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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Betrayal and episode 'Blake'
by Sally Manton 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Nicola wrote: <Or for those you outrank, have authority over, or feel contempt for. I can't see Avon using the formal you with Vila for example. (And Vila would use the familiar with all the crew to be friendly or to tease.)> snip <What do native speakers of such a language think?> I'm not a native speaker, but I can see Avon having a lot of trouble working out what to call Blake, what with what he thinks of the man, what he wants to think of the man, what he wants the man to think he thinks ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: [B7L] Betrayal and episode 'Blake'
by Angria＠t-online.de 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

The form of adress debate: "Nicola Mody-Nikoloff" <mody-nikoloffn(a)axis-intermodal.co.nz> wrote: > What do native speakers of such a language think? As a German, I feel qualified. (And incidentally am amazed anyone felt insulted about "Trimm Dich" - I never met any German in my entire life who was, and certainly never cared about just which form of adress ads use one way or another myself.) Now, how to translate B7 characters adressing each other: considering that our heroes meet in prison where everyone uses the familiar "Du" form (well, they do in prison movies and tv shows, which is all I have to go by, honestly) instead of the formal "Sie", I'd say it would be "Du" between Avon and every member of the original Liberator crew from the start. Blake & Co. would use "Sie" for any member of the Federation hierarchy (from the Commissar in "Horizon" to Servalan), and definitely for Travis. Not out of respect, but out of distance and dislike. Avon, however, would switch to "Du" for Servalan in "Aftermath" since it's really ridiculous to adress someone with "Sie" after you've kissed. With Dayna, "Du" for similar reasons, and a respectful "Sie" for her father. "Sie" for Tarrant for the first few episodes; depending on how one sees their relationship improving, a switch after Tarrant's brother dies might be appropriate, but I'd also go with "Sie" for the entire run of the show. "Soolin" would be "Sie" as well, I think. And yes, "did you betray me" would definitely translate into "hast DU mich verraten?" Tanja

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RE: [B7L] Betrayal and episode 'Blake'
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Kerry Hale wrote: > > Jacqui wrote: > > > > > If episode 'Blake' was being translated into a language > > > with 'familiar' you and 'formal' you, which would Avon's 'Have > > > you betrayed...' be in? > > > Nico replied > > Familiar (tu, du)! Avon would consider himself superior to > everyone else, > > and would address everyone he knows, except perhaps Servalan, in the > > familiar. The formal would be reserved for people he's just > met, or barely > > knows. > > I think Avon would use the 'formal' you for everyone except > the very few > people he has been close to in order to keep everyone else at > a distance. > The 'familiar' is for people you care about or are prepared > to admit you care about. Or for those you outrank, have authority over, or feel contempt for. I can't see Avon using the formal you with Vila for example. (And Vila would use the familiar with all the crew to be friendly or to tease.) Maybe it depends on the language. When I lived in Germany, my friends really hated the advertising slogans 'Trink Coca Cola' and 'Trimm Dich' ('drink coke', and 'get fit') because they used the familiar you and they regarded it as an insult. OTOH the formal you was the polite form to use, and I can't see Avon passing up an opportunity to put someone down. What do native speakers of such a language think? Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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RE: [B7L] Betrayal and episode 'Blake'
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Jacqui wrote: > If episode 'Blake' was being translated into a language > with 'familiar' you and 'formal' you, which would Avon's 'Have > you betrayed...' be in? Familiar (tu, du)! Avon would consider himself superior to everyone else, and would address everyone he knows, except perhaps Servalan, in the familiar. The formal would be reserved for people he's just met, or barely knows. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Betrayal and episode 'Blake'
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

If episode 'Blake' was being translated into a language with'familiar' you and 'formal' you, which would Avon's 'Have you betrayed...' be in? Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: [B7L] Crossovers
by Sally Manton 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Joanne wrote: <It's idly linking characters from Inspector Rex (or, to give it its Austrian title, Kommissar Rex) to B7 characters.> Oh Joanne, I love you - I would never have thought of this ... Rex is Zen *and* Orac combined, and with 4 legs. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Crossovers
by J MacQueen 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

>From: "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> >Hey, don't forget Vila. Okay, not conventionally good-looking, but he's >cute :-) I must be more tired than I thought to be even considering this. Let alone considering posting it to the Lyst... No, not Vila's attractiveness, which I agree with, incidentally. It's idly linking characters from Inspector Rex (or, to give it its Austrian title, Kommissar Rex) to B7 characters. Christian is Vila. He's cute, he's picked on, but he is bright and able to take care of himself. Brandtner is some strange Avon-Tarrant amalgam, but with a bit less in the way of arrogance. Scratching my head, until the splinters catch in my fingernails, I consider Rex the German Shepherd=Orac, but if I'm going to get any work done today, now is the time to forget the idea entirely... Bleary-eyed regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: Re: [B7L] Crossovers
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

"Una McCormack" <una(a)qresearch.org.uk> wrote: >Betty wrote: > >> _Blake's 7_: A gang of escaped criminals fly around on the most advanced >> spaceship in the known galaxy, constantly bickering among themselves. >> They are lead by an idealist whose goal is to bring down the Evil >> Galactic Government, > >[snip] > >> _Andromeda_: A gang of criminals (they aren't escaped 'cause they never >> got caught at anything), fly around on the most advanced spaceship in >> the known galaxy, frequently bickering among themselves. They are lead >> by an idealist whose goal is to restore the Benevolent Galactic >> Government > >Andromeda: the fascist's Blake's 7. > > >Una > > The reason I asked was I happened to be watching The Seventh Seal - and there are certain parallels Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: [B7L] Ships
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

"Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: >Servalan's ship: >Dynasty? > >-(Y) > > As in Die-nasty? Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: Re: [B7L] Crossovers
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Sally Manton wrote: > Marian wrote: > <B7 has the merit - in addition to the refreshing plots and > great dialogue - > to have so many good-looking guys in it. (Avon, Blake, Travis I ...)> > > Hey, don't forget Vila. Okay, not conventionally > good-looking, but he's cute :-) > (Travis 2 is IMO *conventionally* handsome). I agree - Vila is very cute. I always go for personality rather than looks anyway, which makes Vilakins my way-out-front favourite. And he does have lovely eyes and a very nice smile, the latter sadly seldom seen in S4. To use one of my mother's favourite expressions, he could leave his shoes under my bed any night! ;-) Purely on looks though, I'd choose Travis 1 and 2 in that order. And Tarrant is just too pretty. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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