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Subject: [B7L] Another fanfic
by Sally Manton 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Ellynne wrote: <I also don't know how Garak is going to get into this or who he's going to torture for information (or for which side).> Whichever side he is on, he is going to torture Avon, of course. Haven't you read the rules about Suffering Beautifully yet? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Hermit updates
by Judith Proctor 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

I've now got copies of Storm Warning for sale. THey can be ordered via http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 This is the Big Finish Dr Who Cd with Paul McGann and Gareth Thomas. I've only heard half of it so far, but it shows promise. It was written direct for audio rather then being an audio of a book and that shows. Although I like the Big Finish Bernice Sumerfield stories (I tried them after being impressed by The Fearmonger) they suffer a little from having to be trimmed from the book to fit into an audio play. The ones written originally for audio have better pacing and fewer characters with more depth to them. I'll try and dictate a review into the other computer once I've listened to it all properly. We've corrected all known problems with the Library ('Shane' was missing a bit at the end, updated Kathryn's stories to their new link), and added more stories to the index including stories by Emma Peel, Patti, Tom Beck, Ali and Jean Graham. Plus there's the ususal swathe of changes and updates too small to bother listing individually. JUdith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Re: [B7L] filk
by Sally Manton 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Neil wrote: <As someone who makes Lee (Wand'rin' Star) Marvin sound like Pavarotti, I don't think that's a very good idea.> But as someone who loooovved that song (and is a lon-term fan on the immortal Florence Foster Jenkins), I think it makes it an even better one :-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Deliverance
by Penberriss Wendy S. 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Recently I have watched the episode Deliverance and was surprised to see how sexist it was! Worse than Power, even! What do other people think? Wendy __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [B7L] Deliverance
by Marian de Haan 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Wendy wrote: >Recently I have watched the episode Deliverance and was surprised to see how sexist it was! Worse than Power, even!< In what way? Avon behaves like a gentleman to Meegat, he doesn't grab, kiss or shoot her. It seems logical that the hairy barbarians would rather go for Jenna than Gan. The same goes for Ensor junior choosing Cally for hostage rather than Blake, although one would have expected Cally to be able to deal with him. And the writer not making use of her telepathy here seems a missed chance. (Or did she telepath to Blake? It's quite a while since I watched the episode.) I love Sally's idea of having Jenna abducted by good-looking chaps and Avon adored by a hairy barbarian :-) And it would have been nice to see Ensor junior point his gun against Blake's head instead of Cally's. And Blake coolly turning his back to him... Marian

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Re: Blakes7 digest, Vol 1 #10 - 15 msgs
by David A McIntee 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

> > It's not- it's in the first spin-off novel, The Siege, by Peter > > David. > > > OK, mea culpa time. I _thought_ this line was in the DS9 ep "Shakaar." > However, when I saw this episode, I didn't catch anything as a B7 quote. > I also didn't get around to seeing Horizon till some years later (caught > the last five minutes the first time I saw it on TV. Taken on that alone, > it's not an episode to inspire constant viewing, so much aquamarine and > feathers). Then, somewhere down the line, I either read or was told this > was used in DS9. Since I don't remember the source, I can't vouch for > reliability. I'm not even sure if I was told it was in "Shakaar" or if I > drew that conclusion on my own. I do know I've been meaning to see the > episode ever since to check but I haven't seen it on TV (and I'm not wild > about buying the videotape just to check, though I may get to that). Um, no, it's in the Peter David book! (trust me, I have all the episodes, and I'm the one who originally brought that PD quote to people's attention by mentioning it in my review of the book in DWB...)

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Re: Blake's 7 - the Other Version
by Natasa Tucev 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Sally wrote: > >Cygnus Alpha - Brian Blessed's outfit needs a couple more touches, like >non-giggle-worthy shoes. And a gag. A large one. Oh, and maybe touch on >the fact that Blake - having just gone through what is heavily implied to be >medieval style torture - could have taken more than fifteen minutes (if >that?) to recover? You're right, it's totally unconvincing. Besides, how long did it last, anyway? Didn't Jenna say, 'An hour, we'll wait an hour'? Within that hour, Blake finds the 'early maniac' building, listens to the conversation between Vargas and Kara, talks to Gan, gets a knock on the head, recovers from the said knock, has a chat with Vargas, pays a visit to the dungeons, snarls at prisoners, fights with the priests, manages to snatch a bracelet and leave the building with Gan and Vila before he contacts the Liberator. It follows that he couldn't have been tortured for more than ten minutes. My dentist takes longer than that. How badly does Vargas want that ship? My suggestion to the scriptwriter: add a scene in which Avon gets the Liberator started, and after a short argument, Jenna manages to convince him to return. Vargas notices that the ship has changed orbit, he is worried that it will leave, so he decides to give up maltreating Blake and look for a faster way to get the ship. I would also enjoy a scene in which Kara comes to warn Gan about the sacrifice, and perhaps tries to persuade him to run away with her and desert the others. It could add some complexity to his character. N.

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Re: Subject: Re: Blake's 7 - the Other Version (was [B7L] editing game; is long)
by Stefaan Michiels 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Sally suggested : >Duel - as I've said before, make *Vilakins* the one picked to demonstrate >the death of a friend (his enthusiasm for the idea - and the scenes with >him >and the mutoid - would have been priceless). I would have liked the duel to continue as a spacebatlle between the federation crews and Our Heroes. With the Liberator running low on energy and possibly some damage inflicted by breaking out of the barrage, that would have created some nice stressy situations where they could all do a fair bit of shouting at eachother. Stefaan. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [B7L] Lysator's New Look
by Harriet Monkhouse 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Tavia suggested: >You can always do as I do, and receive neither >message by message nor digest, and read it online >at http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/ But some of us prefer not to stay online to read that quantity of mail. Incidentally, another downside of the 20 lines of technical information is that it means further scrolling up and down within the Digest to work out what the hell the post was called in order to comply with the request to provide a specific subject line. Happily, the Listmaster said he would look into the problem shortly. Harriet

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Subject: Re: Blake's 7 - the Other Version (was [B7L] editing game; is long)
by Sally Manton 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Can I play too? Anywhere at all after The Way Back ... bring back Dev Tarrant. Keep Jenna's and Vila's slightly unsettling/agressive edges, and give Gan some too. Spacefall - give poor Nova a respectable amount of mousse to drown in. And do NOT make space helmets out of battered colanders (yes, Raiker, I do mean you ...) Cygnus Alpha - Brian Blessed's outfit needs a couple more touches, like non-giggle-worthy shoes. And a gag. A large one. Oh, and maybe touch on the fact that Blake - having just gone through what is heavily implied to be medieval style torture - could have taken more than fifteen minutes (if that?) to recover? The Web - Pitch Saymon (preferably into a ditch. A large one). Expand the Cally-being-taken-over story to expound on Avon & Jenna's ideas about pitching *her*. SLD - more Bercol and Rontane, please. Duel - as I've said before, make *Vilakins* the one picked to demonstrate the death of a friend (his enthusiasm for the idea - and the scenes with him and the mutoid - would have been priceless). Breakdown - yes, I know he's fun, but make Kayn (as one of the very few people - outside the power structure - who actually see the Federation as A Good Thing) less one-sidedly odious. Would give the thing a touch more complexity. Also put a gag on David Jackson in the grunting scenes. Deliverance - have also said this before. Have Jenna being abducted by tall, chiffon-bedecked Greek God-types, and Avon having a massive, ugly, hairy barbarian throwing his-or-her animal-skin-covered self at his feet. Orac - save the goldfish (okay, okay, so I'm sentimental, so sue me). Weapon - yes, I agree. IMIPAK is silly. And get rid of the Lobster Top!!!!! (If necessary, by ripping it off him bodily ...) Explain *someone's* rather noticeable face/body/voice/character/eyepatch transplant. Horizon - Have lots more of the early "let's all be one big crabby family" scenes <g> Shoot Selma immediately. Get rid of the nosecam when Blake's being tortured. Pressure Point - speak severely to the costume director, put Avon back in the silver, Vila in the black short from Weapon and Jenna in something just as blue but less impractical. And whose idea was Servalan's costume change after capture?!?!? Trial - see SLD. Killer - deal with the fact that Our Heroes didn't catch the bug. Let Dr Bellfriar /Gambrill/Tynus/even Dr Wiler survive and join Our Heroes (lovely set of guests this one has). Hostage - hire someone else completely to play Inga, and give her some decent cold-weather clothes. Do something about the stupidity-gas in the Exbar air and let Our Heroes *shoot* the baddies rather than push polystyrene rocks on them. Explain slowly and carefully to Brian Croucher that this is not a Victorian melodrama and he is not Dick Dastardly. Countdown - less of Del Grant, more of Provine. Voice - make the storyline make sense, cut it down and show what happened afterwards. Substitute Alta Morag for Ven Glyn. Explain slowly and carefully to Brian Croucher that and he is not Boris Karloff playing The Mummy in a bathrobe. Star One - almost perfect IMO, but the garage or potting shed might have made a better battleship-yard than the kitchen. After Star One - have Zen's search-and-rescue program (aka 'let's turn me into a dumping ground for stray waifs') go a bit skewed, so instead of listening to Orac and picking up Our Heroes, he collects a brand-new seven fleeing from Freedom City (which got dented by a passing Andromedan fruit juicer) - Krantor and Toise, the Klute, Chenie, Jarriere, a paratrooper in a nun's habit (wrong fandom?) and one of those Sheiks of Arabeee ... Alternately, Powerplay - bring Fearless Leader back (yes, yes, what do you expect from moi? This is a *fantasy* edit, after all ...) Have the new President cut up for spare parts, just for fun (we could always meet the happy recipient of her brain later :-)) Dawn of the Gods - ummm ... no. Use for Rod-Rocket-and-the-Space-Nickers filler instead. The Harvest of Kairos - kill Jarvik fifty minutes earlier. Put Avon in the red trousers from DoTG so that we don't lose *those* scenes (they'd probably make just as much sense here, come to think of it). Show us what [a] Vila, [b] Tarrant and [c] Avon saw when looking at the Sopron (oh oh and what about Servalan?) Let Dayna keep Brian the Spider as a pet. Rumours of Death - hire someone else to play Anna, redo those awful misty Wromantic and totally Wrong memories of Avon's to make them more Avonish. Ultraworld - hand out pillows all round so we can also go to sleep in comfort ... or alternately, have the bodies going into the Core stripped first (as would be logical, methinks?) Given that it's Cally and Avon we're talking about, that should wake up a goodly few of the audience ... Moloch - thump Cally and Tarrant till they behave better. Have Moloch designed by your average 10-year-old Warhammer enthusiast for a *vastly* more authentic-looking alien ... and dump on Avon more at the end (not 'cause he's behaving badly, just 'cause it's fun). Death-Watch - someone speak *severely* to Zen about the clothes he/it's doling out at this stage. Keep Deeta. Terminal - get rid of the links (what earthly purpose do they serve in the story, BTW?) Rescue - explain how Dorian knew where to find them. Cover up the plagiarism a little bit better :-) DON'T have Dayna screaming and quivering in Tarrant's arms at the end!!!! Power - shoot Ben Steed. Pretend that it was all Vila's bad-wine-induced dream. Stardrive - pretend it never happened. Animals - listen to Una a bit more. Or a lot more. Or pretend that it's Our Heroes putting on a show for the Rebel Scum Ltd Galactic Coarse Acting Contest ... Assassin - explain to My Darling that slaves - especially being auctioned in a hot desert - are supposed to be dressed in chains and loincloths and ... oops, wrong list :-) Have Soolin clip Tarrant across the ear for *that* crack. Have Tarrant aim a few more cracks Avon-wards. Kill Piri just before we meet her and make Neebrox the assassin instead. Sand - if Tarrant and Servie must (despite her hand in the deaths of his brother and crewmate), they must, but do they have to act all cutesy about it? Ick. Let the sand bury the pair of them. OTOH, let's hear more of Orac's rhapsodising ... Orbit - feed Avon valium for the first half, to calm him down a bit. At least give a nod to the various ways they *could* have escaped without resorting to Vila's Ultimate Sacrifice) ... Warlord - let Tarrant/Soolin's plan for keeping Zeeona on Zenon at least make some sense, and give us some hint why Soolin's doing something so daft. Burn the pink wig. And give the warlords some acting lessons <g> Blake - some more detail about where Blake's been/what he's been doing would be nice, but so is the enigma ... no, seriously, despite its flaws, and the shudders I get every time I watch it, I don't know that I'd change it ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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