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Re: [B7L] Re: Countdown
by Sally Manton 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Mine Own opinion ... it's emotional. He's rather good at over-reacting when one of his own is in danger (he might have read and agreed with all those tracts about 'a proper revolutionary mustn't care about his human tools' but he simply can't get it right <g>). After all, he fully intended - and told Cauder - that they were pulling out when the countdown reached fifty (though - to give weight to Sondra's theory - at that point, he does order Jenna to bring Avon and Grant up before himself and Vila). Actually, *that's* the point at which Vila should have said "well *I'll* go". Mine Further Opinion is that Blake freezes, and his only thought is that *he's* not going to leave Avon to die (this is Not Logical, since he's half a World Away. From his expression, Logic don't come into it). After all, Vila doesn't indicate he's going to call for pick-up *by himself*, does he? With Vila bleating "Blake!" Cauder yelling "Blake, go!" in one ear, what Vila appears (to what scant attention Blake can give him) to be about to do is pull them *both* out ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Fw: [B7L] Editing
by Marian de Haan 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Marian de Haan <maya(a)multiweb.nl> Aan: unlisted-recipients:; <unlisted-recipients:;> CC: B7L <blakes7(a)lists.lysator.liu.se> Datum: vrijdag 26 januari 2001 20:28 Onderwerp: Re: [B7L] Editing >Julia Jones wrote: >>No, I wouldn't submit to an editor with that policy, either. Although >I'm starting to wonder about the one with the A and B avatars that I >submitted to a pro publisher nearly two years ago...< > >I've only got experience with Dutch commercial publishers who, if they're >not interested, are never ever going to reply. OTOH, if they *are* >interested they'll respond very quickly. The criterion seems to be that it >you haven't heard from them within a week, you can forget it. But as said, >that only applies to publishers here in the Netherlands (Holland). > >Maybe you could try telephone the publisher, Julia? Here that's the only >way to get a reply, as they don't respond to letters, faxes or email. > >Success! > >Marian > >

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Re: [B7L] Re: Countdown
by Marian de Haan 28 Jan '01

28 Jan '01

Natasa wrote: >Marian wrote: >>That seems unlikely as the countdown was still at fifty and didn't go that fast. But it would be an argument for letting Vila teleport up immediately, so he couldn't clog the system later. It seems to be a good argument for having Blake teleport up also, to leave the system free for Avon and Grant when they would need it :-)<< >from 'Why Blake Stayed on Albian', an essay by Sondra Sweigman: < quotation partly snipped> >By staying Blake ensured that the teleport would not be in use (transporting Vila and/or himself back to the ship) when Avon needed it. Since that "need" could have become very urgent indeed and it takes time to reconfigure the teleport coordinates,< Not if they could lock on to the bracelets. >Blake's decision was actually a highly pragmatic one. An argument has been made that the teleport coordinates don't need to be reconfigured for pick-up, only for put-down. While there are episodes which seem to support that contention, it was never explicitly stated on the show, and inconsistences of that sort are abundant in B7. Within the context of the episode COUNTDOWN itself, it seems clear that Blake stayed in order to give Avon and Grant first call on the teleport -- whether that involved time for resetting coordinates or simply the delay involved in making two sequential pick-ups.'< >This essay may be found on Judith's site. It's probably the best explanation I could think of.< Sorry, but it doesn't convince me. I maintain that the best way to prevent clogging up the teleport when it was needed in an emergency, was for Blake and Vila to teleport up *in time*. To me Blake's decision to stay seems a hollow gesture. That's his choice, but he shouldn't have forced Vila to stay. Just IMHO, of course. And I'm always happy to agree to disagree :-) Marian

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Re: [B7L] filk
by J MacQueen 28 Jan '01

28 Jan '01

>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner(a)tesco.net> >Not that there's much scope for many errors in just four lines... Tell that to Jarvik...Piri...any Space Rat you like... Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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RE:countdown
by M 28 Jan '01

28 Jan '01

I still think Blake stayed because he felt guilty about Avon being in danger. First off Avon's now with Grant who may blow his head off and second Blake had to let Avon go instead of him. Therefore his guilt is passed over to his wanting to stay - if he teleports up, he's abandoning Avon. Yet he cant teleport over to him, he'd have to get gear and would probably disturb him - not enough time. Here's where my problem lies, Blake is guilty, therefore he makes Vila stay. His idea seeming to be his men must follow his lead. As if Vila isnt an individual in his own right who deserves to make the choice. Whether this be the 'cause' or Alpha superiority, it still shows a side to Blake I dont like and I think leads on to his fanatacism. Whether the teleport should be free for Avon, I dont agree, if Avon hadnt stopped the bomb, Vila would still ahve died. Therefore it still says - Vila second place. M _______________________________________________________ Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite UK Visit http://inbox.excite.co.uk/

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Long-Flight Tips ; Was Re: Redemption junk...
by Hellen Paskaleva 28 Jan '01

28 Jan '01

From: seven(a)gaudaprime.com, RE Redemption: <If you are travelling from your place to Britain, you have elected for yourself a 24-hour trip. In case you haven't taken this flight before - I have taken it once or twice - here are some tips: In the lead-up to the flight, practice sleeping a few minutes / hours in an armchair. It will acclimatise, shall we say, your body to the demands of sitting for an extended period. ...> Ermm, David, I will travel from much closer, from Manchester, but thank you all the same for the useful sugestions. I can practice sleeping 12 or so hours in train, having in mind the complicated railway situation here... ;-) Hellen _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: Countdown
by Natasa Tucev 28 Jan '01

28 Jan '01

Marian wrote: >Ellynne G. wrote re Blake's refusal to let Vila treleport to safety in >Countdown: >>And, what would have happened if Blake let Vila go and he was clogging up >the teleport just when Avon needed an emergency out?< > >That seems unlikely as the countdown was still at fifty and didn't go that >fast. But it would be an argument for letting Vila teleport up immediately, >so he couldn't clog the system later. It seems to be a good argument for >having Blake teleport up also, to leave the system free for Avon and Grant >when they would need it :-) from 'Why Blake Stayed on Albian', an essay by Sondra Sweigman: 'It's often said that Blake wasn't doing Avon any good by staying and making Vila stay. I disagree. By staying Blake ensured that the teleport would not be in use (transporting Vila and/or himself back to the ship) when Avon needed it. Since that "need" could have become very urgent indeed and it takes time to reconfigure the teleport coordinates, Blake's decision was actually a highly pragmatic one. An argument has been made that the teleport coordinates don't need to be reconfigured for pick-up, only for put-down. While there are episodes which seem to support that contention, it was never explicitly stated on the show, and inconsistences of that sort are abundant in B7. Within the context of the episode COUNTDOWN itself, it seems clear that Blake stayed in order to give Avon and Grant first call on the teleport -- whether that involved time for resetting coordinates or simply the delay involved in making two sequential pick-ups.' This essay may be found on Judith's site. It's probably the best explanation I could think of. N.

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Re: failure notice
by Blenkarn 28 Jan '01

28 Jan '01

Sally wrote: > >Interesting, isn't it? There's always grumbles about *someone* not appearing > >in The Way Back, Not from those of us who are watching the foreground Helen wrote <snip> > Vila gives up and so he never meets Blake.<>The Liberator collides with > the London and everybody dies. The end of series. Now realism has a place in fiction, but this is going TOO FAR <g>.> Cheers Chris

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Another fanfic
by Ellynne G. 28 Jan '01

28 Jan '01

OK, I know I am always presenting ideas that I then go off and do nothing with. However, here's the latest brainstorm (how stormy the brain in question was to produce this being beside the point). Just been thinking in passing of the ST:DS9 ep with the quote from "Avon of the 7" and toying with the idea of crossovers. TIme: Inbetween Classic Trek and ST:TNG during a time of relative peace between the Federation and Cardassia. Characters: Avon: Avon of the 7 would have to be Bajoran, which means a Bajoran nose and an earring with a slightly adapted wardrobe in black to match. A bit more committed to the fight than our Avon (he had more grudges and fewer outs), he's always looking for a chance to hurt Cardassia and/or the Occupation. His wife, Anna, is almost certainly dead but he's never received definite proof and tends to be more 'not interested' in dating than our Avon because of this. Kallandra Zel: 3/4 human, 1/4 Betazoid (or other telepathic race [not Vulcan. _No_ pointy ears]). Cally's counterpart. Taller than Cally and less slightly built with fair skin, she has reddish brown hair (curly and longer than Cally's) and hazel green eyes with gold flecks. She also has a sharper chin than Cally's, but it's Cally's face with different coloring and a sharper chin. Kallandra can communicate telepathically with Betazoids and possibly other telepaths. She has moderate empathic reading skills with nontelepaths but could form an Imzadi type link under the right circumstances (ie, if the plot requires). She was a nurse working at a Bajoran refugee camp. A Bajoran resistance group had been in the area, leading a bunch of Cardassians to show up. Kallandra tried to intervene. The decided not to hurt the Federation citizen. She and most of the youngest children were herded into a building. Kallandra was able to feel the people outside being killed. The Cardassians, however, cremated the bodies, then let her and the children out. The Federation, not wanting a fight with Cardassia at the time, decided the evidence was 'inconclusive.' Kallandra spent a couple of months having her testimony politely listened to, then ignored, before joining up with The Seven. Valk: a Ferengi who looks a lot like Michael Keating in a lot of make up. I have no idea why a Ferengi got into freedom fighting. The only thing I've gotten out of this character so far is that he thinks he'll make a killing selling his memoirs later, which sounds pretty thin so I know there's something more to it than that. Dai'yen: Dayna as a Klingon. Different wardrobe, more hair, growls, probably taller, always carries nasty looking weapons. IOW, no major differences. Tarran Dellos: Tarrant with an earring and Bajoran nose. Balak Rojoran: I don't know the details, but the Cardassians goofed. This was part of their attempt to condition Cardassian spies who would believe they were the Bajorans they impersonated. This experiment at downloading a Bajoran's memories into a Cardassian mind resulted in a sort of mind merger. Rojoran knows the truth about his tampered mind but it gave him a moral wake up call (Cardassian attempts to discredit him by accusing him of vile crimes were less than successful). I think he may be MIA or at least separated from the group. Soolin should probably be here. I don't know about Jenna. I also don't know about Orac, Zen, and Slave. However, there definitely is a very good ship (although it may have been blown up before things get rolling). Plot: All I know is that, somehow, Kallandra winds up in the B7 universe (along with Dai'yen and Valk, who she may have been separated from). It's early in S4. I'm reasonably sure she winds up helping to rescue Avon from some Federation forces who'd captured him before realizing this wasn't _her_ Avon. Avon, for his part, is initially suspicious but also disturbed by her resemblance to the recently dead Cally (the slowly dawning realization that she's Cally's counterpart doesn't really help). Kallandra, it should be noted, is only very good friends with her universe's Avon (see above). Valk, who has more self-confidence than Vila, will also be a bit disturbing to Avon as he frequently cites the Rules of Acquisition - Avon is not inclined to respect Ferengi culture and hearing his own philosophy constantly put forward by Valk will not make him a happy camper (examples - Rule 99: Trust is the biggest liability of all. #21: Never place friendship above profit. #121: Everything is for sale. Even friendship. #52: Never ask when you can take. #261: A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience. #266: When in doubt, lie). It should be added that Kallandra will punch Valk (something Cally probably wouldn't do) when he notices Avon's interest in her and cites #113 to her, which I won't repeat here. Oh, and for Gauda Prime: #236: You can't buy fate. Avon in general: #48: The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife. Please note, Trek says the Ferengi devil is "the Smiling Partner." Other than that, not sure what happens. I also don't know how Garak is going to get into this or who he's going to torture for information (or for which side). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Re: [B7L] editing game
by Harriet Monkhouse 28 Jan '01

28 Jan '01

Penny offered: >Yes ma'am! Who do you want me to kill? Um, Jarvik? Harriet

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