Blakes7 December 2001

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Re: [B7L] Mission to Destiny
by Ellynne G. 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:40:16 -0500 jacquispeel(a)netscape.net writes: > > No mention is made of him making restitution to the inhabitants of > Destiny for this 'wanton act of destruction' despite their being > fairly cash strapped at the time. No doubt he would have felt > morally obliged to do so - so would he have paid the equivalent sum, > or provided them with 'another spaceship of equal or better > quality'? (The rest of the crew would - probably - concur with > replacing what had been destroyed, even 'I am a man of my word' > (g).) > Being so cash strapped, I think they used a rental. Of course, the deposit was a lost cause, so they might have wanted reimbursement for that. Avon would have argued (the clause in the lease clearly said "said monies to be forfeit in case of damage or destruction of vehicle caused by (but not limited to) reckless driving, acts of nature, or one of the crew trying to murder you and selling out to pirates or other, unnamed thieves." They knew the risks when they signed it). Blake would have argued the ethics with Avon while Jenna recounted past smuggling adventures that might or might not resemble the current crisis. Cally, meanwhile, would have trotted off to the treasure room, got together something roughly worth the deposits and the watches of the survivors (Vila having found something to do while everyone argued), come back, handed it to them, and helped them off the ship, and left orbit while the argument still raged (it ended a few hours later when they ran into pursuit ships and Avon and Blake forgot all about it). Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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RE: Fwd: [B7L] And the winners are...
by jacquispeel＠netscape.net 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

"Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Lisa wrote: ><Just in case any of you are waiting breathlessly to hear the results of the >latest frame capture vote,> snip> Not a bad selection,> > >Actually a very good selection, mostly - was glad to see Spacefall and Duel >(another one with a very attractive surface :-)) in there, and Hostage means >there are only 3 left in S2 to pull in :-) Powerplay is pretty too (and I >like Klegg). > >But Kairos ... come on 'fess up, people. Was it the Manly Jarvik, or Brian >the Spider? > > One of the good things about 'Duel' is that Sinofer & Giroc's dilemma is #not# resolved by the passing argumenters. Jacqui -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: [B7L] Re: Blake bashing v. Avon worship
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Mel Saxby wrote: > As far as leadership goes, given he's so bad at it, I > do think it's a > tribute to his guts that he keeps going by S4, when > everything has fallen > apart around him so often, and it's a weight he's carrying > that he clearly > doesn't want. And yes, the rest of the crew, in both S3 and > S4, don't always > help to make the burden lighter. But he might have made his own life a > little less fraught if he'd tried a bit harder. He's > intelligent enough to > realise that, however he hates it, the position he's in means > he has to > accept or at least acknowledge a certain amount of > responsibility. But, as > you rightly point out, he never will - his own nature is too > much against > him. And if he allows himself to care, he knows he's likely > to get hurt > again, which is another dis-incentive. I've always thought that's exactly why he was so cruel to Vila in season 4. Vila was the last of the original crew, and Avon was trying to make himself not care about him, to really despise him so that it won't hurt if something happens to him; to drive Vila away. It mostly works; Avon's taunts are very nasty in comparison to other seasons, and Vila is no longer the resilient fun guy he was. You can see Avon very much *not* caring in 'Sand' when he sneers twice at Vila while he's near death. Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Re: Blake bashing v. Avon worship
by Mel Saxby 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Sally wrote: It's no *good* saying he ought to care about their welfare before his own or put the group first - that's like saying Vila ought to be honest, or Dayna ought to let the past go and, if not forgive, then forget where Servalan is concerned. He genuinely doesn't know how to, not for most of the human race, not even for most of the crew. That's what makes it the odd case where he does it by pure instinct so memorable. Perhaps I should have added, that by Headhunter, I'd forgiven him. They way he over-rides orac's sensible self-preservationist view to bring back Vila and Tarrant from the lifeless Scorpio always makes me sit up and take notice - furious with Orac, furious with himself for not listening to Orac, but still unwilling to have their deaths on his hands. As far as leadership goes, given he's so bad at it, I do think it's a tribute to his guts that he keeps going by S4, when everything has fallen apart around him so often, and it's a weight he's carrying that he clearly doesn't want. And yes, the rest of the crew, in both S3 and S4, don't always help to make the burden lighter. But he might have made his own life a little less fraught if he'd tried a bit harder. He's intelligent enough to realise that, however he hates it, the position he's in means he has to accept or at least acknowledge a certain amout of responsibility. But, as you rightly point out, he never will - his own nature is too much against him. And if he allows himself to care, he knows he's likely to get hurt again, which is another dis-incentive. Mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.303 / Virus Database: 164 - Release Date: 11/24/01

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RE: [B7L] Re: Orac (was Blake bashing versus Avon worship (long))
by Nicola Mody-Nikoloff 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Sally Manton wrote: > Nico suggested that Avon could have: > <used Orac, the most powerful computer in the galaxy (human-controlled > anyway) to hack into the Federation's IS systems and subvert them from > within.> > > Well, so could Blake have done :-) Actually, since canon > insists that [a] > Blake didn't, [b] neither did Avon, [c] nor did any of the > rest suggest it, > and [d] there was no sign that Servalan and the Federation > authorities were > worried that they *could* ... IMO there has to be some > reasonable reason why > Orac was incapable of it. > > Do our techie people have any suggestions here? Maybe Orac could only *read* other computers, not write to them. We see him getting data, but never planting it. Could he even send e-mails? Nico *** This e-mail is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. ***

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Re: Blake bashing versus Avon worship
by Mel Saxby 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Helen wrote: Also, there are those here and in other fan groups who will deny any virtue in Avon's saving the others in Horizon, as an example of one of his better moments his fans enjoy. Blake has a hundred moments of heroism; Avon has only a few here and there-- when they are denied, his fans feel cheated. Some of the more biazarre arguements against Blake may be an attempt to put the show on the other foot. Personally, I love that moment in Horizon, when Avon realises he doesn't want to fly off alone into the wild blue yonder after all. When he overcomes his self-centred nature and does the 'right thing' as it were, I want to cheer. I'd never knock him for his good points. Being selfless comes very hard to him, after all. I just wish he'd show them more often. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.303 / Virus Database: 164 - Release Date: 11/24/01

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Xmas at Hermit
by Judith Proctor 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

The Christmas tree lights have just been switched on at http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 and we've uploaded a batch of new stories to the Library. I've just added my 'Justice' trilogy. (I nearly didn't upload this one because I kept getting the urge to go back and rewrite the first part. I knew a hell of a lot more about writing by the time I reached part three...) We've also recently added index entries for stories by M. Fae Glasgow, Willa Shakespeare, and others. Richard tells me that the Library as a whole just passed the 50,000 stories downloaded mark. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '03 21-23 Feb 2003 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Re: [B7L] Blake Bashing versus Avon worship
by Rita d' Orac 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

--- "Sally Manton" <smanton(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Mel said: > <I've been over to Louise and Simon's newish forum a few times. A lot of > lively discussions seem to be taking place. But I've noticed a strong bias > towards Avon, at the expense of Blake.> > > and Dana: > <It's all a matter of perspective - *I* think that L&S contains much > unjustified Avon-bashing.> > > Actually, I've found it rather disconcerting to go to lists/forums other > than the Lyst and FC - there *is* a lot more of the (what I find) > old-fashioned bashing and swooning going on :-) Maybe it's because this is a > <ahem> more mature list, and a lot of the regular posters have been here for > some time and have been there, done that (or never wanted to ;-)) More mature list??!! Regular posters have been here for some time??? It makes no difference how long a particular list has been going or how mature it is as I think you will find that Blake's 7 fans have the same average age and average maturity regardless of which list they post to. The posts on Louise and Simon's discussion forum may well reflect opinions not tolerated on this list, but that says more about those list members who insist on clamping down on discussions they feel uncomfortable with or regard as trivial than the overall maturity of the list.... in my opinion of course. > It *is* > very unusual to find Avon being scarified in a non-fictional sense ... but > Blake (along with Tarrant) *does* still draw the bulk of the unreasoned > battering (sorry Dana, but from the POV of someone who adores 'em both ...). ===== rita d'orac "If you think of this mouse as a space captain..." http://www.vilaworld.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Blooper in 'SLD' & speed in 'Stardrive'
by Jurgen van de Sanden 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Hi all, Does anybody have the blooper from the episode 'Seek-Locate-Destroy' featuring Jacqueline Pearce and Stephen Greif on tape? I'd love to have a copy. I know most of you don't like 'Stardrive' (Una perhaps?), but I have a question about this episode. What does the term 'Real Time' that Vila, Dayna and Atlan mention really mean? It seems as though the inclusion of 'Real Time' makes Time Distort speed closer to that of the Liberator. Anybody got any ideas? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Fwd: [B7L] And the winners are...
by Sally Manton 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Lisa wrote: <Just in case any of you are waiting breathlessly to hear the results of the latest frame capture vote,> snip> Not a bad selection,> Actually a very good selection, mostly - was glad to see Spacefall and Duel (another one with a very attractive surface :-)) in there, and Hostage means there are only 3 left in S2 to pull in :-) Powerplay is pretty too (and I like Klegg). But Kairos ... come on 'fess up, people. Was it the Manly Jarvik, or Brian the Spider? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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