-years-and-over subject" ><ducks an egg flung by Una>. And slightly sharper projectile from Tavia. Why don't you just admit it, Fiona, you're surrounded and outnumbered.... Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Re: Canon and Art
by Tavia 11 Mar '01

11 Mar '01

Fiona wrote: >Agreed. I've often thought that if there *was* some way of going back in >time and finding out Shakespeare's intent, it would probably turn out >to be a bit disappointing. Indeed. In some cases it's the thinness of the text that makes for the interest. >Much like how I tend to prefer modern-dress >Shakespeare to period-dress Shakespeare-- because I do like seeing >the different spin on the words having it in modern dress gives. I like >Shakespeare precisely because of the potential for interpretation... The best ever opera I've seen by miles and miles was a modern-dress, highly colloquial English translation of Don Giovanni. As I recall, one of the ideas suggested at the B7 movie discussion at Redemption was the possibility of recasting the series and essentially running the same again with different actors and a better class of special effects. (Apologies if I'm misquoting someone, I wasn't taking notes.) Tavia

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Re: [B7L] Re: Hey Steve
by Bizarro7＠aol.com 11 Mar '01

11 Mar '01

In a message dated 3/11/01 6:20:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve.rogerson(a)mcr1.poptel.org.uk writes: << Apart from Redemption 03 (details below) there is no B7 convention as such, but Eclectic from 25-27 May in Leicester has Gareth Thomas and Jacqueline Pearce as guests. The web address is: http://www.eclectic21.co.uk/ >> Thanks! Hey Steve....as Brits continue to move down here to Florida in droves, there are more and more British pubs opening up. Could you possibly be bribed to emigrate and found a "Page's Bar" down here for us? There's nothing even vaguely like it and I guarantee tremendous crowds! Leah

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Re: slash
by Steve Rogerson 11 Mar '01

11 Mar '01

Fiona said: "But some people on this lyst have been trying to claim a canonical basis for slash." I think the point is that, while none of the main characters are openly gay, some of the scenes can be interpreted in that way. It is clear that you and some others who've contributed to this thread don't interpret them that way, but, as I've said before, that doesn't make you right and them wrong or vice versa. There is no right and wrong here, it's just different fans' interpretations of different scenes. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption

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Re: [B7L] Kathryn's convention report/slash
by Tavia 11 Mar '01

11 Mar '01

Fiona wrote: >BTW, how many Cambridge first-years does it take to screw in a lightbulb? :) Oh god, let's *not* have the Oxford vs Cambridge flamewar. Tavia

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