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Re: [B7L] Season 4 clothes - why so few?
by J MacQueen 01 Nov '01

01 Nov '01

>From: tony nolan <t.nolan(a)uts.edu.au> >Perhaps they characters just did not have the opportunity or resources to >change clothes. Nastier piece of speculation: maybe Dorian's resources included worse things than the matador jacket and that garment of Vila's usually referenced with the words "yellow tapeworm". A man prepared to do anything to suit a whim might just wear anything, regardless of his taste in wine and women (and how seriously should we take Avon's estimate of Dorian's impeccability on that score?). I had no intention of referring the "sunray" suit as outrageous, until the idea that it might've been Soolin's came up. If it ended up in Dorian's wardrobe, I'm speculating that other items belonging to Soolin went missing too, but maybe that's a subject for the Other List, and I'm not on it. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Season 4 clothes - why so few?
by J MacQueen 01 Nov '01

01 Nov '01

>From: "Marian de Haan" <mariandehaan(a)chello.nl> >As for the Matador suit - the thought that it went down with the ship makes >Liberator's destruction a bit easier to bear. She took the words right out of my mouth. 'Twas indeed a noble sacrifice, for which we honour Zen. <smile> Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: [B7L] Narrative Complications
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 01 Nov '01

01 Nov '01

"Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: >The straightforward way of setting up >the series would have been to have Blake >arrested in the course of Freedom Party >activities, then mind-wiped, fitted up, and >shipped to Cygnus Alpha. Instead, we have >the whole (and rather anti-heroic) business >of the SECOND arrest, at a time when Blake >was pretty much minding his own business >and conforming. > >The Blake we see in all his other episodes is >a strong person who dominates the situation, >so TWB not only has a very different atmosphere >from the rest of the series (it's more like the >last episode of The Prisoner than the first of >B7) but presents Blake as a hapless victim rather >than the flawed hero I suspect he was supposed to be. > >-(Y) > And 'what if' the series had been written with episode 'Blake' to start with? I know it wasn't planned to end it that way at the beginning, but it might have been 'interesting.' Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: Re: [B7L] Season 4 clothes - why so few?
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 01 Nov '01

01 Nov '01

"Dana Shilling" <dshilling(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: >Marian de Haan said: >: >> >> > I always assumed that all S4 clothes came from Dorian's and Soolin's >> > wardrobes. And I'm convinced that Avon's "sunray suit" >> > (Assassin-Gold) was >> > Soolin's originally, but somehow got mixed up with Dorian's >> > clothes. Of >> > course Avon would choose it on the strength of it being the >> > most outrageous >> > outfit available. >Marian, have you forgotten the Deathwatch Matador suit, or has >it caused traumatic amnesia? Anyway, I *like* the sunray suit, >especially under its alternate title of "the Baryshnikov costume." > >Nico said: > > LOL! I like it! Dayna would have fitted Soolin's outfits; they looked >> stretchy. And they made poor Vila, who always got the dirty jobs, to >> lengthen Tarrant's and shorten his own. I can just see him with a needle >> and thread, complaining bitterly. >...which would make him the person who had to put the Demented Dentist >costume (the one with the row of snaps across the top) back together to >fit Tarrant instead of Avon. > >I think that the S4 costumes, like the extreme discrepancy between Liberator >and Scorpio, is supposed to show that losing Blake eventually also led to a >deterioration in their material conditions. > >-(Y) > > And Blake didn't do too well either. Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: Re: Re: [B7L] Narrative Complications
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 01 Nov '01

01 Nov '01

"Marian de Haan" <mariandehaan(a)chello.nl> wrote: >Sally wrote: >>Ellynne wrote: >><I've sometimes thought it would have been better if it was set up with the >lawyer as the first episode's main character, with the story coming from his >POV.>< > >>Sounds fine to me, as long as you still manage to write in Alta Morag - one >of my favourite guest stars :-)< > >One of the few women in B7 who doesn't look like the victim of a prolonged >famine. I like her. It would have been great to see her pit her wits >against Servalan. > >And Avon should be in there too :-) I'd have loved to see the scene of his >trial. > >Marian > How come Blake's lawyer was so clueless about the politickings of the Federation and its legal system? I doubt he did 'Legal Aid' type work on a general basis & 'just got assigned' this 'significant' case. Jacqui __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Season 4 clothes - why so few?
by Sally Manton 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Tony suggested: <Perhaps the actors felt silly and decided to limit fashion & clothes> Anyone who could wear the Lobster Top and Manic Matador Jacket with a straight face is not easily made to feel silly by what he's wearing (what he's made to *say*, maybe :-)) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Season 3 clothes - why so awful?
by Sally Manton 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Forgot Vila's Kung-Fu-not-Fighting bathrobe in City. Obviously he took fashion tips from the people in Voice from the Past. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Fwd: Re: [B7L] Season 4 clothes - why so few?
by Sally Manton 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Dana wrote: <I *like* the sunray suit, especially under its alternate title of "the Baryshnikov costume."> Me too! <...which would make him the person who had to put the Demented Dentist costume (the one with the row of snaps across the top) back together to fit Tarrant instead of Avon.> What I want to know is who saved it when the Liberator went down ... and why. <I think that the S4 costumes, like the extreme discrepancy between Liberator and Scorpio, is supposed to show that losing Blake eventually also led to a deterioration in their material conditions.> Maybe, though both the costumes and Xenon base are hardly dilapidated, it's all still clean and kempt. And their costumes in S4, while fewer in number, are IMO rather an improvement on most of the things Zen was dishing up for them to wear in S3 (maybe he wasn't inspired by the people he was dressing at the stage :-)) Avon's polka dots and patches outfit and the thing in ultraword made of brown blanket; Tarrant's Captain-Blood impersonation in RoD; Vila's dull shades-of-housewife duds; Dayna's pink-and-white and that *appalling* thing in Sarcophagus; just about everyone in Kairos (Avon wasn't the only one bored at that stage methinks :-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [B7L] Season 4 clothes - why so few?
by Marian de Haan 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Sally wrote: >Nico wrote... ><I can just see him with a needle and thread, complaining bitterly.>< >Hey, if it was a choice between the darning and going our to do some derring-do, Vila would have been the first to grab the needle and thread. "Magic hands ..." wasn't it?< With his luck, he'd been set to do the darning first, and *then* sent on the derring-do. Marian

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Re: [B7L] Season 4 clothes - why so few?
by Marian de Haan 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Dana wrote: >Marian de Haan said: >> I always assumed that all S4 clothes came from Dorian's and Soolin's wardrobes. And I'm convinced that Avon's "sunray suit" (Assassin-Gold) was Soolin's originally, but somehow got mixed up with Dorian's clothes. Of course Avon would choose it on the strength of it being the most outrageous outfit available.<< >Marian, have you forgotten the Deathwatch Matador suit, or has it caused traumatic amnesia? Anyway, I *like* the sunray suit, especially under its alternate title of "the Baryshnikov costume."< I meant the most outrageous garment in Dorian's wardrobe :-) Actually, the sunray suit is one of my favourites, especially in Sand, where he wears it without the jacket. It's one of the things which makes that episode watchable for me. As for the Matador suit - the thought that it went down with the ship makes Liberator's destruction a bit easier to bear. Marian

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